Sun May 17, 2020, 11:21 AM
turbinetree (19,138 posts)
HHS secretary says Trump's 'Warp Speed' vaccine 'may not be safe and effective but we'll have it'
Published 6 mins ago on May 17, 2020
By David Edwards ![]() Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar on Sunday admitted that the Trump administration’s so-called “Warp Speed” vaccine effort could produce hundreds of millions of doses that are neither safe nor effective. Azar made the remarks during an appearance on Face the Nation with host Margaret Brennan. “Is the pledge 300 million Americans will be able to get a shot in their arm by the end of the year?” Brennan asked. “That’s a goal,” Azar explained. “What happened is these drug companies and vaccine makers said it’s all going to take this amount of time because they’re using their traditional approaches.” https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/hhs-secretary-says-trumps-warp-speed-vaccine-may-not-be-safe-and-effective-but-well-have-it/ -snip- “The president said that’s not acceptable,” he continued. “We’re going to scale up commercial manufacturing and produce hundreds of millions of doses at risk. They may not pan out, they may not prove to be safe and effective but we’ll have it so we can begin administration right away.” Watch the video below from CBS. Tell you what zippy, why don't you and your fucking boss go on live tv and take the first inoculation shots.............of the vaccine............I will not be used as an experiment to justify his or your egos.................FUCK YOU........ ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Author | Time | Post |
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turbinetree | May 2020 | OP |
Journeyman | May 2020 | #1 | |
ProfessorGAC | May 2020 | #7 | |
The Velveteen Ocelot | May 2020 | #2 | |
Hugin | May 2020 | #6 | |
crickets | May 2020 | #23 | |
malaise | May 2020 | #3 | |
Hugin | May 2020 | #4 | |
Zoonart | May 2020 | #9 | |
DrToast | May 2020 | #5 | |
ProfessorGAC | May 2020 | #10 | |
lettucebe | May 2020 | #8 | |
DrToast | May 2020 | #12 | |
Maru Kitteh | May 2020 | #38 | |
matt819 | May 2020 | #11 | |
Maru Kitteh | May 2020 | #16 | |
Turbineguy | May 2020 | #13 | |
Bleacher Creature | May 2020 | #14 | |
C_U_L8R | May 2020 | #15 | |
tanyev | May 2020 | #17 | |
Hestia | May 2020 | #37 | |
Wellstone ruled | May 2020 | #18 | |
sop | May 2020 | #19 | |
Initech | May 2020 | #20 | |
central scrutinizer | May 2020 | #21 | |
Initech | May 2020 | #26 | |
HAB911 | May 2020 | #22 | |
bronxiteforever | May 2020 | #24 | |
dhill926 | May 2020 | #25 | |
RockRaven | May 2020 | #27 | |
PoindexterOglethorpe | May 2020 | #28 | |
Maeve | May 2020 | #29 | |
Sancho | May 2020 | #30 | |
NCjack | May 2020 | #31 | |
tavernier | May 2020 | #32 | |
sinkingfeeling | May 2020 | #33 | |
badhair77 | May 2020 | #34 | |
shanti | May 2020 | #35 | |
Proud Liberal Dem | May 2020 | #36 |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:25 AM
Journeyman (13,760 posts)
1. So they ARE going to inject Clorox . . .
Response to Journeyman (Reply #1)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:32 AM
ProfessorGAC (46,911 posts)
7. My First Thought, Too
Geez, if "safe" doesn't matter, then it might as well be bleach!!!
On top of that, they'll make 300 million doses without knowing if it works. So, don't care about safety, don't care about efficacy, don't care about cost. Design engineers say there are three things to a project. Low cost, timing, and quality. You can never have all 3. In this case, they're barely getting one! |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:26 AM
The Velveteen Ocelot (92,460 posts)
2. Oh, great. I thought the whole point of a vaccine was that it was safe and effective.
Jesus on a pogo stick!
This is the DU member formerly known as The Velveteen Ocelot.
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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:31 AM
Hugin (27,627 posts)
6. Touche...
You're just so much faster than me today, VO.
I need to up my game. ![]() |
Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #2)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:58 AM
crickets (16,447 posts)
23. IKR? Does Azar realize he said this out loud?
"Yeah, it might do nothing, it might kill ya, but by gum we're gonna have a vaccine in time for the election!"
