I'm sorry, but we are NOT "all in this together" and I am getting pretty tired of hearing

[Atticus]

that we are. It would be great if that was true, but it's not.

Some of us are staying at home as much as possible, avoiding unnecessary contact with others and wearing a mask and gloves if we must go out to shop or seek medical care. But some of us are behaving like spoiled brats who insist on staying up past bedtime, having cake and ice cream for dinner and throwing a hissy fit when they can't have their way.

These belligerent children insist that getting their hair cut or their nails done is their Constitutional right and that NO ONE has the authority to make them wear a mask or practice social distancing as they scream and waive their misspelled signs outside state capitols. And, as if their self-centered ignorance was not shameful enough, some of them actually dress up like GI JOE, complete with camouflage fatigues and assault rifles. These Rambo wannabes are not "in this" WITH anyone. They are "in this" FOR themselves.

So, the PSAs and product commercials and pundit promos that keep assuring us that "we're all in this together" are only demonstrating how shallow and mindless they believe we are.

They can stuff it.

[Bradshaw3]

1. K&R

Preach! Fuck these people who deny and flout and don't fucking care. They don't get to be part of "all in this together" bullshit. So quit with the BS promos.

[LizBeth]

2. I don't get the gloves. Any virus that is on hand is on glove and shared. I do wear mask and glasses

[Atticus]

5. I wear gloves to pump gas and to swipe my credit card through the pay slot used by

who knows how many unknown people before me. The card then goes into a clean envelope---NOT back into my wallet---until it can be wiped down with sanitizer at home. I would also wear gloves when entering any building or shopping.

All it takes is touching one door or shopping cart or product that was recently touched or coughed on by an infected person and you could have Corona virus on your hand. One moment of forgetfulness when you scratch your nose or wipe an eye and you could be a new statistic.

[LizBeth]

11. I have soon now been conditioned to be out, use hands, walk in house and disinfect everything

brought into house and not touching face. The not touching face was something when I first started. Was touching all the time. But I do see what you all are talking with gloves. Thanks for your use.

[calimary]

32. I keep little bottles of hand sanitizer in the car, in the side pockets of both front seats.

And I make full use of them. Plus wearing a mask whenever we go out, as infrequently as that is. I keep a mask in a ziplock bag in my purse, so I'll have it with me whenever.

[LizBeth]

41. I would easily do that but the few times I get out the last couple months, there has not been any.

[calimary]

47. I lucked out - just happened to stock up on little bottles

for car and travel and guests - last year. And I still have some.

[LizBeth]

48. +1

[druidity33]

50. I've been using a paper lunchbag...

Apparently paper is the material that CV "disappears" quickest on...

[barbtries]

20. and the gloves are tossed after each possible exposure. nt

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

34. Remind me again how many people have been infected

by ATM machines? Or gas pump handles? Or shopping carts?

[Atticus]

36. So, because we don't know the number, no one was so infected? nt

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

37. If people were getting infected that way, it

would be pretty obvious by now. So far as we can tell the only way to get infected is by the virus being airborne. A big deal is made out of the fact that the virus can be detected on various surfaces some hours or even days after landing there, which is not at all the same is it can infect someone.

So, I'm going with no one has gotten infected this way.

[Atticus]

44. You are seriously misinformed. WebMd is an authoritative source. Consider this:

https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus-transmission-overview

[Caliman73]

6. Masks can protect you or others. Glasses protect you. Gloves protect you.

I get into my car from my home. My home is clean and my car is clean. I have a bag of disposable gloves in my car. I put the gloves on and go where I need to go. I touch things and am careful not to touch my face or clothing, etc... Before I get my keys and get back into my car, I take off my gloves turning them inside out and putting one inside the other. My hands have been protected from picking up any virus from contact.

Nothing is 100% but that is a way that gloves can be protective.

[LizBeth]

9. This works for me. Thanks for the clarity. I get back in car and though careful, using sleeve,

I still wipe fingers aggressively on bottom of pants, because steering wheel. Not absolute. But if it can go on a finger, it can rub off on bottom of pants. But, I would so use the gloves for what you are saying.

[Silver Gaia]

15. I do the same.

The only difference is that I have a small stash of Clorox wipes I bought in February (foresight... wish I'd bought more), and I keep one in my gloved hand and another in a ziploc whenever I go into a store. I try to get curbside or home delivery whenever I can. I already wear glasses and wear a mask as well. I cover my hair, and arms and legs, too. When I get home, I strip my clothes off in the garage, put them in the washer, and run for the shower.

[LizBeth]

18. I can't even get hydro peroxide I need for mouth. I wish I had bought gloves or wipes. Not finding

them now, or the last couple months.

