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Sun May 17, 2020, 11:21 AM

HHS secretary says Trump's 'Warp Speed' vaccine 'may not be safe and effective but we'll have it'

Published 6 mins ago on May 17, 2020
By David Edwards





Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar on Sunday admitted that the Trump administration’s so-called “Warp Speed” vaccine effort could produce hundreds of millions of doses that are neither safe nor effective.

Azar made the remarks during an appearance on Face the Nation with host Margaret Brennan.

“Is the pledge 300 million Americans will be able to get a shot in their arm by the end of the year?” Brennan asked.

“That’s a goal,” Azar explained. “What happened is these drug companies and vaccine makers said it’s all going to take this amount of time because they’re using their traditional approaches.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/hhs-secretary-says-trumps-warp-speed-vaccine-may-not-be-safe-and-effective-but-well-have-it/


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“The president said that’s not acceptable,” he continued. “We’re going to scale up commercial manufacturing and produce hundreds of millions of doses at risk. They may not pan out, they may not prove to be safe and effective but we’ll have it so we can begin administration right away.”

Watch the video below from CBS.



Tell you what zippy, why don't you and your fucking boss go on live tv and take the first inoculation shots.............of the vaccine............I will not be used as an experiment to justify his or your egos.................FUCK YOU........

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Reply HHS secretary says Trump's 'Warp Speed' vaccine 'may not be safe and effective but we'll have it' (Original post)
turbinetree May 2020 OP
Journeyman May 2020 #1
ProfessorGAC May 2020 #7
The Velveteen Ocelot May 2020 #2
Hugin May 2020 #6
crickets May 2020 #23
malaise May 2020 #3
Hugin May 2020 #4
Zoonart May 2020 #9
DrToast May 2020 #5
ProfessorGAC May 2020 #10
lettucebe May 2020 #8
DrToast May 2020 #12
Maru Kitteh May 2020 #38
matt819 May 2020 #11
Maru Kitteh May 2020 #16
Turbineguy May 2020 #13
Bleacher Creature May 2020 #14
C_U_L8R May 2020 #15
tanyev May 2020 #17
Hestia May 2020 #37
Wellstone ruled May 2020 #18
sop May 2020 #19
Initech May 2020 #20
central scrutinizer May 2020 #21
Initech May 2020 #26
HAB911 May 2020 #22
bronxiteforever May 2020 #24
dhill926 May 2020 #25
RockRaven May 2020 #27
PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #28
Maeve May 2020 #29
Sancho May 2020 #30
NCjack May 2020 #31
tavernier May 2020 #32
sinkingfeeling May 2020 #33
badhair77 May 2020 #34
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:25 AM

1. So they ARE going to inject Clorox . . .

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Response to Journeyman (Reply #1)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:32 AM

7. My First Thought, Too

Geez, if "safe" doesn't matter, then it might as well be bleach!!!
On top of that, they'll make 300 million doses without knowing if it works.
So, don't care about safety, don't care about efficacy, don't care about cost.
Design engineers say there are three things to a project. Low cost, timing, and quality. You can never have all 3.
In this case, they're barely getting one!

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:26 AM

2. Oh, great. I thought the whole point of a vaccine was that it was safe and effective.

Jesus on a pogo stick!
This is the DU member formerly known as The Velveteen Ocelot.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

6. Touche...

You're just so much faster than me today, VO.

I need to up my game.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:58 AM

23. IKR? Does Azar realize he said this out loud?

"Yeah, it might do nothing, it might kill ya, but by gum we're gonna have a vaccine in time for the election!"

I feel like we live in wacky world now.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:28 AM

3. Of course he'll have it and they will experiment with African-Americans, Indigenous Americans

and the poor of our hemisphere. Then fifty years later someone will apologize and they'll start again.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:29 AM

4. If it's not effective then what's the fricking point?

Obviously the point is so that Spanky von Lysol can be seen as doing something he can brag about during his hate fest rallies.

Stupidest PSA... Ever.

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Response to Hugin (Reply #4)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:33 AM

9. Smoke and mirrors.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:31 AM

5. He's saying it will be manufactured before trials are done

Not unusual. Other countries are doing the same. Bill Gates has been advocating for this.

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Response to DrToast (Reply #5)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:34 AM

10. True, But...

...he's also acknowledged that safety is not a concern.
That is unusual.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:33 AM

8. Producing vaccine "at risk" is supposed to mean it's their risk, not ours

They go ahead and produce, hoping it's going to be a good vaccine. If it doesn't pan out, they lose. They don't just start doling it out to people until it's proven safe and effective, hence the long-time period. They have never developed a coronavirus vaccine. Likelihood of doing it this time not great, but in a few months? Huge joke and all experts know that.
This is the DU member formerly known as lettucebe.

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Response to lettucebe (Reply #8)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:35 AM

12. Don't be so sure

There is a Chinese vaccine that already protects monkeys and they’re starting human trials now.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/covid-19-vaccine-protects-monkeys-new-coronavirus-chinese-biotech-reports

The NIH/Moderna vaccine is starting phase 2 human trials soon.

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Response to lettucebe (Reply #8)

Mon May 18, 2020, 10:37 AM

38. Trump will demand it be given right after his sufficiently loyal

administration papers over any evidence of safety or efficacy issues and reminds us once again how Dear Leader has saved us. The safety and efficacy issues will emerge eventually, but conveniently after the election season is well past.



