The vaccine: Lets look at the facts to see how crazy this is.

[shockey80]

This is a new virus that no one has seen before.

Medical experts do not understand how this virus works yet. They are still discovering new things about how this virus effects people.

Medical experts have just learned the virus in now infecting children in a different way. They don't know why.

Medical experts do not understand yet, why the virus infects people in different ways.

Medical experts are at the early stages of understanding how this virus works.

It is now mid May. Trump and his merry band of lunatics, who spend every minute of everyday lying and putting on a fake show. They are telling us in the next six months medical experts will figure everything out about this virus. They will then test a vaccine in six months, manufacture it, distribute it on a massive scale in the next six months and we will live happily ever after.

If you believe that, you live with Alice in Wonderland.

[Stuart G]

1. K and R...I don't believe anything that liar says.

[COLGATE4]

3. To quote one of the TV judges,

"I wouldn't believe him if his tongue came notarized".

[Initech]

2. I'm looking at the Oxford vaccine.

I'm not paying attention to anything Chump says since he obviously lives in a fantasy world. There's promise on the vaccine front but if Chump thinks he's going to get one in mass distribution by January, he is certifiably insane, and could make this thing that much worse.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-significantly-reduces-viral-load-in-monkeys/

[DrToast]

6. If you begin production soon, you could definitely have it available by January

[Initech]

8. Beginning production now is one thing.

Beginning production so we get enough to cover 60% of the entire world for herd immunity is something else entirely. It would take a global effort to do that.

[DrToast]

9. Why do you think we're going to do that?

I imagine we're going to vaccinate ourselves first.

[Initech]

11. That makes me thankful that I am related to an ER doctor.

I would not trust myself around needles, but I would definitely trust him to do so.

[Steelrolled]

21. It seems it would first go the areas suffering the most (at the time of release)

At this time, for example, China wouldn't need it urgently as they have conquered it. That is a big part of the world population. India is another very large population - currently they are in much better shape than Western Europe and North American (although that might change).

[Initech]

22. I feel like this is going to be playing a game of whack-a-mole.

It will go away here, but it will hit with a vengeance in say, Brazil. Then it goes away in Brazil and pops up in say, Turkey. This thing has no rhyme, reason or pattern it is following. Which is what will make it so difficult to extinguish.

[DrToast]

7. About the Oxford vaccine

AstraZeneca Plc agreed to make an experimental coronavirus vaccine developed by Oxford University researchers as the race heats up for the key to halting the pandemic.

Astra’s goal is to have the capacity to produce 100 million doses by the end of the year.

https://fortune.com/2020/04/30/race-coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-oxford-university/

[uponit7771]

15. Human trials take 1.5 yrs ... PERIOD ... there is no short cut unless I Am Legend is the goal

[DrToast]

4. You don't need to know all that stuff to create a vaccine.

There are many vaccines that exist already and are in human trials. Some have proven to be effective in monkeys already.

If you really want to learn about possible Covid-19, here's a few links that might interest you:

https://www.sciencefocus.com/news/oxford-coronavirus-vaccine-significantly-reduces-viral-load-in-monkeys/

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/covid-19-vaccine-protects-monkeys-new-coronavirus-chinese-biotech-reports

&feature=emb_logo

[Initech]

10. Bill Gates said that of like 130 candidates in development, 10 look promising.

And I think even Dr. Fauci said that it might take more than one to end this thing. But I'm all for whatever it takes. Somewhere out there we will find the right combination of ingredients to kill this thing.

[DrToast]

12. Yes, there will likely be more than one vaccine

[uponit7771]

17. NONE of those will be widely approved in less than 1.5 yrs, NONE. No matter who says what is

... promising

[kskiska]

5. The Deplorables are saying they won't take a vaccine, anyway.

[Ms. Toad]

13. You missed the most important point -

There is no evidence yet that it is possible to create immunity against COVID 19.

People who have recovered now test positive for active disease again. WHO says it has no evidence having had the disease creates immunity going forward. From a 10,000 foot level - that norm is the basis for most vaccines - make the body think you have the disease so it figures out how to fight it & can fight it effectively the next time it reappears.

[hlthe2b]

14. I can readily name a few recent examples of serious vaccine disasters:

1. Dengue (we've worked on this for many decades as it can be deadly and has four distinctly different and immune-distinctly separate serotypes). Vaccine held lots of hope. It was a disaster, increasing risk for harm. A first infection is rarely fatal, but a second one with a different virus type can lead to much more serious disease, because of what is called antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), in which the immune response to the first virus amplifies the effect of the second type. S
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2019/04/dengue-vaccine-fiasco-leads-criminal-charges-researcher-philippines

2. Respiratory Syncytial Virus (RSV)
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6498742/

3. 1999 Childhood Rotavirus Recall
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5334a3.htm

4. 1952 Salk Polio vaccine (safe but failure to control production safety led to Cutter Incident)
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5334a3.htm


I am a BIG Vaccine Proponent, but this pressure to produce while short-circuiting safety and efficacy issues is an enormous issue for me. Trump is being totally irresponsible and irrational (but that is obvious

[Caliman73]

19. Thank you for this.

An article called the easing of protocols "cutting through red tape". I found that to be infuriating. Protocols and procedures are put into place to make sure that quality and safety standards are met.

You take a shortcut and you are playing with lives.

This "short cut" shit is just more Trump trying to save face, and likely trying to scam the system for money with his cronies.

[manicdem]

16. Not betting on a cure

I'm skeptical there will be a cure for Covid. There's some evidence that people can get COVID a second time. Also the virus will probably mutate and require annual vaccinations like we do with the flu.

[Caliman73]

18. Also, "even without a vaccine, it will just go away".

That was literally what the idiot said. So they are going to have a vaccine and widespread distribution within 6 months which is contrary to known medical science, BUT the virus will just go away regardless of whether we have a vaccine or not.

You have to be willfully ignorant and/or completely delusional to accept that bullshit.

[anamnua]

20. The Brits reckon they will have one by the Summer

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1282523/coronavirus-vaccine-summer-scientists-oxford-university-trials

No doubt, if this comes to fruition, we will have to endure a lot of jingoistic stuff from the Express and suchlike ('how we saved the world, like in 1940'). A small price to pay.