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Sat May 16, 2020, 06:59 AM

I am unaware of ANY vaccine produced that treated ANY Corona Virus ever...

We are talking, discussing, anticipating and being promised a vaccine soon for the COVID-19 corona virus...tRump Team saying by January..

I did a little research and can NOT find where there has ever been a vaccine for coronavirus...ever....Lots of ongoing clinical trails...no vaccine... COVID-19 our current lethal virus is in the Coronavirus Family Strain... so, that is why I went searching for any past related success for a vaccine...

If this is the case...WHY are we Not getting more clarification about the potential for a COVID-19 vaccine to actually be a FIRST ever Coronavirus vaccine? I

I really think way too much false hope for a vaccine by January is grossly misleading and inappropriate...More like manipulation...

Here is a link to one article I found.... 4-5 coronavirus affect humans..no vaccine yet...see list below.


https://www.precisionvaccinations.com/vaccines/coronavirus-vaccines?fbclid=IwAR2Yp2VRHV6NZXMDhhwakyujF8ZAuyvrQ_2m1FqRjRCjPq28oZ0j6C6RZy4


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Coronaviruses without preventive vaccines are the Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS-CoV) and Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS-CoV), and the novel coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, which causes COVID-19 disease in humans.

As of May 14, 2020, the U.S. FDA has not approved any preventive or therapeutic vaccines for use against the SARS, MERS, or SARS-CoV-2 coronaviruses. However, over 300 clinical studies are seeking participants to evaluate vaccine candidates.... END>

Then from the NIH Link:

https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/coronaviruses


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Coronaviruses are a large family of viruses that usually cause mild to moderate upper-respiratory tract illnesses, like the common cold. However, three new coronaviruses have emerged from animal reservoirs over the past two decades to cause serious and widespread illness and death.

There are hundreds of coronaviruses, most of which circulate among such animals as pigs, camels, bats and cats. Sometimes those viruses jump to humans—called a spillover event—and can cause disease. Four of the seven known coronaviruses that sicken people cause only mild to moderate disease. Three can cause more serious, even fatal, disease. SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV) emerged in November 2002 and caused severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS). That virus disappeared by 2004. Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) is caused by the MERS coronavirus (MERS-CoV). Transmitted from an animal reservoir in camels, MERS was identified in September 2012 and continues to cause sporadic and localized outbreaks. The third novel coronavirus to emerge in this century is called SARS-CoV-2. It causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), which emerged from China in December 2019 and was declared a global pandemic by the World Health Organization on March 11, 2020.

Building on previous research on SARS and MERS, NIAID scientists and grantees are well positioned to rapidly develop COVID-19 diagnostics, therapeutics and vaccines. These projects include conducting basic research to understand how the virus infects cells and causes disease, and what interventions can prevent and stop the spread of disease.... END>

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Reply I am unaware of ANY vaccine produced that treated ANY Corona Virus ever... (Original post)
FarPoint May 16 OP
Throck May 16 #1
FarPoint May 16 #2
Throck May 16 #4
Celerity May 16 #6
FarPoint May 16 #10
Celerity May 16 #47
FarPoint May 16 #50
Celerity May 16 #52
erronis May 16 #44
Celerity May 16 #46
erronis May 16 #56
Celerity May 16 #59
Maxheader May 16 #7
Traildogbob May 16 #29
ProfessorGAC May 16 #3
FarPoint May 16 #5
Celerity May 16 #9
ProfessorGAC May 16 #11
Celerity May 16 #13
bluecollar2 May 16 #19
Celerity May 16 #21
tavernier May 16 #30
FarPoint May 16 #12
Celerity May 16 #14
FarPoint May 16 #16
Celerity May 16 #18
FarPoint May 16 #20
Celerity May 16 #23
tavernier May 16 #31
Celerity May 16 #35
Aussie105 May 16 #8
Celerity May 16 #15
Hestia May 16 #22
FarPoint May 16 #24
Baitball Blogger May 16 #17
hlthe2b May 16 #25
Mike 03 May 16 #42
Nay May 16 #49
Native May 16 #26
FarPoint May 16 #32
hlthe2b May 16 #58
hlthe2b May 16 #57
oldsoftie May 16 #27
FarPoint May 16 #34
oldsoftie May 16 #55
Laelth May 16 #36
in2herbs May 16 #28
Ford_Prefect May 16 #41
Bettie May 16 #33
disndat May 16 #45
FarPoint May 16 #51
duforsure May 16 #37
Warpy May 16 #38
MrModerate May 16 #39
FarPoint May 16 #40
Mrs. Overall May 16 #43
Baclava May 16 #48
BGBD May 16 #53
roamer65 May 16 #54

Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:03 AM

1. Even the annual flu vaccine isn't 100% effective.

Nature is really screwing with us this time.

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Response to Throck (Reply #1)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:07 AM

2. I understand, I heard...

tRump is promising a COVID-19 vaccine by January 2021...just AFTER the election....A Carnival Barker promise... If we never had a coronavirus vaccine over the years then this claim, soon, by January 2021 is total manipulation of the 10th degree. ...

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #2)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:14 AM

4. Ignore the man behind the curtain.

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Response to Throck (Reply #1)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:16 AM

6. U.S. flu vaccine effectiveness by start year

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Response to Celerity (Reply #6)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:22 AM

10. Yers...good information...but....

Coronaviruses and COVID-19 are NOT Flu viruses....that makes it even more frightening.....Americans are placing FLU in the same category as COVID-19....they are not in the same group. This is NOT the FLU...

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #10)

Sat May 16, 2020, 10:16 AM

47. I never implied they were the same, I just used the title in the article, but I did change it

for clarity.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #47)

Sat May 16, 2020, 11:14 AM

50. I realize that..good information...

I addressed it because so many equate FLU and COVID-19 in same category....which is why we have such minimization of the lethality of COVID-19...

I just tend to jump up ...I'm a tense type these days....

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #50)

Sat May 16, 2020, 11:19 AM

52. hugz

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Response to Celerity (Reply #6)

Sat May 16, 2020, 10:00 AM

44. Celerity - it would be best if you change your title to say "U.S. Influenza Vaccine Effectiveness...

Many will read your post to think that this includes the coronavirus.

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Response to erronis (Reply #44)

Sat May 16, 2020, 10:14 AM

46. there is no coronavirus vaccine, and I just used the title in the article, but I will change it

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Response to Celerity (Reply #46)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:48 PM

56. Thanks for the edit. I just saw the title on Wikipedia and understand what you meant.

Thanks for you kind response, too.

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Response to erronis (Reply #56)

Sat May 16, 2020, 01:05 PM

59. I also assumed the URL was a dead giveaway (Influenza_vaccine#Effectiveness)




plus the post I replied to was about the flu vaccine

cheers

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Response to Throck (Reply #1)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:16 AM

7. Yeah, the early fall flu shots..


Are supposed to suppress, not kill...from what the nurses

tell me.

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Response to Throck (Reply #1)

Sat May 16, 2020, 08:15 AM

29. Sorry

But we have been screwing with nature so much the checks and balance of the rest of nature has had enough. We are one tiny link in the whole system. The one link that only consumes and generates so much destruction. Now the defense system, the earths immune system is rejecting the cancer that is hell bent of destroying the whole thing. We will be rejected, and nature will thrive when it rids is. Just another extinction and earth will keep on until a natural balance will be achieved. The planet does not need us, at all. Our arrogance will end our species. Part of Gods grand plan??????? Part of his experiment that needed tweaked??????