I feel like we live in wacky world now. |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:28 AM
malaise (225,238 posts)
3. Of course he'll have it and they will experiment with African-Americans, Indigenous Americans
and the poor of our hemisphere. Then fifty years later someone will apologize and they'll start again.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:29 AM
Hugin (27,627 posts)
4. If it's not effective then what's the fricking point?
Obviously the point is so that Spanky von Lysol can be seen as doing something he can brag about during his hate fest rallies.
Stupidest PSA... Ever. ![]() |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:31 AM
DrToast (6,355 posts)
5. He's saying it will be manufactured before trials are done
Not unusual. Other countries are doing the same. Bill Gates has been advocating for this.
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Response to DrToast (Reply #5)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:34 AM
ProfessorGAC (46,911 posts)
10. True, But...
...he's also acknowledged that safety is not a concern.
That is unusual. |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:33 AM
lettucebe (1,444 posts)
8. Producing vaccine "at risk" is supposed to mean it's their risk, not ours
They go ahead and produce, hoping it's going to be a good vaccine. If it doesn't pan out, they lose. They don't just start doling it out to people until it's proven safe and effective, hence the long-time period. They have never developed a coronavirus vaccine. Likelihood of doing it this time not great, but in a few months? Huge joke and all experts know that.
This is the DU member formerly known as lettucebe.
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Response to lettucebe (Reply #8)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:35 AM
DrToast (6,355 posts)
12. Don't be so sure
There is a Chinese vaccine that already protects monkeys and they’re starting human trials now.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/04/covid-19-vaccine-protects-monkeys-new-coronavirus-chinese-biotech-reports The NIH/Moderna vaccine is starting phase 2 human trials soon. |
Response to lettucebe (Reply #8)
Mon May 18, 2020, 10:37 AM
Maru Kitteh (24,235 posts)
38. Trump will demand it be given right after his sufficiently loyal
administration papers over any evidence of safety or efficacy issues and reminds us once again how Dear Leader has saved us. The safety and efficacy issues will emerge eventually, but conveniently after the election season is well past.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:35 AM
matt819 (9,424 posts)
11. Oh. Okay.
I ran out of olive oil, so I’m going to sauté my veggies in bleach.
Damn. I just checked. Out of flour. I’ll jut use asbestos. It may not be great banana bread but at least we’ll have it. Okay. Trump we know about. He’s a malignant narcissist. He’s a monster. He is evil. Brit all these other sycophants? How do they explain/excuse their stupidity and sycophancy? |
Response to matt819 (Reply #11)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:42 AM
Maru Kitteh (24,235 posts)
16. great banana breast?
Now there's a picture for a Sunday morning.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:38 AM
Turbineguy (32,140 posts)
13. It will be safe and effective
as defined by trump.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:39 AM
Bleacher Creature (9,441 posts)
14. "Traditional approaches" means testing for safety and efficacy.
I'm not sure half-assing those steps is the selling they think it is.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:41 AM
C_U_L8R (39,960 posts)
15. I'm not gonna be a guinea pig for Trump's medical experiments
Let him go kill off his idiot fanbase. This is loony.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:46 AM
tanyev (33,730 posts)
17. Awesome! I'll hop in my Ford Pinto to go get one as soon as it's available!
Response to tanyev (Reply #17)
Sun May 17, 2020, 03:07 PM
Hestia (3,347 posts)
37. Chevy Corvair is better ;)
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:46 AM
Wellstone ruled (34,661 posts)
18. So we are about to see
another Pivot in the coming week. Trump's Administration will be pushing a new hoax message,not to worry,we have a Vaccine coming,but in the mean time,we have to Investigate Obama,Biden,Clinton,and anyone who we think screwed over Mike Flynn.
