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CousinIT

(9,238 posts)
Wed May 13, 2020, 10:09 AM May 2020

Mostly concerned about his re-election image, Trump demands the CDC dial down its death counts

https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-pushes-cdc-to-dial-down-covid-death-counts

President Donald Trump and members of his coronavirus task force are pushing officials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to change how the agency works with states to count coronavirus-related deaths. And they’re pushing for revisions that could lead to far fewer deaths being counted than originally reported, according to five administration officials working on the government’s response to the pandemic.

Though he has previously publicly attested to the accuracy of the COVID-19 death count, the president in recent weeks has privately raised suspicion about the number of fatalities in the United States, which recently eclipsed 80,000 recorded deaths. In talks with top officials, Trump has suggested that those numbers could have been incorrectly tallied or even inflated by current methodology, two individuals with knowledge of those private comments said.

The White House has pressed the CDC, in particular, to work with states to change how they count coronavirus deaths and report them back to the federal government, according to two officials with knowledge of those conversations. And Deborah Birx, the coordinator of the administration’s coronavirus task force, has urged CDC officials to exclude from coronavirus death-count reporting some of those individuals who either do not have confirmed lab results and are presumed positive or who have the virus and may not have died as a direct result of it, according to three senior administration officials.

Officials inside the CDC, five of whom spoke to The Daily Beast, said they are pushing back against that request, claiming it could falsely skew the mortality rate at a time when state and local governments are already struggling to ensure that every person who dies as a result of the coronavirus is counted. Scientists and doctors working with the task force, including Anthony Fauci, the head of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, have said the U.S. death-toll count is likely higher than is being reflected in government data sets. And several local officials in hot spot areas said they’ve seen hundreds if not thousands more deaths over the last two months than in the same time period over the last several years. They presume many of those individuals contracted the coronavirus.

“I don’t worry about this overreporting issue,” Bob Anderson, the chief of the Mortality Statistics Branch in CDC’s National Center for Health Statistics, told The Daily Beast. Anderson’s team is in charge of aggregating, calculating, and reporting coronavirus deaths for the agency. “We’re almost certainly underestimating the number of deaths (in the country)”
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Mostly concerned about his re-election image, Trump demands the CDC dial down its death counts (Original Post) CousinIT May 2020 OP
That is delusional, Trumps mental illness is getting worse. shockey80 May 2020 #1
Listen CDC, if someone dies of Covid-19, I want you to list the cause of death LuckyCharms May 2020 #2
"Alternative facts" - Kellyanne Conway SoonerPride May 2020 #3
Nearly 84,000 dead and this despicable human being malaise May 2020 #4
Gosh, who to believe, how to report it? gratuitous May 2020 #5
"Provisional" Covid death counts live love laugh May 2020 #6
Link, please? nt. Mariana May 2020 #7
CDC.gov live love laugh May 2020 #9
Is this the one? Mariana May 2020 #10
Flush the turd Nov. 3rd. Kid Berwyn May 2020 #8
What is surprising about Trump getting CDC to Progressive dog May 2020 #11
 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
1. That is delusional, Trumps mental illness is getting worse.
Wed May 13, 2020, 10:12 AM
May 2020

Trump mental illness may be reaching a breaking point.

LuckyCharms

(17,425 posts)
2. Listen CDC, if someone dies of Covid-19, I want you to list the cause of death
Wed May 13, 2020, 10:14 AM
May 2020

as "Unstable Covfefe" until further notice,

malaise

(268,885 posts)
4. Nearly 84,000 dead and this despicable human being
Wed May 13, 2020, 10:21 AM
May 2020

is still only thinking about himself.
I didn't know I could feel this intense hatred for anyone or anything.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
5. Gosh, who to believe, how to report it?
Wed May 13, 2020, 10:21 AM
May 2020

A real conundrum for the media: Do you listen to Trump and support his self-serving lies, or do you listen to the professionals who operate in an environment of facts and reality? On the one hand, fewer people will get infected and die, but on the other hand, you won't be on the receiving end of a mean tweet from Trump. Think, think.

live love laugh

(13,096 posts)
6. "Provisional" Covid death counts
Wed May 13, 2020, 10:29 AM
May 2020

Per the CDC web page are tens of thousands lower than the daily tally Americans hear.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
10. Is this the one?
Wed May 13, 2020, 11:18 AM
May 2020
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/

If one actually reads the notes on this page, one would find that it says:

NOTE: Number of deaths reported in this table are the total number of deaths received and coded as of the date of analysis and do not represent all deaths that occurred in that period. The United States population, based on 2018 postcensal estimates from the U.S. Census Bureau, is 327,167,434.

*Data during this period are incomplete because of the lag in time between when the death occurred and when the death certificate is completed, submitted to NCHS and processed for reporting purposes. This delay can range from 1 week to 8 weeks or more, depending on the jurisdiction, age, and cause of death.

and so on.

The definition of the word provisional is: arranged or existing for the present, possibly to be changed later.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
11. What is surprising about Trump getting CDC to
Wed May 13, 2020, 11:39 AM
May 2020

lie about the deaths is that no one reported on it sooner. It probably began when Dr. Birx became a supporting actor at the fantasy show that Trump was running.

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