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[ret5hd]

1. 7) Is getting my haircut worth the risk of dying?

[Alex4Martinez]

3. +1

It's that simple.

[CTyankee]

4. Or do I leave my house for any reason short of medical emergency or fire?

Yes, I get that because I could end my life by leaving my house at all (except for walks in the woods, avoiding any other walkers).

I am serious, not kidding. I don't go to the supermarket and the person who goes for us is gloved and masked and does not enter our house (and all groceries are unloaded from the floor). Packages wiped.

[iemitsu]

10. When you go for a walk in the woods be sure to leave the shoes you

wore on the porch.
I'm not going anywhere either.

[LeftInTX]

23. Even the safest haircut is much riskier than a trip to the supermarket.

I'm not getting mine cut for quite awhile. Salons opened on Friday.

I have been to the store numerous times. You cannot maintain distance in a hair salon. It's impossible.

[LanternWaste]

65. 7.1 Is getting out of bed each morning worth that same risk?

Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

Point being, when we rely on ablative absolutes (in common parlance, bumper stickers masquerading as a valid premise, such as yours), we allow the hobgoblin of little minds to fester far more quickly than a a virus.

[ret5hd]

74. Go ahead. The risk of unnecessary contact in the midst of a pandemic is not...

worth it to me. I am not a very vain person. I haven't shaved in over two weeks. Nobody cares, even me. A haircut is just almost on bottom of my priority list...my last was almost a year ago. Your priority list may differ. Haircut? Dinner out? Movie? Protest? All different levels of risk, all unimportant to me, maybe important to you.

I can tell you what is higher on my priority list. I will soon be going to a National Forest for a month of dispersed camping. I would be doing that whether there was a pandemic or not. I will need to stop for fuel (twice there, twice back...one unnecessary risk). I will need to pack a months worth of food (most of it I already have, but I will make an extra trip to the grocery store...another risk). Most water will be filtered on-site, but there is still a slight risk of water borne illness. I will be hiking, so I guess there is a risk of fall/injury.

Those risks I am willing to take. Others priorities are different.

But really, don't you ask yourself the same question when you think of a haircut? Or a dinner? Or a movie? Yeah, I thought so.

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. 8) do I actually look better in a ponytail?

[CTyankee]

8. I am 80 years old and gray. I would shave my head but I would scare myself.

If I can keep this small business owner who overcame serious alcoholism and who cuts my hair sensibly in business, and I can safely utilize his business, I would like to.

Otherwise, I stay home.

[TheCowsCameHome]

15. Then send him a check, wrap your hair in a bun or ponytail,

enjoy your "new look", and wait until it is completely safe to get that close to others again.

[Celerity]

39. I am very much data driven, and have shown the extraordinarily low death rates

in both the US and here in Sweden FOR THE YOUNGER AGE COHORTS. I toss that out to show you how serious I am when I say you, at 80 years old, are at MASSIVE risk.

My wife and I both are born in 1996, we just found out (via the brand new Roche antibody test that is 100% accurate if it shows antibodies) are antibody positive, so we were exposed despite being some of the very, very few people our age here that we know who self quarantined. We were (we have broken self-isolation now) very careful for almost 3 months, and still caught it (we had zero symptoms, no negative impact at all, we had no clue we even had caught the virus.)

That said,

80 years old and up people are at extremely significant chance of death should you catch it.

80 years of age and up people have accounted for around two thirds (the actual number is a tad over 65%) of all the deaths here in Sweden,

Almost 99% of all deaths in Sweden have been 50 year olds and up, 95% of the COVID-19 deaths here are over 60yo, 88% have been over 70 years of age.

In the US, 99.2% of all US CDC documented COVID deaths have come from the 35 years of age and over cohort

97.3% of all US CDC documented COVID deaths have come from the 45 years of age and over cohort

92.2% from the 55 years of age and over cohort.

Almost 60% of US COVID-19 deaths have come from the 75yo and up age cohorts.

I would NOT risk that dice roll if I were you.

I hope this helps.

STAY SAFE!!

[CTyankee]

49. Thank you for the data. I am very much impressed with good data and you have persuaded me

that this is a bad risk, all things considred.