[Silver Gaia]

24. I was able to order some hydrogen peroxide from Target and have it shipped to my home for free.

I was doing daily searches of every place I could think of where I might be able to order it online... Amazon (they do have some right now, just not cheap), Target, Walmart, etc., and finally found some at Target (they are out again). I can't find 70% isopropyl alcohol, though, and I'm almost out. Keep trying!

Another thing I did was use Instacart's search feature to search lots of local stores. Even if you don't want to use their delivery service, the app is great to use for searches. It will hold your search info indefinitely, so it makes it easy to have a quick search list of things you are looking for and access to inventories at most local stores.

Good luck!

[LizBeth]

25. I was able to get a small bottle of alcohol cause the stocker happened to have box on cart.

He came chasing after me that was so cute. I couldn't buy the hydro on line or alcohol, they say it has to be store bought. I have to order a microwave to be delivered so I will see if I can get a bottle there, too. Thanks.

[fierywoman]

33. I found some peroxide in the supermarket -- look in places you wouldn't normally think to find it.

[LizBeth]

43. I went to Walgreens and two Walmarts when I do not go out, lol. I will have to try that though

I instacart Safeway.

[Silver Gaia]

45. I've seen peroxide at Safeway recently.

It didn't last long, though!

[LizBeth]

46. +1

[lagomorph777]

22. I spray my shoes and wash my clothes when I come home.

Shoes only enter the house a day later.

I don't strip down outside (other than shoes) but do stuff things into a bag and straight to the wash.

[BamaRefugee]

10. I have a choice of opening an elevator door and pushing a button already pushed by dozens of people

in my apartment building, or use the stairs and hold a handrail (I've had total hip replacement) for FOUR FLIGHTS, that dozens of other people have used, 3 times a day, to walk my dog during my doctor-ordered quarantine.

Damn right I'm using gloves every time I do it!

[LizBeth]

19. +1

[FailureToCommunicate]

12. Gloves protect hands from so many things, not just viruses. They can transfer germs to

other surfaces, but they certainly might help you to not touch your own face.

There is a reason food workers for years have worn gloves.

There are icky things that can harm you as bad or worse than cove-19.

[ZERTErYNOthe]

35. Gloves protect food from hands

Your comment reminded me:

There is a reason food workers for years have worn gloves.

A longtime friend who runs a large deli (and has for years) told me the hardest part of training employees is that the gloves are not to protect their hands from what they may touch, but to protect the food from what their hands have touched.

Because of this I watch employees in places from 7-11, to the local grocery, deli, lunch place, bar, gas station, etc. If they have to switch from food prep to customer checkout, do they use the same gloves? I see that quite often they do. If they don't, after handling money, do they wash their hands? Do they use a new set of clean gloves? Not often enough. I've seen people take off one glove, handle the payment, and slip the glove back on, sometimes leaving it laying on the counter in between. Also, if they take out the trash, do they use the same gloves to prepare food? Yes, this happens. Employees think the gloves are their to protect their hands, not the food.

[Mr.Bill]

14. I wear gloves when I go out tokeep my car "clean".

I leave the store, pull off my gloves turning them inside out in the process, open my trunk and dispose of the gloves in a plastic bag there. I then sanitize my hands before I touch my door handle.

[appleannie1]

39. I wear the gloves while in the store but put hand sanitizer over them before opening my trunk and

putting what I purchased inside. I then take the cart back and return to the car and take them off before opening the door. I have a bag inside that I drop them into. Then for an extra precaution, I put sanitizer on my hands, pull the door closed and wipe off the steering wheel with my still wet hand.

[msongs]

3. coprorations spending their welfare stimulus billions on advertising themselves? nt

[Ohiogal]

4. I agree

I’m so sick of hearing that line. Especially from Trump sycophants

[mountain grammy]

7. gaslighting to the maimum level..

[bucolic_frolic]

8. It says something that states' other laws aren't drawing much ire

you know, like taxes, estate taxes, driving on the right side of the road, wearing clothes in public, marriage licenses, stop signs, utility bills, headlights at night. I mean the power of the state is ubiquitous, yet this one thing sets them off. Go figure.

[Mr.Bill]

23. Imagine this:

Imagine if cars never had to be registered, there were no license plates, etc. Buying a car would be the same as buying a couch. You pay for it and take it home. That's it.

Then along comes some politicians that says you must register your car, pay a fee to do so, and put a numbered plate on it so a government agency can readily identify the car and you.

People would lose their fucking minds. The politicians who thought of this would need to wear bullet proof vests. But no one complains because this system has been in place since before all of us were born.

[bucolic_frolic]

28. YES!

Only one state has no inspection. They all have license plates and registrations.

The power of the state is all around us. Yet these gangsters can't stand wearing a mask for their own good.

[llmart]

13. I have said this for quite some time now.

The first time I said it someone laughed at me (over the phone, not in person). They thought I was being funny, but I told them I was dead serious. I hate when the country does this sort of thing. It happened after 9/11 also and I didn't jump on that bandwagon either - the whole wearing a flag pin, flying a flag for the first time, the moment of silence every year. Americans like to do the easy things, but the hard stuff like self-sacrifice not so much.