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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:35 AM

11. Oh. Okay.

I ran out of olive oil, so I’m going to sauté my veggies in bleach.

Damn. I just checked. Out of flour. I’ll jut use asbestos. It may not be great banana bread but at least we’ll have it.

Okay. Trump we know about. He’s a malignant narcissist. He’s a monster. He is evil.

Brit all these other sycophants? How do they explain/excuse their stupidity and sycophancy?

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Response to matt819 (Reply #11)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:42 AM

16. great banana breast?

Now there's a picture for a Sunday morning.


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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:38 AM

13. It will be safe and effective

as defined by trump.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:39 AM

14. "Traditional approaches" means testing for safety and efficacy.

I'm not sure half-assing those steps is the selling they think it is.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:41 AM

15. I'm not gonna be a guinea pig for Trump's medical experiments

Let him go kill off his idiot fanbase. This is loony.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:46 AM

17. Awesome! I'll hop in my Ford Pinto to go get one as soon as it's available!

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Response to tanyev (Reply #17)

Sun May 17, 2020, 03:07 PM

37. Chevy Corvair is better ;)

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:46 AM

18. So we are about to see

 

another Pivot in the coming week. Trump's Administration will be pushing a new hoax message,not to worry,we have a Vaccine coming,but in the mean time,we have to Investigate Obama,Biden,Clinton,and anyone who we think screwed over Mike Flynn.

Sunday Talk Shows forecast the talking points for the White House in the coming week.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:47 AM

19. As with everything involving Trump and his greedy henchmen, it's all about making money.

(Business Insider) "The ex-pharma exec leading Trump's COVID-19 vaccine program has $10 million in stock options for a company getting federal funding." Conflict of interest is Trump's middle name.

https://www.businessinsider.com/moncef-slaoui-leading-trump-vaccine-push-10m-holding-moderna-conflict-2020-5

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:49 AM

20. Is it an injection of straight bleach?

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:50 AM

21. All of a sudden I'm an anti-vaxxer

Never thought that would happen

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Response to central scrutinizer (Reply #21)

Sun May 17, 2020, 12:16 PM

26. As I've been saying I wouldn't trust Trump to give me a bottle of Advil.

And you can buy that over the counter at CVS.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:52 AM

22. what are they going to do with it?

I won't consider trying it until proven safe and effective, don't think most will

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 11:58 AM

24. Ditching the scientific method for alchemy n/t

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 12:13 PM

25. um...no thanks, Dr. Mengele....

jesus....

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 12:17 PM

27. He said the quiet part out loud. They are going to make and administer a "vaccine"

regardless of it's safety and effectiveness.

It could be as useful as tap water or as safe as undiluted bleach, and THEY DON'T CARE. That will not stand in the way of them mass manufacturing and distributing something, just so they can say they did so before Election Day.

They will completely subvert or overrule or Saturday Night Massacre the experts at the FDA to get nominal approval of something, ANYTHING, no matter how bad or incomplete the trial data is.

I'm just about the most anti-anti-vaxx person I know, so it pains me to speak ill of a vaccination program, but Azar just confirmed what everyone should have suspected based on Trump's prior behavior. If a vaccine is approved prior to election day, that approval must unfortunately be considered tainted by political considerations and is not trustworthy as science-based medicine. Even an independent evaluation of the evidence is not going to be reliable because one cannot trust the completeness and genuineness of any data provided by a Trump-controlled FDA under these circumstances.

It is incredibly immoral to manufacture and distribute hundreds of millions of doses of a vaccine before there is evidence that it is safe and effective because there is tremendous inertia involved. Once that train is rolling, it is impossible to stop because of the "what other options do you really have?"-problem and sunk-cost behavior.

Even if the safety profile is bad and the effectiveness is subpar, once that vaccine is distributed, it is inevitable that it will be used at large scale. Medical experts know this. Azar just doesn't care.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 12:17 PM

28. Sometimes I think I'm the only person that remembers

the 1976 Swine Flu debacle. And yes, I know that the science has come a rather long way since then, but it's a textbook case of why rushing a cure or vaccine to the market is not a good idea.

I also recall when women were being advised to have hormone therapy essentially the entire second half of their lives to counter the horrors of menopause. Then they discovered that the women on the therapy were getting strokes and heart attacks at vastly increased rates.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 12:19 PM

29. A vaccine that is neither safe nor effective is NOT a vaccine!

It's a tRump steak, er stick.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 12:23 PM

30. Isn't it suspicious that Clorox is making the new vaccine??!?

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 12:26 PM

31. We are so fortunate that

Pres. Trump is a quack.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 12:30 PM

32. They will be saline

and trump will charge $10 a shot of salt water to go into his pocket.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 01:17 PM

33. Wonder how much money it takes to ramp up manufacturing of

millions of doses of vaccines that will probably never be approved?

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 01:42 PM

34. Let the trump family go first.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 01:43 PM

35. Wow

This would be laughable if it wasn't so appalling.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Sun May 17, 2020, 01:51 PM

36. Then what good would they be?

Just to say they produced *something* first- whether it works or not or injures/kills people instead?

We all need and want a vaccine quickly. But science and best practice and not killing people demand that we handle these things properly. Some people do not understand and/or care about this. Everybody's anxious and nervous about getting rid of COVID and getting life back to some semblance of "normal" but if they really don't want a "cure that's worse than the disease" they need to slow and methodical and careful before they distribute a vaccine.

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