[Celerity]

54. it is a very poor risk/reward ratio, IMHO, and I suffered myself with hair issues for ages during

self-isolation (I am a part-black multiracial female, with pretty kinky hair when it is left to its own devices, lol) but I got through it. My wife helped a bit at first (she had zero issues, she has pretty short blonde hair, no dye jobs needed), but I just finally took clippers and shaved it very short, so I looked a right proper butch (which I so am NOT, lolololol). Hair is never worth your life, that seems to be a good maxim to thrive by.

good luck!

hugz,

Cel <3

[CTyankee]

58. I really don't much care about my hair. And I don't mind being in. I am writing another book and

have been bearing down on that lately -- maybe too much, I feel I need a break from it, all my research papers strewn around. It's enough, damnit.

[Celerity]

59. what is the subject matter of the book?

Writing is so cathartic and invigourating, at least that what I tell myself when I am bogged down in reports or my post grad work, lolol.

[CTyankee]

62. The relationship of art and music all throughout Western art since pre-Renaissance times...

including the album cover art of the 70s and 80s in the U.S.

I must say,, I've learned an awful lot about lutes...(beautiful instruments, no wonder artists loved painting them!).

[Celerity]

70. I hope you include some attention to Dadaism and the musical avant garde

a couple links to peruse



https://www.ltmrecordings.com/festival_dada_paris_ltmcd2513.html

Various Festival Paris Dada [LTMCD 2513]
A unique anthology of piano music linked to the Dada art movement in Paris between 1920 and 1923, Festival Dada Paris is based on the piano repertoire performed at two landmark Dada happenings staged in Paris. The first was the Festival Dada on 26 May 1920, and the second the infamous Soirée du Coeur â Barbe on 6 July 1923 - an event disrupted by violent confrontation between Tristan Tzara's Dada faction and the Surrealist vanguard lead by André Breton.

https://ir.uiowa.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1334&context=dadasur

from https://ir.uiowa.edu/dadasur/

Songs, Anti-Symphonies and Sodomist Music: Dadaist Music in Zurich, Berlin and Paris

Paul Ingram
Birkbeck College, University of London

[CTyankee]

95. I will certainly look at this! Dada is a fabulous art movement, albeit short, and very important

for early 20th century music (where I have an entire section devoted to that era).

Thank you for this and the scholarship behind it. Important inclusion.

A plus!

[Blue_true]

89. Give him a call and see what practices he is following.

At your age, the risk profile is pretty significant.

[FreeState]

5. Is the air conditioning turned off and no fans allowed?

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-0764_article

[CTyankee]

9. good point. Thank you for your helpful advice.

[Takket]

45. that isn't a good point..........

apologies to the person who posted that to you, but this is not accurate.

You don't want the virus to be lingering in stagnate air. The more air changes per hour a room has, the cleaner it is. Hint: Do you think hospitals turn off ventilation systems to stop virus spread?

Yes the A/C system cited in the article linked caused problems but the reason was it was mounted on the wall and blowing horizontally across the room, and the unit just recirculated the air in the room (I.e. there was no fresh air brought in from outdoors).

If the salon has a central A/C system (I.e. you see air vents in the ceiling and not actual blower units on the walls), you will be fine. if you see blower units or window mounted residential type air conditioners, i would be worried about that.

[CTyankee]

50. Ah, I see what you mean. Thank you for the clarification.

[Skittles]

6. if my hairdresser is opened this month

I will stop by and give her money for a haircut but decline to receive the haircut. Yup.

[Nictuku]

18. Bless You!!

Bless you Skittles. That was the answer I was looking for, and you have rekindled my faith in humanity.

... this was the only response who seemed to consider the hairdresser. I imagine that he/she would rather not have to open and take customers, but hairdressers generally do not have insurance. They do not have retirement (believe me, I know this). Their kind of work can not be done remotely. They can not telework. The ONLY reason they would be open to the public is because they are desperate for the money (or an idiot Trump supporter)

I know this because my mother is a cosmetologist, and she lives with me. She is retired (but still does my hair). She has no pension, no savings, and no other income other than social security (but she does have me, her loving daughter who pays the mortgage and all the other bills).... I digress.

