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Tue May 12, 2020, 04:18 PM

So for extreme narcissistic people who always get their way. How would losing the Presidency impact

Trump's psychology? He already looks shaky and unsure of himself. This is someone who has used his money, lies and power to get whatever he wants his entire life. What happens when that comes crashing down on an epic level? Hopefully his brain will just completely short out and he will have a mental breakdown of epic proportions.

Any psychologists here than have some understanding of his something like this impacts someone with Trump's psychological make up?

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Reply So for extreme narcissistic people who always get their way. How would losing the Presidency impact (Original post)
Quixote1818 May 2020 OP
Igel May 2020 #1
SoonerPride May 2020 #2
PatSeg May 2020 #12
Lord Ludd May 2020 #30
soldierant May 2020 #31
Thomas Hurt May 2020 #3
uponit7771 May 2020 #4
Thomas Hurt May 2020 #6
PatSeg May 2020 #14
Lock him up. May 2020 #29
Harker May 2020 #5
Quixote1818 May 2020 #7
Harker May 2020 #17
First Speaker May 2020 #8
Harker May 2020 #18
PoliticAverse May 2020 #9
Proud Liberal Dem May 2020 #13
unblock May 2020 #10
WhiskeyWulf May 2020 #11
lastlib May 2020 #15
eleny May 2020 #16
Hearthrob May 2020 #19
Fiendish Thingy May 2020 #20
Texin May 2020 #24
SergeStorms May 2020 #21
Lucinda May 2020 #22
Texin May 2020 #23
nolabear May 2020 #25
captain jack May 2020 #26
NNadir May 2020 #27
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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 04:21 PM

1. He'd say that the election was stolen. n/t

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 04:22 PM

2. not a psychologist, but I have unfortunate experience with NPD

He will never accept reality.

He will whine, blame others, dissemble, lie, and do everything he can to soothe his ego.

It won't be his fault, you can rest assured, that is certain.


He will be especially dangerous around the election and should he lose, the time between November and inauguration. A very dangerous madman.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #2)

Tue May 12, 2020, 05:08 PM

12. And then he'll find some way

to make money off of his misfortune. He will scam until the day he dies.

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Response to SoonerPride (Reply #2)

Wed May 13, 2020, 08:22 PM

30. Your last two sentences gave me goosebumps

Somehow I haven't given much thought to what Trump might come up with during the nearly three months after his defeat.

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Response to Lord Ludd (Reply #30)

Wed May 13, 2020, 11:04 PM

31. This is what Bill Maher, Michael Moore, and others have been going on about.

Like them,, I want there to be a plan in place. Unlike them, I don't necessarily want to know the plan details. It will be war, and in war, the element of surprise is important.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 04:23 PM

3. I am not a psychologist, but I think he will have to be forced out if he loses.

Once out, I believe he will go on the road and keep giving his rallies for his cultists. Blaming everyone and probably egging the odd nutter cultist into some act of terrorism. I fully expect a few shootings by the freaks. Keep your fingers crossed that there is no new McVeigh out there.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #3)

Tue May 12, 2020, 04:26 PM

4. +1, his way of saying he was cheated would have to be forced out. Hopefully the need for peace will

... prevail and Justice will lead.

I don't think he'll be going on many rallies having every crevice of his financial being investigated.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #4)

Tue May 12, 2020, 04:31 PM

6. could be I just think he is going to try to make some bucks off it...

and the merch will continue to be rolled out. I imagine he can get on the far right speaking circuit as well.

The freaks will pay up to have him come and bitch and lament the loss of the christofasicst reich.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #6)

Tue May 12, 2020, 05:13 PM

14. Yes, that's pretty much what I said

Trump looks for opportunity in every situation, no matter how bad it might be. Whatever he does, it will probably be media oriented. Maybe he'll revive his Trump TV idea. Meanwhile, he may need to start making some money, as a lot of businesses are losing money right now. Then there will probably be a lot of lawsuits waiting for him when he leaves the White House.

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Response to Thomas Hurt (Reply #3)

Wed May 13, 2020, 04:47 PM

29. What if he's broke and owes hundreds of millions to Russia & China?

Gonna invoke Chapter 11 or go suicidal?
This is the DU member formerly known as Lock him up..

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 04:27 PM

5. He might, in Hitlerian fashion, say that the country

doesn't deserve him... and that the greatest president in history was abused and betrayed.

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Response to Harker (Reply #5)

Tue May 12, 2020, 04:37 PM

7. LOL. Reminds me of this scene



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Response to Quixote1818 (Reply #7)

Tue May 12, 2020, 05:18 PM

17. Who really knows?

Maybe if Dad had only bought little Donnie a BB gun... nah-- he probably would've shot some other kid's eye out.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 04:39 PM

8. I have always believed that he would commit suicide if reality pushed at him too hard...

...or at the very least, fled the country if he lacked the guts to kill himself. He's one of these ego/narcissists who, if their world and self-image collapsed, would collapse completely...

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Response to First Speaker (Reply #8)

Tue May 12, 2020, 05:21 PM

18. Not from remorse, certainly...

but perhaps from bitterness or to gain posthumous sympathy. I'd dread the aftereffects of his twisted martyrdom were his bunker scene come to pass.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 04:42 PM

9. He ran for President in 2012 and lost he survived. He'll just blame the loss on...

<insert scapegoat here>.