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:10 AM

3. Can't Find It Now, But...

...I read that most coronaviruses mutate so fast they can't vaccinate against them.
They don't think this one mutates as fast.
I only looked a minute or two and couldn't find that thread here at DU.
So, perhaps there's still some hope.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #3)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:15 AM

5. I think we as activist need to emphasize this concern...

False hope is a tool....Hope is fine but a manipulative time line for political election gains is unacceptable. People need the truth which is constantly being snuffed out by this administration...Opening up the streets of America now while the COVID-19 has not been mitigated, contained and has not even peeked is a mass murder essentially...We can't even test, quarantine and retest...barely have PPE's and now, no masks required...I am overwhelmed with disgust.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #3)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:21 AM

9. The coronavirus mutates more slowly than the flu -- which means a vaccine will likely be effective

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Response to Celerity (Reply #9)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:22 AM

11. Thanks!

That might be the article from the thread I recalled.

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Response to ProfessorGAC (Reply #11)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:31 AM

13. this following is a great article addressing the hysteria that was on here about mutations

I made it an OP and so few read it, whilst PANIC PANIC! bullshit alarmist posts (often unsourced or sourced from dodgy sites) were getting 50-100 recs and thousands of views.


Beware Overblown Claims of Coronavirus Strains

The Problem With Stories About Dangerous Coronavirus Mutations

There’s no clear evidence that the pandemic virus has evolved into significantly different forms—and there probably won’t be for months.

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/05/coronavirus-strains-transmissible/611239/



As if the pandemic weren’t bad enough, on April 30, a team led by scientists at Los Alamos National Laboratory released a paper that purportedly described “the emergence of a more transmissible form” of the new coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2. This new form, the team wrote, “began spreading in Europe in early February.” Whenever it appeared in a new place, including the U.S., it rapidly rose to dominance. Its success, the team suggested, is likely due to a single mutation, which is now “of urgent concern.” The paper has not yet been formally published or reviewed by other scientists. But on May 5, the Los Angeles Times wrote about it, claiming that “a now-dominant strain of the coronavirus could be more contagious than [the] original.” That story quickly went … well … viral.

But “the conclusions are overblown,” says Lisa Gralinski of the University of North Carolina, who is one of the few scientists in the world who specializes in coronaviruses. “To say that you’ve revealed the emergence of a more transmissible form of SARS-CoV-2 without ever actually testing it isn’t the type of thing that makes me feel comfortable as a scientist.” She and other virologists I’ve spoken with who were not involved in the Los Alamos research agree that the paper’s claims are plausible, but not justified by the evidence it presents. More important, they’re not convinced different strains of the coronavirus exist at all.

“We have evidence for one strain,” says Brian Wasik at Cornell University. “I would say there’s just one,” says Nathan Grubaugh at Yale School of Medicine. “I think the majority of people studying [coronavirus genetics] wouldn’t recognize more than one strain right now,” says Charlotte Houldcroft at the University of Cambridge. Everyone else might be reasonably puzzled, given that news stories have repeatedly claimed there are two, or three, or even eight strains. This is yet another case of confusion in a crisis that seems riddled with them. Here’s how to make sense of it. Whenever a virus infects a host, it makes new copies of itself, and it starts by duplicating its genes. But this process is sloppy, and the duplicates end up with errors. These are called mutations—they’re the genetic equivalent of typos. In comic books and other science fiction, mutations are always dramatic and consequential. In the real world, they’re a normal and usually mundane part of virology. Viruses naturally and gradually accumulate mutations as they spread.

As an epidemic progresses, the virus family tree grows new branches and twigs—new lineages that are characterized by differing sets of mutations. But a new lineage doesn’t automatically count as a new strain. That term is usually reserved for a lineage that differs from its fellow viruses in significant ways. It might vary in how easily it spreads (transmissibility), its ability to cause disease (virulence), whether it is recognized by the immune system in the same way (antigenicity), or how vulnerable it is to medications (resistance). Some mutations affect these properties. Most do not, and are either silent or cosmetic. “Not every mutation creates a different strain,” says Grubaugh. (Think about dog breeds as equivalents of strains: A corgi is clearly different from a Great Dane, but a black-haired corgi is functionally the same as a brown-haired one, and wouldn’t count as a separate breed.)