She is retired, but she is the only hairdresser I have ever had (I'm lucky, she is very good, even now. She studied at Vidal Sassoon many years ago), however, during this Covid-19 situation (where I get to work from home), I would not even consider having her cut my hair. We are not even hugging each other, not even today, Mother's day. Why? Because she is 78 and Diabetic, and I do have to go to town every couple of weeks for groceries/pharmacy or other necessities, and so there is a small chance that I have been exposed and have brought it home.


(edited for typo)

[JI7]

78. +

[luvs2sing]

7. Here is what my salon is doing..

The first 3-4 weeks they will be limiting the number of clients in the salon as well as time spent in the salon. Stations are spaced farther apart, and not all stations will be used to further minimize contact.

- When you arrive for your appointment time, call the salon, and they will alert you once it is your time to enter.

- Leave purses or other bags in car. No guests or children can accompany the client.

- If you are a senior or a high risk citizen, they are recomending Monday Mornings.

- Everyone entering the salon has to do a temprature check, including Staff.

- Everyone including staff, will be required to wear a mask. If you do not have a mask you will be DECLINED service.

-Touch-less greetings and goodbyes, No hugs or handshakes.

-color shampooing only. Please come in with freshly shampooed hair.

- NO blow drys. They are not thrilled about this expectation, but they are concered about germs spreading.

My stylist, who I have been with almost twenty years, called me the other night. After all this time, we have become friends, and I trust his judgment asl well as the salon owner’s judgment. He said he felt comfortable returning to work with these conditions in place. I scheduled for a haircut on May 29. We will see what happens.

[CTyankee]

12. Excellent checklist. Thank you very much.

[dsc]

26. I have an appointment on 23 March if we move to phase 2

I trust him but will be asking him when it gets closer just what precautions he is taking.

[Skittles]

83. ten months is a long time to wait

[dsc]

87. sorry mean 23 May

[womanofthehills]

92. Just because he is taking precautions in his shop...

You don’t know if he is socializing with friends or wearing a mask or taking risks when he is not in his shop. My friends and I have visited by sitting 20 ft apart outside in each other’s yards. I Haven’t been to a hair salon in 25 yrs - not my thing. My hair is thick and curly so I can get away with cutting it myself. Videos online. My dentist sent me a card to make an apt for a cleaning - just the fact that he would do that during a pandemic makes me not trust him.

[dem4decades]

11. I've gone to the Kenny Rodgers look, on my way to Willie Nelson.

By Christmas i'll be Santa. It is what it is.

[SCantiGOP]

25. I'm in between

Jerry Garcia and Rasputin.
But I was already mid-60s hippie length before any of this started.

[brewens]

33. My tentative plan is to get my hair cut the day after we throw Trump out.

I suspect it's not going to seem safe by then though. A woman I used to work with at the blood center I'm retired from cuts hair on the side, but the Supercuts she works at is shut down. I'm thinking that if she draws me after the election, since we're already exposed to each other, I might offer her $30 bucks or so to come over to my place and do it. She already offered to do that a couple years ago to make a little on the side.

[jimfields33]

13. Don't go

One air borne spittle and you can get it. Is hair worth it?

[CTyankee]

16. Do you have a metric for your own situation?

What is your metric for deciding when to go out yourself, based on what you have just stated here "One air borne spittle and you can get it"?

[Drunken Irishman]

24. My metric is to limit as much face-to-face interaction as possible.

I order my groceries online.

I don't go inside the gas station.

If I want to order out, I use Grubhub or other delivery services with no-contact delivery.

On top of all that, I wash down the stuff I bring into the house (even mail) with wipes.

As for deciding when to go out and get something that could potentially put me at a higher risk (hair cutting, going into a smaller building with larger crowds), I am going to take the wait and see approach. If everything reopens in the next month, and we don't see a massive spike, I may feel better - but I'm going to let the process play out because I suspect we're going to see quite the spike and if I don't have to be one of those who adds to the spike, I will do everything to make sure I am not.

[jimfields33]

28. We are not even at 10 percent testing across the country

Even DU has changed in one week from the negativity to Georgia to let’s all go get our hair done. What the hell changed???