We're just being honest here. We haven't been and are not now "all in this together" because we live in a country/culture that is all about "every man for himself".

[barbtries]

16. it's aspirational.

it's how it should be, and how it has been in the past during great crises. unfortunately it no longer holds true, but it should. Instead of getting pissed off, consider that these messages are directed at you and me and all of us who are indeed in this together.

sad fact: so are they.

[Baclava]

17. Actually we are all alone in this and some of us PREFER it that way

[Nuffer]

21. We are not all in this together!!

You are spot on! Those commercials make me want to vomit! We are on our own...those of us who mask...stand 6 ft apart...and try to do the right thing..we are doing it so we can stay alive...I resent those politicians who say old people should just get it and die...I am 71...high risk and am doing everything I can to stay above ground. They are nearing my age if not already there...You fuckers go first!

[AllaN01Bear]

26. brought to us via the me generation.

[lonely bird]

27. By the way...

Do NOT flush gloves down the toilet. They can block up sewer lines.

[Ford_Prefect]

29. Where my dad grew up they call this "Chicken Shit". We're goona need Bigger Boots to kick it with.

I think we need to start some consumer response campaigns like the ones aimed at Fallwell and other hate mongers on the airwaves.

We need to tell the Fake "we're all in this" crap advertisers they are missing the target. We are NOT standing in the middle of the road waiting to be run over. We are not fungible assets for you to manipulate. My family and my community are not people for you to bake in the oven until you feel like we're done enough. Fuck you Ford and all the other Corporate Darwinists.

Were it possible I would be having my own tête-à-tête with the political high and mighty, and it would be a very personal point of view I would express to them, very personally:

"You want to breathe OUR air, drink OUR water and eat OUR food? You're gonna have to earn it! If you don't feel up to the job we have a long list of those willing and qualified to. Your bus ticket home is at the door on the way out."

[rocktivity]

30. "We are in the same storm, but not in the same boat."

RepublicWorld.com: In the hopes of shedding light on the various ways people are affected by the Coronavirus lockdown, Damian Barr, columnist and author of You Will Be Safe Here, released a sensational poem that appears to have resonated with netizens...

I heard that we are in the same boat.
But it's not that.
We are in the same storm, but not in the same boat.
Your ship can be shipwrecked and mine might not be.
Or vice versa.

For some, quarantine in optimal: a moment of reflection, or reconnection.
Easy, in flip flops, with a whiskey or tea.
For others, this is a desperate crisis.
For others, it is facing loneliness.
For some, peace, rest time, vacation.
Yet for others, Torture: How am I going to pay my bills?

Some were concerned about a brand of chocolate for Easter (this year there were no rich chocolates).
Others were concerned about the bread for the weekend, or if the noodles would last for a few more days.
Some were in their "home office".
Others are looking through trash to survive.
Some want to go back to work because they are running out of money.
Others want to kill those who break the quarantine.
Some need to break the quarantine to stand in line at the banks.
Others to escape.
Others criticize the government for the lines.

Some have experienced the near-death of the virus, some have already lost someone from it, and some believe they are infallible and will be blown away if or when this hits someone they know.
Some have faith in God and expect miracles during 2020. Others say the worse is yet to come. So, friends, we are not in the same boat.
We are going through a time when our perceptions and needs are completely different. And each one will emerge, in his own way, from that storm.
It is very important to see beyond what is seen at first glance. Not just looking, more than looking, seeing.

See beyond the political party, beyond biases, beyond the nose on your face. Do not judge the good life of the other, do not condemn the bad life of the other.
Don't be a judge.
Let us not judge the one who lacks, as well as the one who exceeds him. We are on different ships looking to survive.
Let everyone navigate their route with respect, empathy and responsibility.

rocktivity

[Brogrizzly]

40. Nice n/t

[Bigredhunk]

31. :-)

Giddeyup!

[Brogrizzly]

38. Agreed n/t

[SergeStorms]

42. I respectfully disagree.

Whether these adult children participate in social distancing, wearing masks, gloves etc. or not, they're still part of the event. It certainly isn't a good, productive part, and yes, they're as selfish as is humanly possible, but they are still a part of the whole. Unfortunately they're the "asshole", but remain part of the story. I wish they weren't, Atticus, but they are. I steer clear from these types, as any sane individual should do, but they're out there, and thusly we're "in it together" with them. I'm as disgusted with these people as anyone, and like I said, I avoid them like the virus itself. Like death is part of life, these dullards are part of the corona virus story.

Just my two cents.

[bobGandolf]

49. Amen! I was wondering the same last night.

After watching three successive 'commercials' singing about how great it is we are all working together, I wondered the same. Who the heck is paying for all these commercials anyway?