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Mon May 11, 2020, 08:29 PM

"Antibody testing shows Covid -19 has been in Ohio since at least January , Dr Acton says"

" CLEVELAND, Ohio (WOIO) - Dr. Amy Acton says antibody research is providing new details on the prevalence of the coronavirus across Ohio.

The director for the Ohio Department of Health said Monday that at least five of the 24,477 total reported COVID-19 cases in the state date back to January.

Antibody testing, says Dr. Acton, helped determine that the onset of symptoms for those five cases from five different counties were first reported in January.

According to Dr. Acton, Ohio Department of Health researchers are working to confirm if the infections are associated with travel."

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Reply "Antibody testing shows Covid -19 has been in Ohio since at least January , Dr Acton says" (Original post)
Kathy M May 2020 OP
Backseat Driver May 2020 #1
Kathy M May 2020 #4
Drahthaardogs May 2020 #2
Terry_M May 2020 #3
geomon666 May 2020 #5
intrepidity May 2020 #7
Kathy M May 2020 #14
Kathy M May 2020 #10
geomon666 May 2020 #22
obamanut2012 May 2020 #28
intrepidity May 2020 #6
Drahthaardogs May 2020 #11
luvs2sing May 2020 #8
Kathy M May 2020 #9
Rstrstx May 2020 #13
Kathy M May 2020 #15
roamer65 May 2020 #24
BComplex May 2020 #20
Nay May 2020 #32
Thomas Hurt May 2020 #12
Kathy M May 2020 #16
BamaRefugee May 2020 #17
Igel May 2020 #21
Kathy M May 2020 #25
uponit7771 May 2020 #18
Igel May 2020 #23
tavernier May 2020 #19
OhioChick May 2020 #26
JesterCS May 2020 #27
ProfessorGAC May 2020 #29
JesterCS May 2020 #31
leftyladyfrommo May 2020 #30

Response to Kathy M (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 08:39 PM

1. Undoubtedly - most likely many more than caught here in this study

by antibody testing - I've heard many, many people say their symptoms of some illness matching CoVID-19's in January and even earlier, but they have not yet had an antibody test that might prove it.

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Response to Backseat Driver (Reply #1)

Mon May 11, 2020, 09:07 PM

4. Agree with your statement there are many more than just this study .

Have heard the same thing about the symptoms / illness in Jan and earlier .

From article just for info " Ohio has reported 4,465 flu-related hospitalizations in the 2019-2020 season, according to the state. Thatís more than double the 2,160 during the same period a year earlier, state records show."

"An 11-year-old girl died from the flu this week in northeastern Ohioís Lake County. It was the second pediatric death of the flu season. The flu also killed a 16-year-old girl from Cuyahoga County in early January"

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200207/flu-hospitalizations-spike-in-ohio-second-child-dies

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Response to Kathy M (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 08:43 PM

2. How can antibodies differentiate by month?

I am VERY skeptical!

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Response to Drahthaardogs (Reply #2)

Mon May 11, 2020, 08:59 PM

3. People probably reported having had a 'bad flu' that lasted 2 weeks in early February

and now we tested them and they have antibodies.

Not proof but saying you caught COVID at the end of January becomes the most likely explanation for why you both have antibodies and had a bad flu back then.

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Response to Terry_M (Reply #3)

Mon May 11, 2020, 09:08 PM

5. Well hell, pretty much my entire family was sick with flu like symptoms in January.

I was sick as a dog for 2 weeks and I had the flu shot in December (I know that's not proof of anything, you can get the flu shot and still get the flu).

I'm wondering if there's a way I can get tested for antibodies.

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Response to geomon666 (Reply #5)

Mon May 11, 2020, 09:14 PM

7. There is, if you want to shell out $100

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #7)

Mon May 11, 2020, 10:10 PM

14. Thanks for posting

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Response to geomon666 (Reply #5)

Mon May 11, 2020, 09:35 PM

10. If you are in Ohio check this site out for information

Last edited Mon May 11, 2020, 10:13 PM - Edit history (1)

https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/checklists/english-checklists/antibody-test-kits-covid-19-checklist

Or if another state state or local health dept for information

edit to add sorry you went though that

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Response to Kathy M (Reply #10)

Mon May 11, 2020, 11:38 PM

22. I'm in Miami, FL

but I'm gonna call my insurance provider in the morning and see what they say. If I have antibodies that can help people, then that's what I'm gonna do.

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Response to geomon666 (Reply #5)

Tue May 12, 2020, 05:16 AM

28. Labcorp is doing it via Quest

My insurance is paying for all of it except $10. I'm actually getting it done tomorrow. I am about 90% sure I had it in mid January.

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Response to Terry_M (Reply #3)

Mon May 11, 2020, 09:08 PM

6. That would be strongly circumstantial, but not conclusive

I was really sick in January also, and am considering getting an antisera test. If it's positive, I still can't be certain I had it in January, vs had an asymptomatic case later. But I still want to know.

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Response to Terry_M (Reply #3)

Mon May 11, 2020, 09:47 PM

11. Agree, but there is also the possibility they had the flu

And had an asymptotic case of COVID later. No one really knows.

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Response to Kathy M (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 09:15 PM

8. I'd love to know how to get antibody tested.

Hubster and I were both weirdly sick the first weekend in February. It seemed to pass quickly, but I had minor breathing issues till the middle of March. Several people my husband work with were very sick for several weeks during that same time. I think Iíll call ODH tomorrow.

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Response to luvs2sing (Reply #8)

Mon May 11, 2020, 09:24 PM

9. Sounds like a good plan .

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Response to Rstrstx (Reply #13)

Mon May 11, 2020, 10:10 PM

15. Thanks for posting

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Response to Rstrstx (Reply #13)

Tue May 12, 2020, 12:02 AM

24. Thank you.

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Response to luvs2sing (Reply #8)

Mon May 11, 2020, 11:01 PM

20. Same here, luvs2sing. Exact same time frame as you, exactly how you described your symptoms

I'm here in the south. I'd like to know also if I test positive for antibodies.