[CTyankee]

41. and when do you plan to "go out and get my ___ done"?

[jimfields33]

60. When it's safe. I can't believe this.

Are we going to demand openings? Seriously in one week all’s well?

[LanternWaste]

66. Your response seems rather shrill and overly-emotional relative to the sincerity of the question.

Calm down, Cool Breeze.

[jimfields33]

68. I will

But things sure changed around here in one week.

[Ms. Toad]

40. I'm not the person who made the comment - but I feel the same way.

I make my decisions about going out the same way I make all health care decisions - because ging out right now is a health care decision.

How significant is the risk (death, permanent injury ranks pretty high)
How likely is the risk to materialize (single brief socially distanced encounter - remote; single, up front and personal, longer encounter - higher; large crowd - even higher)
If the risk materializes, what is the likely impact on me (older than 60, diabetes, but under control, Vitamin D normal, generally a quick recovery from injury/illness - every doctor has commented on it in my last 4 post-diabetes significant medical encounters (breast cancer, removal of a rib x 2, and a spiral leg fracture that was surgically repaired); two family members I live with who are more at risk; I'm not likely to infect my 80+ parents since I wont' see them)
How important it the thing I want to do (haircut - meh - my last haircut was nearly 3 years ago; but food or medicine - pretty darn important)

And (not something I'd consider in a purely medical situation) - are there other considerations I can address in a less risky manner - can I engage the service in a less risky air; can I support the service without receiving anything; bigger tip; etc.)

For me, personally, the above mean I've been out twice since ~March 6, each time for essentials (including stopping at my place of employment for things I needed to do my job at home - combined with a trip for food or meds). Haircuts would be a no-go, at this stage.

[CTyankee]

46. I was getting a bit antsy about my toenails growing uncomforably up against my shoes so I was

able to go to a podiatrist (who was gloved and masked and in a sterile, medical setting) for that. Food trips would invariably involve many more people.

The hair thing doesn't mean that much to me. I think it is a stand in for "life as normal I can get it safely."

And what I am talking about is after CT is opened, if it is opened (not sure it will happen).

[Ms. Toad]

47. It will open eventually -

and that's the way my grandmother (who lived through the 1918 pandemic) handled her toenails when my mother wasn't available.

It's hard. My parents (in their 80s) are in an extended care community that has been split into three communities as a result of the pandemic. They have no cases so far - but my parents (still living independently within the community) are cut off from friends they were encouraged to help care for - and my mother is cut off from swimming (a lifeline for her). We haven't seen them since the end of February (just before Kendal closed the campus). My father has stopped talking about when this passes, and has resigned himself to living with this threat fort the rest of his life.

On the bright side, they let my mother return to campus after an eye injection (the nearly immediate rule was if you leave campus you can't come back). So she is happy for a teeny tiny bit of freedom.

It's maybe a new normal - but do you have folks you can zoom-chat with?

[Demsrule86]

51. My nail salon is very good ...doing the social distincing and masked gloved etc...

They are only letting in a few at a time...I made an appt...can't do my own nails easily...and it costs a fortune with my insurance for a podiatrist ...and I don't want to go near the Cleveland clinic right now .

[CTyankee]

55. our nail salons aren't opening just yet. Hair first.

I don't know the reasoning for that but since my podiatrist takes Medicare I am covered.

[Demsrule86]

61. Nice. I have been doing my own hair but boy I do need some work...we shall see.

[CTyankee]

63. I don't pay attention to my hair much. I like the gray and I kinda wish I had more gray...I use

purple shampoo and conditioner (I call it my Purple Nurple) to keep it from yellowing. Then I just comb it out and let it air dry.

[Demsrule86]

82. I don't have grey but I put highlights and such in my hair.

[sheshe2]

14. Hey, CT.

I don't know how to advise you.

For me I don't want someone that close to me breathing in my face. I have no clue what their social distancing has been. I don't get that close to my own family that is doing all they can to protect themselves. I am also doing homecare for a 93 year old. It is not worth the risk, at least not for me.

