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babylonsister

(171,049 posts)
Tue May 12, 2020, 11:29 PM May 2020

On Re-opening

From a friend:

Not my original thoughts, but makes sense.

On Re-opening, Author Unknown:

I am seeing so much anxiety about resuming business, and so much anger about continued regulations. People are feeling the need to catapult to one side or the other, then fight the opposition.

Here’s my perspective, from a mainstream medical model. I think a lot of folks have fallen into the idea that social distancing was meant to stop the viral spread. It wasn’t-it was meant to SLOW it while we put medical infrastructure in place. It has worked. We have, in most parts, not been overwhelmed like we likely would have been without protective measures. In the meantime, our testing procedures have gotten better. We’ve increased our ventilator count. We’ve gotten a little better handle on PPE supply chains, and many have helped by making masks and gowns. It’s not perfect, but it’s much better than it was seven weeks ago.

A vaccine is a long way off and not everyone will choose to get it. That is their choice. At some point, people have to be systematically exposed to begin the building of (hopeful) herd immunity. We will likely begin to experience a real increase in cases after reopening. Ideally, that exposure is controlled and calculated, in phases, to allow our medical community to respond adequately, and reduce the number of severe or fatal cases. That’s where we are.

Whether you feel like opening is too soon, or not soon enough, we were never going to social distance this thing into nonexistence. You now need to proceed as your health, wallet, and conscience allow.

If you are medically vulnerable, you do not need to be a part of what is about to happen. Stay home if you can. If you’re not, or if your financial vulnerability trumps your health concerns, you need to proceed in ways that continue to protect yourself, and the elderly and medically vulnerable around you.

All of us need to calm down. Quit telling people who are financially struggling that they don’t care about human lives. Quit telling people who are truly at risk of dying from this virus that they are cowering in fear. Remember that until you’ve walked in someone else’s shoes, you should probably be careful in your judgements and subsequent harsh words.

We don’t HAVE to choose an either/or proposition and fight. We could choose other ways to be. Examples include but are not limited to:

“I think this may be too soon, so I will continue to shelter myself, and pray/make masks/ check on those who can’t.”

“I really need to go back to work, so I will do so, but I will be careful and try to protect myself, my family, and those around me with healthy strategies.”

See how those positions allow each of us to do what we need to, and also respect those who are choosing differently?

One thing that allows us to do this is humility. I can acknowledge that I am not an epidemiologist/economist/whatever, that I am making decisions based on my understanding of complex subjects and my own personal health and financial situation, that I am not all knowing, always right, and an expert in all fields, and that each person around me is doing their best too. We can make different choices and still be a supportive community. We can learn and evolve in our understanding of these issues.

Give one another the benefit of the doubt and the compassion of compromise.

Much love and prayers for everyone in making their own personal decision.
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iemitsu

(3,888 posts)
1. Sounds good to me.
Tue May 12, 2020, 11:35 PM
May 2020

But when others try to force their rights to congregate on me, I take offense.
Guns in my face and shouting at me for wearing a mask make it tough for me to be so magnanimous.
I wish your model (understanding) could be adopted by all.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
2. Sounds good. It really does. There are those vulnerable and without protection can be forced to
Tue May 12, 2020, 11:49 PM
May 2020

work with customers a couple feet from them from all over putting themselves at risk, or lose the job and not get unemployment. There are protections now that we won't have to just chose, to stay safe. But yes, this is a calming and reasonable post.

liberalmediaaddict

(766 posts)
3. Interesting take but...
Tue May 12, 2020, 11:55 PM
May 2020
"At some point, people have to be systematically exposed to begin the building of (hopeful) herd immunity".

The jury is still out on whether herd immunity is possible with Covid-19 yet. Or if it will take 2 million dead Americans to get there.

If people could be certain that if you get infected with Covid and then recover you build up an immunity to the virus that would help society calm down. Unfortunately there's still too many unknowns. Too much uncertainty and too little good news.

Until we have reason to be hopeful because there's an effective treatment or vaccine I fear things are going to remain tense for quite a while.

Duppers

(28,117 posts)
7. Best article on "The false promise of 'herd immunity' to beat COVID
Wed May 13, 2020, 02:48 AM
May 2020

Quoting experts from JHU...and noting that herd immunity did not work in Sweden.

"If the United States were to throw open the economy and bet on creating herd immunity without a vaccine, the death toll could run into the hundreds of thousands.


By CST Editorial Board, May 12, 2020

Much more...

https://chicago.suntimes.com/2020/5/12/21250721/herd-immunity-anthony-fauci-covid-19-coronavirus-vaccine-senate-committee-hearing-editorial


Wawannabe

(5,641 posts)
4. Such a good essay
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:00 AM
May 2020

This is where I am at.

I gotta work. My reg job is shut down and will be last to open. I have to eat and pay bills. I don’t judge those who stay put ( and most of the time I do) and I shouldn’t be judged for being out and earning an income.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
5. I have an elderly father.
Wed May 13, 2020, 12:00 AM
May 2020

If “these people” in MI continue to defy stay at home orders and he ends up dead from a second wave, I will consider them to be murderers.

In MI, it’s spreading into rural communities due to the “protests” in Lansing.

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
6. I think this is missing a really important piece of the puzzle.
Wed May 13, 2020, 01:07 AM
May 2020

The plan was never to social distance the virus out of existence. It was to provide time for two reasons. One was to lessen the impact on our medical infrastructure. That seems to have worked. The other piece, however, is about more than testing. It was about constructing a system of testing, tracing, and tracking. We're making some progress on testing, but not enough. We also don't have a coordinated system of tracing and tracking.

I know some states are doing what that can, but unless we're going to close the borders between states, this needs to be coordinated at the federal level. Without those systems in place, we'll never get ahead of this thing, and that's entirely on Trump.

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
9. +1, Trump said last week "So, in a way, by doing all of this testing, we make ourselves look bad."
Wed May 13, 2020, 03:53 AM
May 2020

... and we can't even think about tracing and isolation.

Trump spent the 6 weeks of heavy US NPI fist farting around on everything and now advocating Americans needlessly expose ourselves without these process's in place.

Crimes against humanity

uponit7771

(90,329 posts)
8. BULL FUCKIN SHIT !!! We were supposed to put in place a federated testing, tracing and isolation ...
Wed May 13, 2020, 03:47 AM
May 2020

... process but Red Don decided not to do this and claimed "... we're not the shipping clerks" leaving states hanging in the wind when it came to supplies.

Then

Trump also said about testing her last week "....So, in a way, by doing all of this testing, we make ourselves look bad."

No, the reason why people have to chose between placing their selves and their non isolated families in greater danger is because of Trump not because those were the best of choices available.


Please, no articles that displace responsibility of Trump fist farting around and killing Americans with his lack of planning and action.

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