Sunday Talk Shows forecast the talking points for the White House in the coming week. This is the DU member formerly known as Wellstone ruled.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:47 AM
sop (4,198 posts)
19. As with everything involving Trump and his greedy henchmen, it's all about making money.
(Business Insider) "The ex-pharma exec leading Trump's COVID-19 vaccine program has $10 million in stock options for a company getting federal funding." Conflict of interest is Trump's middle name.
https://www.businessinsider.com/moncef-slaoui-leading-trump-vaccine-push-10m-holding-moderna-conflict-2020-5 |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:49 AM
Initech (86,486 posts)
20. Is it an injection of straight bleach?
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:50 AM
central scrutinizer (10,053 posts)
21. All of a sudden I'm an anti-vaxxer
Never thought that would happen
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Response to central scrutinizer (Reply #21)
Sun May 17, 2020, 12:16 PM
Initech (86,486 posts)
26. As I've been saying I wouldn't trust Trump to give me a bottle of Advil.
And you can buy that over the counter at CVS.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:52 AM
HAB911 (6,406 posts)
22. what are they going to do with it?
I won't consider trying it until proven safe and effective, don't think most will
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 11:58 AM
bronxiteforever (7,133 posts)
24. Ditching the scientific method for alchemy n/t
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 12:13 PM
dhill926 (11,763 posts)
25. um...no thanks, Dr. Mengele....
jesus....
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 12:17 PM
RockRaven (8,070 posts)
27. He said the quiet part out loud. They are going to make and administer a "vaccine"
regardless of it's safety and effectiveness.
It could be as useful as tap water or as safe as undiluted bleach, and THEY DON'T CARE. That will not stand in the way of them mass manufacturing and distributing something, just so they can say they did so before Election Day. They will completely subvert or overrule or Saturday Night Massacre the experts at the FDA to get nominal approval of something, ANYTHING, no matter how bad or incomplete the trial data is. I'm just about the most anti-anti-vaxx person I know, so it pains me to speak ill of a vaccination program, but Azar just confirmed what everyone should have suspected based on Trump's prior behavior. If a vaccine is approved prior to election day, that approval must unfortunately be considered tainted by political considerations and is not trustworthy as science-based medicine. Even an independent evaluation of the evidence is not going to be reliable because one cannot trust the completeness and genuineness of any data provided by a Trump-controlled FDA under these circumstances. It is incredibly immoral to manufacture and distribute hundreds of millions of doses of a vaccine before there is evidence that it is safe and effective because there is tremendous inertia involved. Once that train is rolling, it is impossible to stop because of the "what other options do you really have?"-problem and sunk-cost behavior. Even if the safety profile is bad and the effectiveness is subpar, once that vaccine is distributed, it is inevitable that it will be used at large scale. Medical experts know this. Azar just doesn't care. |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 12:17 PM
PoindexterOglethorpe (18,110 posts)
28. Sometimes I think I'm the only person that remembers
the 1976 Swine Flu debacle. And yes, I know that the science has come a rather long way since then, but it's a textbook case of why rushing a cure or vaccine to the market is not a good idea.
I also recall when women were being advised to have hormone therapy essentially the entire second half of their lives to counter the horrors of menopause. Then they discovered that the women on the therapy were getting strokes and heart attacks at vastly increased rates. |
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 12:19 PM
Maeve (40,429 posts)
29. A vaccine that is neither safe nor effective is NOT a vaccine!
It's a tRump steak, er stick.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 12:23 PM
Sancho (8,317 posts)
30. Isn't it suspicious that Clorox is making the new vaccine??!?
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 12:26 PM
NCjack (8,212 posts)
31. We are so fortunate that
Pres. Trump is a quack.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 12:30 PM
tavernier (9,150 posts)
32. They will be saline
and trump will charge $10 a shot of salt water to go into his pocket.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 01:17 PM
sinkingfeeling (43,860 posts)
33. Wonder how much money it takes to ramp up manufacturing of
millions of doses of vaccines that will probably never be approved?
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 01:42 PM
badhair77 (2,521 posts)
34. Let the trump family go first.
Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 01:43 PM
shanti (21,226 posts)
35. Wow
This would be laughable if it wasn't so appalling.
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Response to turbinetree (Original post)
Sun May 17, 2020, 01:51 PM
Proud Liberal Dem (20,715 posts)
36. Then what good would they be?
Just to say they produced *something* first- whether it works or not or injures/kills people instead?
We all need and want a vaccine quickly. But science and best practice and not killing people demand that we handle these things properly. Some people do not understand and/or care about this. Everybody's anxious and nervous about getting rid of COVID and getting life back to some semblance of "normal" but if they really don't want a "cure that's worse than the disease" they need to slow and methodical and careful before they distribute a vaccine. |