[Drunken Irishman]

19. That's the risk - plus, you don't know what the social distancing has been for their other clients.

All it takes is for this person to cut the hair of someone who is infected and there's a good chance the virus will be passed on, even with these precautions, because of the close proximity, the fact it's not a quick interaction and the fact face masks only cut down on the risk, not eliminate it.

If this hairdresser sees 10 clients a day, at minimum, that's 50 in a week - you've got to decide if you're okay with that amount of people coming into contact with someone who'll be very close to you.

[tblue37]

36. Remember during the first years of the AIDS epidemic, when we were warned that we would

he essentially having sex with anyone our sexual partner had had sex with?

Not a bad principle to keep in mind with cv-19.

[AirmensMom]

64. That's exactly what I've been saying.

I hear my family whining about needing haircuts, going stir crazy, etc. I just don't get it. I'm sending my hairdresser a check every month until we can go back, but I won't go back until it's a whole lot safer than it is now. And how can I wear a mask while she's cutting my hair? How can she be 6 feet away from me? I do consider how busy she's been since she went back to work last week and can't even imagine the number of people. Just like with AIDS, I'd be in contact with everyone she's been in contact with. No thanks. I might look ragged, but at least I'm not sick yet.

[tblue37]

75. Besides, who's gonna see me? nt

[AirmensMom]

76. There is that.

[sheshe2]

38. I can't risk my mother.

I won't risk others. My niece is also an ICU nurse working with limited PPE. I have seen her a few times from a distance, she shops for us when she can. No one other than my sister and I are allowed in the house.

Stay safe, DI.

[womanofthehills]

93. Agree - so my Republican cousin tells me his barber is seeing clients in his home

So my cousin calls to get an apt and it takes the guy 5 days to get back to him because he caught the virus from a client and just got out of the hospital.

[CTyankee]

27. I guess it depends on one's own level of personal safety.

For instance, has your 93 year old client come into contact with anyone else? I assume you take care of her/his laundry and cleaning (we have a homecare person also every other week -- she works for a nonprofit, licensed agency devoted to getting homecare (nonmedical) to elderly people.). Are we lulled into a false sense of security since it is (in home not out)?

[sheshe2]

48. The 'client' is my mother.

My sister and I have been doing homecare for her for over two years now. She has not left the house in over 18 months. Since early March when the shit hit the fan we let go all hospice and home care aides go. We could not take the chance of her being infected. Since March, no one and I mean no one including family have been allowed in the house. My sister and I are 24/7 homecare for her. We are the front line now. There is no one else.

Home Care Agencies And Workers Are The Next Ground Zero For COVID-19

https://www.forbes.com/sites/howardgleckman/2020/04/16/home-care-agencies-and-workers-are-the-next-ground-zero-for-covid-19/#40bb6d236f05

Nursing homes and other senior living facilities are not the only places where COVID-19 is creating a health care crisis for frail older adults and their care providers. The other setting at risk: private homes, where the vast majority of older adults get both personal and post-acute care. And the pandemic is creating enormous challenges for those seniors, their families, and the workers and home care agencies that provide those critical services.

snip

The plight of these home care agencies threatens to ripple through the health system. It limits their ability to provide care at home for many COVID-19 patients who have been discharged from the hospital—a potentially safer alternative than skilled nursing facilities. It makes it harder to rehab non-COVID patients at home. And it reduces the supply of paid support for the 85 percent of frail older adults with chronic illness already getting their care at home.

These firms may be struggling even more than nursing homes to find personal protective equipment for their staffs. They have too few coronavirus test kits for either staff or clients. Many are reporting high rates of staff absenteeism. Some staff are sick with COVID-19. Others fear they will become sick. And many are staying home to care for their children whose schools are closed.

[Drunken Irishman]

17. None of these precautions matter.

If they have it, or one of their clients has it, it's very possible they spread it regardless of all the precautions.

The precautions make it HARDER to pass it - but if you're getting your hair cut, with their face likely close to yours, for at least 20+ minutes, there's a good chance it will be passed to you.

So, the question you should be asking: is getting my hair cut worth the potential of getting COVID?

[CTyankee]

31. thank you. that makes sense, except for the face thing. Why do we wear face masks anyway if

such risks are immanent?