Even if you do test positive for antibodies, however, from what I understand that doesn't mean you can't get it again. So please be safe everyone!

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Response to luvs2sing (Reply #8)

Tue May 12, 2020, 11:17 AM

32. Interesting. The same thing happened to me. Went to FL by plane for 3 weeks in January, flew back

Jan. 31, was weirdly sick Feb. 2-4. I had a whanging headache, an extremely sore throat, fatigue. I felt very strange. I had a cough for a week. No congestion.

I remember telling Mr Nay "this is the weirdest damn cold I've ever had." I got over it quickly. Then, when the whole covid 19 thing started, I never connected my cold to it because my symptoms weren't on the covid list. Until my symptoms were added about a month later! Then I said to myself, "Holy f**k??" Did I have covid and lived through it???

I also want to be tested, but I don't want to pay for a test that is basically worthless, as so many of them are now. 87% reliable?? Who cares? I want one 98 -99%.

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Response to Kathy M (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 09:49 PM

12. I had not caught the flu in more than a decade...

but I flew back to my hometown week of Xmas. Got there, came down with the flu, ended up in the ER on xmas morning.

Thing was that my O2 levels were down and the doc had me on oxygen for a couple of nights at home. Was supposed to be on it all day and night, but I wasn't having that.

I have never had that happen with the flu before. Worst xmas of my life.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #12)

Mon May 11, 2020, 10:12 PM

16. Sorry to hear you went through that

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Response to Kathy M (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 10:37 PM

17. Trump better shut down any travel to and from Ohio, the way he "moved quickly" on China. I can't

believe white folks had it! Oh wait, probably just black folks in Cleveland, that fits the narrative a lot better.

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Response to BamaRefugee (Reply #17)

Mon May 11, 2020, 11:17 PM

21. You like the "successful" countries?

They shut down travel in early-mid January. Before anybody said that human-to-human transmission was anything more than just "possible."

They got hit hard by SARS. Because China--sorry, "the country that we can't name"--wasn't forthcoming.

Burned once, they weren't about to be burned a second time.

As for the test results, it's possible. But there are different ways of reaching the same state--sick in January, test positive for SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in May.

Thing is, people don't get it. If they were sick in January--they were infected before S. Korea had its test, and before the German test was put into production. And people expect there to be millions of kit for a test not yet developed. They like to think this, but it contradicts other things they like to think. How Alice in Wonderland.

And if you grow corn in ever colder climates, you'll get corn that's frost hardy and matures at low temperatures.

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Response to Igel (Reply #21)

Tue May 12, 2020, 01:43 AM

25. I think it is going to take quite a while

for any concrete information that can be relied on regarding covid the illness , test ect . The reason I posted article found it interesting that Doctor that talked about the 5 results from antibodies is same doctor that has daily news update with Gov. .

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Response to Kathy M (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 10:43 PM

18. Is this an FDA approved test or one of 200 that aren't ? tia

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #18)

Mon May 11, 2020, 11:49 PM

23. EUAs.

There are no FDA-approved antibody tests.

Just like there are no FDA-approved COVID tests.

If one's crap, then the other's crap.

There are, however, COVID tests with EUAs that we generally rely on for punditry. And there are antibody tests with EUAs.

However, on top of that a lot of research labs outside of government have validated a number of antibody tests. These are peers, and sometimes superior, to FDA and CDC folk.

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Response to Kathy M (Original post)

Mon May 11, 2020, 10:44 PM

19. Yes, granddaughter and college roommates in Cincinnati

were all sick as dogs early in the year, all the major symptoms of Covid. Of course we didnít know what it was at the time. A few weeks later they went to New Orleans for spring break, but by that time they were all over it so Iím sure they werenít contagious. My daughter who teaches nursing and never panics was extremely worried at the time and came close to having her admitted.

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Response to Kathy M (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 02:11 AM

26. This has Always Made me Wonder...

One of my kids brought something horrible home from the hospital, late January.

It started off with a sore throat, then a cough with wheezing, shaking chills, etc. After about 2 weeks of this, it seemed to ease up for a few days (thinking we were on the road to recovery) until we were hit again, like a mack truck.

I could barely breathe and felt like I was getting pneumonia. We all laid in bed for a month and our coughs lingered for a month thereafter.

It was assumed, but not confirmed to be Influenza A or B but we weren't tested.

This was the sickest I've been in about 30 years and my son was off of work for over a month.

The timing and severity of how sick we were just makes me wonder.

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Response to Kathy M (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 04:03 AM

27. I'm in SW Ohio and believe I had it in january

Had severe bronchitis,. Went to urgent care and they were so worried I had pneumonia that they took x-rays. I recovered in about a week

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Response to JesterCS (Reply #27)

Tue May 12, 2020, 05:40 AM

29. Same Here

Illinois.
Week prior to Christmas. Diagnosed as severe bronchitis but not pneumonia.
I had ruled out COVID because I had no fever. Later I found out something like 1 in 8 infections do not exhibit fever even though there are other symptoms.
But, my wife didn't get sick, so I still don't know.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #29)

Tue May 12, 2020, 06:51 AM

31. Neither of my parents got sick

And I live with them. So I'm not sure also. But it was the worst bronchitis I have ever had. I felt like I was breathing through a coffee stir

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Response to Kathy M (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 05:43 AM

30. I am in Kansas City. I was in the hospital in January.

The nurse told me that the hospital was full. I asked if it was flu and she said no that it was some respiratory thing.

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