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Response to Celerity (Reply #13)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:40 AM

19. Good post. Thank you. N/t

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Response to bluecollar2 (Reply #19)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:42 AM

21. yw

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Response to Celerity (Reply #13)

Sat May 16, 2020, 08:28 AM

30. I remember reading it, or something similar.

Zombie apocalypse threads tend to attract more interest in today’s world.

Thanks for the reprint.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #9)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:26 AM

12. Well...we have had corona viruses like the Acute Respiratory One since say 2000

No vaccine yet....so, the data we are getting from COVID-19 is still in it's infancy....tRump making a promise for a vaccine by January 2021 is total BS.

If we can't make a coronavirus vaccine in 20 years as noted above...this information needs to be emphasized...false hope is criminal...Best bet, is treatment therapies as what we have with HIV...

I would soooo like PBS to cover this topic...educate the masses...

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #12)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:32 AM

14. I thinks odds are pretty low for a vaccine any time soon, Trump, as usual is full of shit

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Response to Celerity (Reply #14)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:34 AM

16. Exactly....

So, we need to be ready to set the record straight....He will try and sell this miracle to voters...

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #16)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:38 AM

18. The last 2 months before the election Biden is truly going to have to lay the hammer down

on Trump's skull. I know Biden hates to attack people, but he so has to expose Trump for the ultra conman of death that he is.

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Response to Celerity (Reply #18)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:42 AM

20. I agree there...

Going and exposing him too early would be a mistake...last lap is good. tRump lies...I struggle at times to use my imagination to think of what he, tRump will lie about next and sell it successfully...I sure hope the Team Biden is ready for this lie ...the false hope of a COVID-19 virus by January 2021..since, we never have had a coronavirus vaccine ...ever...yet.


" As of May 14, 2020, the U.S. FDA has not approved any preventive or therapeutic vaccines for use against the SARS, MERS, or SARS-CoV-2 coronaviruses. However, over 300 clinical studies are seeking participants to evaluate vaccine candidates.."

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #20)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:45 AM

23. assume he will lie about .. EVERYTHING, and in the worst possible way on the worst possible subjects

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Response to Celerity (Reply #18)

Sat May 16, 2020, 08:33 AM

31. I have seen Biden get furiously angry when his family is threatened,

And I think he considers the people of the United States his family.

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Response to tavernier (Reply #31)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:08 AM

35. +100000

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:18 AM

8. Some vaccines are simply deactivated virus.

Unable to replicate, the components crank up the immune response so that if you encounter the live virus, your immune system is ready to attack it.
You may not even notice you acquired the virus, it never gets to build up to the point it makes you sick.

Why is this not possible with this corona virus?

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Response to Aussie105 (Reply #8)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:33 AM

15. they are trying that type, and all other types as well

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Response to Celerity (Reply #15)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:44 AM

22. FRONTLINE had very up-to-date info from scientists trying to develop a vaccine

One developer says that one that may actually work expires the moment it will be bottled to the time it is loaded on a truck. Very interesting program. Amazing how quickly PBS is getting info out there, instead of allowing the CT to flourish.

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Response to Hestia (Reply #22)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:47 AM

24. Ohhhh yes...I wanted to watch that...

then forgot...I will look it up...good one...

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:37 AM

17. This is what Trump does. Makes promises that has no science behind them.

Never looks at the details. Just makes big promises.

Someone should make a list of those lying promises.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 07:57 AM

25. You should correct subject line to PREVENT. There ARE Veterinary Coronavirus vaccines

that are effective against Enteric Canine Coronavirus (CCoV) a common cause of diarrheal illness in young puppies, though they do not protect against the respiratory virus Respiratory Canine Coronavirus (CRCoV), The latter was discovered in dogs in England in 2003, usually causing mild respiratory disease,is genetically related to human cold coronaviruses (not COVID-19) and to the bovine coronavirus that causes both respiratory and enteric disease in cattle and other ruminants ((BCoVs), for which there is a vaccine to control the enteric effects, but not the respiratory variant. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4094360/

Cats get a coronavirus that causes FIP (Feline Infectious Peritonitis), again NOT transmissible to other animals for which there is a vaccine that confers some protection in settings with wide spread, but is not considered adequate for use in lower risk settings.

