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How bad do the science-deniers, the selfish ones, impact the whole? Lets do a little math.
South Korean super-spreader
A 29-year old South Korean man went to 3 bars in one night in Seoul and is so far linked to 54 new infections. Eleven of those 54 cases were secondary, so what is known is that ONE man in ONE evening passed it to 54-11 = 43 cases.
But South Korean contact tracers have so far been able to contact only 637 out of 1,940 people present at the bars that evening, so actual infections could be significantly higher.
Ro number
We need an R0 number (average number of people to whom an infect person passes the virus) of less than 1.0, to make the epidemic decline and end.
If everyone who caught the virus spreads it to exactly one person, daily new cases would remain flat (R0 = 1).
->Impact of loving and caring behavior. If 30% of infected people are much more careful and manage to avoid giving it to ANYONE, not even a partner or family member that lives with them, then R0 would drop to 0.7, and the epidemic would decline rapidly.
->Impact of reckless or selfish behavior. If 30% of infected people ignore the experts if they jumped in with the anti-lockdown propaganda, believed the this is just like the flu statements from the president, parrot the Democrats and the media made it up to tear down the president messaging, the Plandemic/billionaires did this to us conspiracy theories, the God will protect me in a crowded church magical thinking what is the impact?
To repeat: Just one person was able to spread it to 43 people in a couple of hours. They wont all be super-spreaders but some will be. So as an example, if 29% spread it to 4 people and 1% spreads it to 43 people, then R0 becomes 29%x4 + 1%x43 + 70%x1 = 2.29. If transmission occurs on the 6th day on average, we are looking at new cases going up by a factor of 60 every month.
How Many Responsible People Offset One Irresponsible One?
It takes ALOT of people not transmitting to overcome ONE super-spreader. If 96 people are super-responsible loners and have ZERO transmissions but 4 are irresponsible outgoing super-spreaders, we still have a growing epidemic. (96x0 + 4x43=172 new infections)
The above numbers need to be adjusted if and when existing immunity becomes a significant factor, but were a long way from that. The point is, if someone in this world is intent on killing off the old or weak or unlucky, they dont have to convince a lot of people to go stand at a crowded protest shouting, or convince alot of prosperity-gospel preachers to hold their Sunday services in defiance of state rules. A small number can easily undermine the efforts of a very large number of people who trust the experts.
Hugin
(33,059 posts)Is that people believe that infection acts like radiation, when it's more like a minefield.
Radiation is typically negligible when the active source is removed after a period of time has elapsed. However, with biological agents, even after the active source has left the area, there are active contagions remaining in the area for an indefinite period. (studies have shown up to 72 hrs for this virus, but, that could be quite a bit longer) Unless, these contagions are destroyed or removed from the area occupied by the active source by cleaning and sanitizing. Any of these active contagions can infect a host and create a whole new active source.
Not radiation, minefield.
Bernardo de La Paz
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lostnfound
(16,162 posts)Miguelito Loveless
(4,457 posts)We do practically no testing or contact tracing, so what you do know, cant hurt. And if it does, Red governors will simply not report the infections or deaths.