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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHHS secretary says Trump's 'Warp Speed' vaccine 'may not be safe and effective but we'll have it'
Published 6 mins ago on May 17, 2020
By David Edwards
Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar on Sunday admitted that the Trump administrations so-called Warp Speed vaccine effort could produce hundreds of millions of doses that are neither safe nor effective.
Azar made the remarks during an appearance on Face the Nation with host Margaret Brennan.
Is the pledge 300 million Americans will be able to get a shot in their arm by the end of the year? Brennan asked.
Thats a goal, Azar explained. What happened is these drug companies and vaccine makers said its all going to take this amount of time because theyre using their traditional approaches.
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/hhs-secretary-says-trumps-warp-speed-vaccine-may-not-be-safe-and-effective-but-well-have-it/
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The president said thats not acceptable, he continued. Were going to scale up commercial manufacturing and produce hundreds of millions of doses at risk. They may not pan out, they may not prove to be safe and effective but well have it so we can begin administration right away.
Watch the video below from CBS.
Tell you what zippy, why don't you and your fucking boss go on live tv and take the first inoculation shots.............of the vaccine............I will not be used as an experiment to justify his or your egos.................FUCK YOU........
Journeyman
(15,031 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,988 posts)Geez, if "safe" doesn't matter, then it might as well be bleach!!!
On top of that, they'll make 300 million doses without knowing if it works.
So, don't care about safety, don't care about efficacy, don't care about cost.
Design engineers say there are three things to a project. Low cost, timing, and quality. You can never have all 3.
In this case, they're barely getting one!
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,661 posts)Jesus on a pogo stick!
Hugin
(33,112 posts)You're just so much faster than me today, VO.
I need to up my game.
crickets
(25,959 posts)"Yeah, it might do nothing, it might kill ya, but by gum we're gonna have a vaccine in time for the election!"
I feel like we live in wacky world now.
malaise
(268,885 posts)and the poor of our hemisphere. Then fifty years later someone will apologize and they'll start again.
Hugin
(33,112 posts)Obviously the point is so that Spanky von Lysol can be seen as doing something he can brag about during his hate fest rallies.
Stupidest PSA... Ever.
Zoonart
(11,845 posts)DrToast
(6,414 posts)Not unusual. Other countries are doing the same. Bill Gates has been advocating for this.
ProfessorGAC
(64,988 posts)...he's also acknowledged that safety is not a concern.
That is unusual.
lettucebe
(2,336 posts)They go ahead and produce, hoping it's going to be a good vaccine. If it doesn't pan out, they lose. They don't just start doling it out to people until it's proven safe and effective, hence the long-time period. They have never developed a coronavirus vaccine. Likelihood of doing it this time not great, but in a few months? Huge joke and all experts know that.
DrToast
(6,414 posts)There is a Chinese vaccine that already protects monkeys and theyre starting human trials now.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/covid-19-vaccine-protects-monkeys-new-coronavirus-chinese-biotech-reports
The NIH/Moderna vaccine is starting phase 2 human trials soon.
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)administration papers over any evidence of safety or efficacy issues and reminds us once again how Dear Leader has saved us. The safety and efficacy issues will emerge eventually, but conveniently after the election season is well past.
matt819
(10,749 posts)I ran out of olive oil, so Im going to sauté my veggies in bleach.
Damn. I just checked. Out of flour. Ill jut use asbestos. It may not be great banana bread but at least well have it.
Okay. Trump we know about. Hes a malignant narcissist. Hes a monster. He is evil.
Brit all these other sycophants? How do they explain/excuse their stupidity and sycophancy?
Maru Kitteh
(28,333 posts)Now there's a picture for a Sunday morning.
Turbineguy
(37,312 posts)as defined by trump.
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)I'm not sure half-assing those steps is the selling they think it is.
C_U_L8R
(44,997 posts)Let him go kill off his idiot fanbase. This is loony.
tanyev
(42,541 posts)Hestia
(3,818 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)another Pivot in the coming week. Trump's Administration will be pushing a new hoax message,not to worry,we have a Vaccine coming,but in the mean time,we have to Investigate Obama,Biden,Clinton,and anyone who we think screwed over Mike Flynn.
Sunday Talk Shows forecast the talking points for the White House in the coming week.
sop
(10,146 posts)(Business Insider) "The ex-pharma exec leading Trump's COVID-19 vaccine program has $10 million in stock options for a company getting federal funding." Conflict of interest is Trump's middle name.
https://www.businessinsider.com/moncef-slaoui-leading-trump-vaccine-push-10m-holding-moderna-conflict-2020-5
Initech
(100,059 posts)central scrutinizer
(11,645 posts)Never thought that would happen
Initech
(100,059 posts)And you can buy that over the counter at CVS.
HAB911
(8,876 posts)I won't consider trying it until proven safe and effective, don't think most will
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)dhill926
(16,336 posts)jesus....
RockRaven
(14,954 posts)regardless of it's safety and effectiveness.
It could be as useful as tap water or as safe as undiluted bleach, and THEY DON'T CARE. That will not stand in the way of them mass manufacturing and distributing something, just so they can say they did so before Election Day.
They will completely subvert or overrule or Saturday Night Massacre the experts at the FDA to get nominal approval of something, ANYTHING, no matter how bad or incomplete the trial data is.
I'm just about the most anti-anti-vaxx person I know, so it pains me to speak ill of a vaccination program, but Azar just confirmed what everyone should have suspected based on Trump's prior behavior. If a vaccine is approved prior to election day, that approval must unfortunately be considered tainted by political considerations and is not trustworthy as science-based medicine. Even an independent evaluation of the evidence is not going to be reliable because one cannot trust the completeness and genuineness of any data provided by a Trump-controlled FDA under these circumstances.
It is incredibly immoral to manufacture and distribute hundreds of millions of doses of a vaccine before there is evidence that it is safe and effective because there is tremendous inertia involved. Once that train is rolling, it is impossible to stop because of the "what other options do you really have?"-problem and sunk-cost behavior.
Even if the safety profile is bad and the effectiveness is subpar, once that vaccine is distributed, it is inevitable that it will be used at large scale. Medical experts know this. Azar just doesn't care.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,839 posts)the 1976 Swine Flu debacle. And yes, I know that the science has come a rather long way since then, but it's a textbook case of why rushing a cure or vaccine to the market is not a good idea.
I also recall when women were being advised to have hormone therapy essentially the entire second half of their lives to counter the horrors of menopause. Then they discovered that the women on the therapy were getting strokes and heart attacks at vastly increased rates.
Maeve
(42,279 posts)It's a tRump steak, er stick.
Sancho
(9,067 posts)NCjack
(10,279 posts)Pres. Trump is a quack.
tavernier
(12,375 posts)and trump will charge $10 a shot of salt water to go into his pocket.
sinkingfeeling
(51,444 posts)millions of doses of vaccines that will probably never be approved?
badhair77
(4,214 posts)shanti
(21,675 posts)This would be laughable if it wasn't so appalling.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,402 posts)Just to say they produced *something* first- whether it works or not or injures/kills people instead?
We all need and want a vaccine quickly. But science and best practice and not killing people demand that we handle these things properly. Some people do not understand and/or care about this. Everybody's anxious and nervous about getting rid of COVID and getting life back to some semblance of "normal" but if they really don't want a "cure that's worse than the disease" they need to slow and methodical and careful before they distribute a vaccine.