There has long been a swine coronavirus vaccine (enteric) and those against the respiratory coronavirus (for which there are multiple coronavirus variants) in poultry as discussed below and here:
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fvets.2019.00341/full

Abstract

Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) emerged in China and spread globally as a human pandemic. It is caused by a new coronavirus (CoV) of suspect animal origin. The emergence of SARS stunned medical scientists, but veterinary virologists had previously recognized CoVs as causing fatal respiratory or enteric disease in animals with interspecies transmission and wildlife reservoirs. Because of its public health impact, major efforts are focused on development of SARS vaccines. Occurrence of CoV disease at mucosal surfaces necessitates the stimulation of local immunity, having an impact on the vaccine type, delivery and adjuvant needed to achieve mucosal immunity. Such immunity is often short-lived, requires frequent boosting and may not prevent re-infection, all factors complicating CoV vaccine design. SARS vaccine efforts should be enhanced by understanding the correlates of protection and reasons for the success or failure of animal CoV vaccines. This review will focus on studies of immunity and protection in swine to the enteric CoV, transmissible gastroenteritis (TGEV) versus the respiratory variant, porcine respiratory CoV (PRCV), comparing live, inactivated and subunit vaccines, various vaccine vectors, routes and adjuvants. In addition avian infectious bronchitis CoV (IBV) vaccines targeted for protection of the upper respiratory tract of chickens are discussed. Unfortunately, despite long-term efforts, effective vaccines to prevent enteric CoV infections remain elusive, and generally live, but not killed vaccines, have induced the most consistent protection against animal CoVs. Confirmation of the pathogenesis of SARS in humans or animals models that mimic SARS may further aid in vaccine design and evaluation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15742624


Bottom line, there are LOTS of coronaviruses and SOME effective vaccines generally for those that cause more enteric illness. Not all coronaviruses cause potentially lethal illness in their hosts, but can serve as good models for vaccine development. But the challenge is signficant and far from a "sure thing." Not to mention that there is a significant risk for what we have seen in the disastrous attempts at a Dengue vaccine, for which there are four distinct serotypes and immunity from infection with one does not prevent later infection with another. That vaccine incorporated components of all four serotypes and induced what is known as antibody-dependent enhancement (ADE), in which the immune response to the first virus amplifies the effect of the second type in an overwhelming and potentially lethal manner.


That said, PLEASE correct your subject line. Vaccines are designed to PREVENT disease by inciting the body's immune system. They are not designed to be "TREATMENTS." This is a serious misunderstanding among the public made worse by Trummp's constant BS.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #25)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:50 AM

42. Great information.

I've been wondering about this. Bet others have too.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #25)

Sat May 16, 2020, 11:06 AM

49. THANK YOU. I was looking around for just this info -- I knew that vets had a few vaccines for

some of the different animal coronaviruses, but you've found it before I did.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 08:03 AM

26. In his testimony, Dr. Bright confirmed there has never been a coronavirus vaccine.

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Response to Native (Reply #26)

Sat May 16, 2020, 08:42 AM

32. Excellent!

I missed that as I was working and couldn't catch all the testimony.... We need to repeat this! Good information and it is in the Congressional Record.

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #32)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:56 PM

58. I have responded to you repeatedly. PLease correct your OP. Vaccines are NOT treatments.

I don't mean to harp on this, but it is important. Thanks

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Response to Native (Reply #26)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:54 PM

57. Never a HUMAN coronavirus vaccine. See my post upthread on veterinary vaccines for other coronavirus

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 08:03 AM

27. Putting Trump aside, if its not gonna happen why havent ANY doctors said so?

Any outside of government have no trump fear. I havent seen any doctors say "we are never going to have a vaccine that works"

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #27)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:06 AM

34. Someone posted in this thread...

that Dr Bright said in his Congressional Testimony that we have never had a vaccine for any corona-virus to date...We or I am not saying never but this information puts a realistic view on the false hope stuff being sold out there that we will have a vaccine in January 2021...Noting now...in the past 20 years, we have been unsuccessful for a vaccine for other corona-viruses...

