Think we just lost the Supreme Court case

[Loki Liesmith]

Kavanaugh softballed House Counsel Doug Letter with a chance to clarify a limiting principle on a House subpoena power and Letter could not do it. Ugh he’s so bad. He’s always been bad. Ugh ugh.

[a kennedy]

1. Justice Beer Man???

Will NEVER forget “I like beer”. Loser. Ugh indeed.

[Loki Liesmith]

3. He tried to HELP our side though.

Our counsel was terrible.

[onecaliberal]

12. The fucking precedent should save our side. I'm sick of republicans acting like

the law only applies to democrats or democratic principles.

[Loki Liesmith]

19. What we are tired of is not a good court argument

Our lawyer did a clownishly bad job.

[onecaliberal]

25. of course.

[Loki Liesmith]

2. Either Roberts saves the day by inventing a limiting principle or we are screwed.

[TruckFump]

5. Agree. EOM

[BComplex]

15. Roberts has been carrying trumps water all day.

Our lawyer is so friggin' bad.

[jimfields33]

4. Maybe RBG or another liberal can clean it up by asking again another way but

same meaning. Hope so anyway.

[Loki Liesmith]

7. They tried.

Letter wouldn’t engage. I’m mad bc Letter has been a bumbling fool before. This was too important to hand to him.

[jimfields33]

13. Damn. Thanks for keeping us informed on what is going on.

[SoonerPride]

6. Why would there need to be a limiting principle?

[Loki Liesmith]

14. Both conservative and liberal justices wanted one because

It helps keep one branch from overstepping the authority of another.

[SoonerPride]

20. Isn't that for SCOTUS to decide anyway?

We think you've gone too far here in this instance.

Asking one branch to unilaterally disarm and limit their oversight or power seems tenuous at best.

The executive branch argues it has limitless power.

Can't the legislative branch assert the same?

[Loki Liesmith]

22. They could but Letter didn't argue that

Sometimes bold arguments that are wrong can still work to your advantage. Letter just kept citing “legitimate legislative purpose.” If you bring a standard like that you’d better define it.

Really depressed.

[Mike 03]

8. Maybe I misheard, but Breyer didn't sound very happy with the

House counsel either.

[idziak4ever1234]

9. This needs to go the House's way or

It will cement the public view that the Supreme Court is partisan. The American people want those documents.

[Loki Liesmith]

16. The hope is Roberts recognizes this

[malaise]

10. Aren't there three cases? n/t

[Iliyah]

11. A decision could come months later . . .

[Takket]

17. What is a limiting principle?

[Loki Liesmith]

24. Guideline that constrains a governmental power

[kentuck]

18. Where did they get that guy? Letter?

Very weak and unprepared. Unbelievable!

[Loki Liesmith]

27. Republicans have invested heavily in grooming shark lawyers

We have not.

[BComplex]

21. Justice Ginsberg is tired, and sounding like it.

She's not showing her sharp mind right now. And trump's lawyers are kickin' ass with the help of the majority of the supremes.

[Loki Liesmith]

23. I still think Roberts, Kavanaugh and Gorsuch could go our way

But after today a heavy lift.

[BComplex]

26. I don't agree, but I hope you're right.

They are going to let trump walk.

[Loki Liesmith]

28. Oh at this point I think your belief is more likely

[Amishman]

30. gorsuch could definitely go our way

he doesn't come across as blatantly partizan, just rather conservative

He also seems to be skeptical of presidential authority as a whole

[qazplm135]

29. Oral arguments don't matter much

most of the time. Doubt this is an exception. It will be a 5-4 decision either saying they won't get involved or giving some sort of narrow ruling favorable to Trump in this case.

I suspect the former.

[rusty fender]

31. Don't get you panties in a bunch

We lost it in 2016

[duforsure]

32. Would this hearing be different

If its found out that trump and his crew have been contacting Justices about this and others cases with bribes , or threats , or in any way influence their decision? Shouldn't any Justice have a obligation to recuse if there have been inappropriate contacts made? If that were to be exposed wouldn't that make this case results corrupted?

[grantcart]

33. We are listening to different hearings

Are you aware that there are 3 different cases and 6 different groups of litigator s

The state hearing is clearly going well

[Loki Liesmith]

34. Yes. Did you see my other post?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213427877

[grantcart]

35. No but if you no longer agree with this OP you should delete it

Seems like you want to provide ongoing commentary, suggest you start a watch thread to give real time comments so people can follow the context and flow

[Loki Liesmith]

38. But I don't disagree with this post

Oral arguments for the House’s suit were awful and I expect a negative decision on it.

[octoberlib]

36. Thank god for Carey Dunne.

Link to tweet

Carey Dunne, NYDA’s General Counsel, did a spectacular job on the grand jury case in SCOTUS today. He was helpful to every justice, precise, candid, accurate, & provided the strongest possible defensible arguments for NY against Trump. I’d give him an A or A+, very rare for me.

[Loki Liesmith]

37. Yeah that part of the case was brilliant.

Congressional subpoena power is where I was most concerned tho. So winning on that but losing here would be a bitter pill.