[Drunken Irishman]

35. Face masks can limit its spread...

But it's not a guarantee to stop the spread. Especially if you're in close contact with a person for a significant amount of time.

Let's say the person doing your hair turns out to be positive. It's possible those precautions are enough to not allow for transmission.

But it's certainly not a guarantee.

From my perspective, even if transmission was 10%, that's still fairly high and not what I'd want to risk just to get my hair cut.

[Ms. Toad]

44. Ohio's doctor Acton puts it this way:

It's like layering swiss cheese.

Social distancing is helpful - but that layer has holes because even 6' is not necessarily safe because of lingering droplets & surfaces
Exposure to smaller crowds is helpful, but because even smaller crowds can include infected people that's another layer with a hole
Fewer exposures are helpful - so limit the number of times you to out - but each time is a potential exposure, so that's another layer with a hole
Masks help - but those (literally) are one or more layers with holes.

But when you layer each of these on top of each other, the holes aren't likely to line up - making it harder for the virus to reach you.

Each layer you remove (like removing the social distancing inherent in personal services) makes it more likely the holes will line up an the virus will find its way through to you.

[uponit7771]

72. +1

[essme]

53. Mine is in a shop by herself

I am going with wet, washed hair, and just getting a cut. No blow-dry, style...nothing. I'll pay her for the works, but I want in and out fast.

I can do my own color (temporary-- Clairol Mousy Brown #6), root touch up, etc.

[Drunken Irishman]

56. So, she only sees you?

[LanternWaste]

69. Biased inferences illustrate little...

other than our own biases.

[Drunken Irishman]

73. lol

It doesn't matter if they run their salon out of their bathroom and only can fit one person in at a time. If the hairdresser sees 10+ people a day for a week, she's coming into contact with 50ish people, which raises the potential of coming into contact with someone who's positive. Pointing out that she only will have one person in her area at a time is not a sufficient enough way to limit exposure options when multiple people will be coming into that area per day.

[uponit7771]

71. +1, Time + distance + space + ventilation in this is not good.

[True Blue American]

20. I had a hair cut

And finish last Thursday. Take your temperature, one person allowed at a time.

Shop was all sanitized, washed my hair without getting my mask wet. The rules are very strict.

I also used my sanitizer when I left.

[Squinch]

21. It just really isn't worth your life.

You're 80. If you get sick, your odds are awful.

Please, just don't do it. Buy a gift certificate to give to a friend for Christmas so the salon gets the money and have them mail it to you.

[CTyankee]

34. Would you say the same about home aides for elderly clients?

We need laundry done and house cleaning bimonthly. Our worker is sent by a nonprofit agency for the elderly living at home. thank god we never went into assisted living!

[Squinch]

37. Are your aides well trained? Do you see them practicing

the correct preventative measures? Washing hands on entering, removing shoes, not sitting on upholstered furniture, wiping down any surfaces they have sat on with disinfectant. Keeping any of their personal possessions sequestered near the front door in a spot that you can disinfect when they leave.

You mask, the aide masks, stay in different rooms, make sure they use disinfecting cleaning products.

I'd love to see them put on some kind of long sleeved smock you know is clean when they enter your home, too.

Those measures should do it.

The problem with the salon is you can't maintain distance, and you don't have control over the surfaces that you have to touch.

[Skittles]

85. some services are necessary

haircut? not so much

[BigmanPigman]

22. A combo of the above replies is my advice...

Is your hair worth the risk of dying?

You said you don't really need the haircut but are doing it to support the business of an acquaintance. Pay her for a haircut via the mail but do not go and get a cut, a friend would understand and be grateful.

[SCantiGOP]

30. Next week

We re-open the kissing booth at the State Fair.

[Tenngal]

29. Active cases.

How many active cases in your neighborhood? That is what I think about before going somewhere.

[Squinch]

32. You don't know how many active cases there are in your neighborhood.

No one does.

