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Tue May 12, 2020, 01:31 PM

a good common sense article on the risks of infection

https://www.erinbromage.com/post/the-risks-know-them-avoid-them

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Commonality of outbreaks

The reason to highlight these different outbreaks is to show you the commonality of outbreaks of COVID-19. All these infection events were indoors, with people closely-spaced, with lots of talking, singing, or yelling. The main sources for infection are home, workplace, public transport, social gatherings, and restaurants. This accounts for 90% of all transmission events. In contrast, outbreaks spread from shopping appear to be responsible for a small percentage of traced infections. (Ref)

Importantly, of the countries performing contact tracing properly, only a single outbreak has been reported from an outdoor environment (less than 0.3% of traced infections). (ref)


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Kali May 2020 OP
PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #1
Kali May 2020 #2
PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #3
LAS14 May 2020 #5
PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #6
LAS14 May 2020 #7
PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #8
LAS14 May 2020 #4

Response to Kali (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 01:58 PM

1. Commonality of outbreaks.

I want to repeat what you posted above:

The reason to highlight these different outbreaks is to show you the commonality of outbreaks of COVID-19. All these infection events were indoors, with people closely-spaced, with lots of talking, singing, or yelling. The main sources for infection are home, workplace, public transport, social gatherings, and restaurants. This accounts for 90% of all transmission events. In contrast, outbreaks spread from shopping appear to be responsible for a small percentage of traced infections.


When I point out that there's no evidence that people are getting infected from mail or ATM keyboards, people here often tell me I don't know what I'm talking about. I've even referenced this article before, and again, get told I don't know what I'm talking about.

There really is no need to sanitize every single thing that comes into your house. Really.

Thanks for posting this again.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Tue May 12, 2020, 02:04 PM

2. or to freak out when you see another shopper in the wallmart not wearing a mask

I suppose if wiping your groceries down makes you feel better that is fine, but it isn't really going to help much.

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Response to Kali (Reply #2)

Tue May 12, 2020, 07:30 PM

3. Bingo.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #1)

Tue May 12, 2020, 07:38 PM

5. I think I replied to you on this same subject. The article clearly states that...

... it does NOT address transmission from surfaces. It urges us to keep that in mind. There's nothing in the article that addresses ATM keyboards or mail or any other surface transmission.

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #5)

Tue May 12, 2020, 11:25 PM

6. But it does point out that the very vast majority of infections come from

being inside closed spaces. It does not address transmission from surfaces mainly because those are are an extremely tiny percentage of transmissions. Extremely tiny. As in not something that even remotely factors in.

If transmission of the virus from various surfaces really were a factor, I honestly think we'd have figured that out by now. But that simply doesn't show up. So understand that surface transmission is an extremely low factor.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #6)

Wed May 13, 2020, 06:16 AM

7. "The vast majority of" AIRBORNE infections. The author isn't talking about ALL infections.

"While I have focused on respiratory exposure here, please don't forget surfaces. Those infected respiratory droplets land somewhere. Wash your hands often and stop touching your face!"

underlining mine

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Response to LAS14 (Reply #7)

Wed May 13, 2020, 01:53 PM

8. Yes, handwashing is a very good thing.

I do it quite regularly and always have.

I have a hypothesis that one reason the 1918 flu epidemic was so bad was that so few people had running water and so regular handwashing just wasn't happening.

But still, there is almost no evidence that anyone has gotten Covid19 from virus on the surface of anything.

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Response to Kali (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 07:36 PM

4. This was posted a couple of days ago. It deserves reposting. The best article I've seen...

... on the subject. Thanks!

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