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #9)

Tue May 12, 2020, 05:12 PM

13. Why did he lose in 2012?

He jumped in, made some noise, and then jumped out without much more fanfare. In 2016, he just steamrolled the opposition (obviously with a more crowded field but still). Had he just not been courted/approached by Russia yet?

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 04:48 PM

10. He can easily enough blame others and claim fraud

The real problem is the lame duck period. It's one thing losing and being able to go home and grump. It's another to remain in the public eye for t we o and a half months being deemed a loser and being president while no one cares what you say anymore.

He will have a *very* hard time with that.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 05:03 PM

11. Narcissistic defenses are surprisingly durable.

I'm not a psychologist, but I have some academic & professional background in mental health. And I grew up with a narcissistic father who loves the shit outta Trump.

If Trump loses, he will enter a semi- or completely psychotic state in which he is the victim. He will never accept the slightest bit of blame for his loss or his failures as a president. It will be a plot against him, or the ingratitude of the American people, or some other excuse. But he is not capable of seeing himself as inadequate.

If his narcissistic defenses actually failed, his whole psyche would crumble, and he would (possibly) commit suicide to escape the shame of knowing what he really is. But that doesn't happen often with narcissists, at least in my observation. I do think it is possible he would resign the presidency to save face IF there was an extreme threat of public humiliation, but it takes a lot to get a narcissist to that point. A normal person who had failed at a job so badly would already be far past that point. He is pretty well protected from a sense of humiliation by his psychopathology.

Just my rambling thoughts.
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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 05:13 PM

15. I suspect when the returns come in, he won't just go ballistic---

He'll go full orbital. The screaming and bellowing and rage-tweeting to incite his cultists to rise up and overthrow the election will be off the charts! I truly expect full-scale riots from his beer-belly brownshirts-in-camo, and won't be surprised to see blood shed on a level this country hasn't seen since 1865. Not to be alarmist, but we need to be prepared for this scenario.

And on January 20, 2021, I will be in DC to help drag that fat carcass out of the White House and pave the way for Joe and Jill. I may have to wear a flak jacket, but he's coming out--peacefully, I hope, but in irons and strait-jacket if necessary.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 05:18 PM

16. Maybe like what soapy water does to the covid-19 virus

His greasy outer coating might dissolve.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 06:34 PM

19. A physical exit is not a problem for him.

He has the keys to the kingdom.

His goons have infiltrated and will either kill the systems or go with the fact that it will be impossible to fix the cracks in outdated software that they can steal from. Or oust foreign leaders that have been partners in crime(and are still in office).

Each agency, each dept. has been filled with his spies that are being paid for and will be rewarded by oligarchs
that we haven't heard of.

He needs to be in solitary confinement as an enemy of the state on Nov 4th.
I don't think anyone will be ready to do this and remove him before he realizes what has happened.

Congress and the public are still dreaming that he will all of a sudden be an actual human or just a grown up. He knows all the current military secrets. He won't remember details but the staff will be working it.

He will be out to get everyone of us.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Tue May 12, 2020, 06:37 PM

20. He will hire "only the best" lawyers to try and disrupt the counting and certification process

It will make Bush v Gore look like a childrenís garden party and the Brooks Brothers riots will pale in comparison to the MAGAtís disruption and interference. Thatís why the swing state victories must be outside the margin of error.

Although itís hard to predict just how things will unfold post-November 3, I think Trump will refuse to concede, call the certified results a hoax, and spend his post electoral lame duck period wreaking havoc.

Nevertheless, come January 20, 2021, we will have a new president.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #20)

Wed May 13, 2020, 09:48 AM

24. I think your scenario is likely, as nightmarish as it sounds.

In fact, I'm not sure he'll leave. I think our only hope is that he gets Covid and dies.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2020, 09:39 AM

21. I'd help fund a billboard near Mar-ma-lado...

with a simple message: LOSER!

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2020, 09:43 AM

22. I seriously doubt he will stay in office all the way to inaguration day.

I'm not a professional, but I can't see him staying after he loses on election night.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2020, 09:46 AM

23. You'd think he'd be used to it by now. He's been a failure his entire miserable life.

As Rick Wilson says, "Everything Trump Touches Dies". The only thing that sustained him throughout all the shambles has been his remarkable resilience. It would be admirable in a better person. Or just a human being. Instead, he's more like a cockroach, except a cockroach is not as offensive.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2020, 09:50 AM

25. As a psychotherapist I see several possibilities.

Sometimes the defense crumbles. It leads to rage or suicide or some wild form of acting out. With him unless something or things were done to relentlessly humiliate him OR pity him, treat him like a sad, pathetic creature, which is his underlying fear, I think heíll maintain the delusion. Heíll be propped up by whomever would benefit from it and heíll see himself as a noble, brilliant, under appreciated genius who will someday be thought of as great.

He believes it. He canít afford not to and the rest of us are too human to just emotionally stomp him.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2020, 10:00 AM

26. Hopefully in the worst kind of way. Mental breakdown of epic proportions is a good start. n/t

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2020, 12:08 PM

27. One things for sure: He'll have a hard time adjusting to life in prison. n/t.

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Response to Quixote1818 (Original post)

Wed May 13, 2020, 02:32 PM

28. I think he will take a very long 'vacation' after losing. He will say

it is a hoax and I am going home to Maralago to help my business start up again and be bigly successful.

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