See post # 26...

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Response to FarPoint (Reply #34)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:46 PM

55. thank you

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #27)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:11 AM

36. Because ... never say never.

It’s possible. It’s just not very likely.



-Laelth

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 08:13 AM

28. Maybe it's time to investigate alternative treatments but that won't happen until big Pharma's

control of the conventional medical establishment is cut off. nt

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Response to in2herbs (Reply #28)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:40 AM

41. Too late. They Own Trump's Team. IMO it will have to be a group of Governors to push that forward.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 08:47 AM

33. That's what I've been reading too

a vaccine is unlikely. Treatments are much more in the realm of reality.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #33)

Sat May 16, 2020, 10:04 AM

45. No news about Remdesivir yet

It has been distributed widely for testing. We should know soon if this treatment is going to work.

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Response to disndat (Reply #45)

Sat May 16, 2020, 11:16 AM

51. The treatment aspect is where we should focus on something timely..

Oh... I so want a vaccine too but it is not in the near future....Pharmacological therapy is the best bet for now...It is the first step anyways.... We went this route with HIV...

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:14 AM

37. Make no mistake about a promise from trump

He'll pressure the developers to rush bypassing anything including safety, and claim it's a miracle from him being so smart and great. He might even claim he was the one who was behind their vaccine all along , then suggest or get others to say he deserves a noble prize for it. The reality will be its dangerous and not tested fully at all. And using others he'll have stock from that company bought, or demand huge campaign donations to get his vaccine promotion, or else he'll use his powers to prevent their production of it, over one he can grift from for profit. Trumps empty promises are something he's done for many years. It's all another scan , a con from this serial liar.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:18 AM

38. Why would there be?

the prototype SARS vaccine notwithstanding. It was ready for large scale trials, but SARS disappeared and it was shelved.

The other coronaviruses in humans are nuisance diseases, like the common cold. They suck for seven days and then we're better. There are so many strains out there that a vaccine has been impractical.

Most viruses are species specific, species jumps likely didn't happen often until we domesticated farm animals. It's well known from the archaeological record that health and lifespan both declined due to the agricultural revolution. There is no reason to vaccinate bats and pangolins and other animals against coronaviruses, they seem to cope with them the way we cope with the common cold.

They already know how the virus infects cells. Our own immune systems are what make us feel like shit, increasing our body temperature and creating rivers of mucus in an attempt to flush virus from our bodies.

Science is doing all the things you want it to, it just takes time.

In the meantime, just be sensible, stay away from crowds, wash your hands properly, mask if you've got one, and stop worrying yourself even sicker.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:20 AM

39. People keep saying "WHEN we get a vaccine..." but that should be:

IF we ever get a vaccine; if a vaccine is even possible — which we don't know yet.

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Response to MrModerate (Reply #39)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:21 AM

40. I completely agree with that!

We can handle the truth...Lies,, misinformation, false hope...not so easy to swallow.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 09:51 AM

43. K & R

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 10:23 AM

48. The SARS vaccine never got past animal testing, it didn't work, then the money and virus went away

Maybe they'll have more luck this time, mice, ferrets and monkeys first

"SARS vaccine linked to liver damage in ferrets"

Or instead of protecting against the virus the vaccine actually made it worse. So go to warp speed, cut steps, push risks aside. You first.



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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 11:39 AM

53. Sars..

disappeared and MERS never became widely spread. The other human CVS are minor and a vaccine isn't needed.

They will get one, but not by January.

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Response to FarPoint (Original post)

Sat May 16, 2020, 12:14 PM

54. The fastest way to put this virus in check is monoclonal antibodies.

Just like Ebola.

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