[ProfessorGAC]

52. We Can Find Out Positive Tests by Zipcode Here In IL

You're correct in that nobody knows the cases in their neighborhood.
Here in IL, the department of public health website updates daily.
If deaths are <5, the chart shows N/A.
Now, I live in a city of 5700, with the zip having about 7,500. Of course, I know nowhere close to 7,500 other people.
So if I see 7 cases, (we live almost dead center of town), those people are somewhere a mile to a mile in a half in all directions. Not exactly our "neighborhood"!
And, there's no way to know how many infections exist, symptomatic or asymptomatic, if those people haven't been tested.
Not even sure it's reasonable to extrapolate from state figures, because we have no high rises, no large apartment building complexes, no mass transit. But, we're not the very low population density of central or southern Illinois.
Any number I tried to come up with would be a guess, than to granulate to our neighborhood would be a terrible guess!

[edhopper]

42. You can wait another month or so to see how things

shake out.

Not worth the risk.

Another option is to have someone come to your home.

[Baclava]

43. No vanity trips for me in times like these, I'll be a hippie again first! lol

[Politicub]

57. I bought a can of Aquanet. I'm just keeping my hair from

failing in front of my eyes. While Georgia is allowing haircuts, it is not an essential service for me.

[hlthe2b]

67. I wouldn't do it. That said, are all clients required to mask and disinfect hands upon entering?

Do they require clients to leave all large bags, packages, and other potentially contaminated items out in the car rather than bringing inside with them? Do they question clients for a full range of symptoms the day the appointment is made AND again when they arrive for the appointment and exclude those with compatible symptoms from entering? Is there cross-ventilation set up in the facility (could be anything from a standing fan forcing air back out an open window or door to keep air from stagnating/concentrating)? Can you wash your hair ahead of time so that they can merely wet it down to make for a quick hair cut? If the latter is possible, can they cut your hair while sitting outside?

My biggest fear for a cause of death is suffocation. I have no problem doing WHATEVER I have to do, no matter how inconvenient to lower my risk of ending up on a ventilator and facing my worst nightmare. I am a HCW and I can not avoid some of these exposures, but I sure as hell would not add to them.

Good luck.

[sueunderh]

77. I wouldn't chance it!

My hair looks like crap. I will soon find out just how much grey I have. Lots! Even though I am in Maine, a low infection state, I live in Cumberland County, which has community spread. I just don't think it's worth it. I guess I will see how things are in a couple of months. Meanwhile, I may be cutting my own bangs soon. 😋

[JI7]

79. Buy a gift card/certificate or any products they might be selling at the salon

but don't get the cut

[WhiteTara]

80. I hear the virus ponytail will be

a badge of honor for staying home. I'm personally staying home, I mean, really, who's going to see me?

[Marrah_Goodman]

81. I would tell my mother, who is 86 and in excellent health..

... That it is just not worth taking the chance. I would rather see her without her hair just so, then not see her at all.

We are in Mass, with high percentages on deaths, just like Conn.

[LiberalArkie]

84. Just dress appropriately

[phylny]

86. I am going in Virginia on Saturday. It's by appointment with distance from other customers.

Everyone has to wear a mask.

I've already decided to arrive with a wet head, wear my mask, wear my gloves, get my hair cut, and walk out. I'll pay her for shampoo, cut, and blow dry, but I'm going to minimize the airflow, etc. and just get it cut.

ETA: I like the idea of my own cape, and will get one.

[womanofthehills]

94. Not one of my friends would risk getting a hair cut - so

It would be safe to assume that those risking getting their hair cut are probably taking other risks making the risk greater.

[OhioChick]

88. Ventilation and goggles to begin with...

Stay home and cut your hair like everyone else.

We are in a pandemic, your health should be more important than your hair.

[Meowmee]

90. How about masks and gloves? And goggles etc.

I went through a period where I cut my own hair for about eight months so I think I’m just gonna do that until I get a vaccine. Although I think I am now finally at the end of covid pneumonia, I don’t think I’m even going to trust that to protect me at this point for sure.

When I did start going back to a hairdresser again she said she could not tell that I had been cutting it myself LOL.

[LAS14]

91. How many other customers come and go in that enclosed space?

If you wait long enough, guaranteed you can wear a pony tail.

[clutterbox1830]

96. Oddly enough. I have gotten used to cutting my own hair.

I actually look forward to do it now since I'm not afraid to experiment. I even cut my dad's hair and found it quite fun.