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[LAS14]

1. k & r

[Jake Stern]

2. Exactly

[TeamPooka]

3. Maybe you should speak to the manager about your concerns.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

4. Made me laugh. You..

[Croney]

7. 😁

[Buckeye_Democrat]

11. Lol!

I can't help but laugh, even though I mostly agree with the OP.

[NanceGreggs]

12. ...

[d_b]

15. LoL

[qazplm135]

20. Internet. Won.

WP

[betsuni]

26. !!!!!!

[unitedwethrive]

29. Are you secretly my teenager? This is her and her friends "go to" comeback

when someone is offended by being called a Karen.

[Buckeyeblue]

96. Mine too...

As I tell her, calling someone a name is not a come back. It's lazy.

[UTUSN]

71. Hah!1

[Brother Buzz]

74. DUzy worthy!

[Voltaire2]

82. This.

[bigtree]

89. ouch

[demmiblue]

94. !

[Codeine]

98. Ha!

[GoneOffShore]

112. And if that doesn't help, maybe call corporate?

[Orrex]

5. What about "OK Boomer?"

Because I know a Boomer who's a total Karen.

[BamaRefugee]

6. I know a Karen who's a total Karen.

[dalton99a]

9. I like Karen Carpenter

[gay texan]

56. so do i

never a fun experience...

[Jamastiene]

44. The real question is

was there a pitbull, an Olive Garden, or any kind of breastfeeding involved? I won't even go into circumcision.

[Orrex]

49. Something about cornflakes, too, if memory serves

[Jamastiene]

51. No more chicken threads!

But, I think we can still talk about Oscar. I think Oscar was interesting. I felt like I could almost ID him.

[Orrex]

54. #walt_starr

[Jamastiene]

57. CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!

[bluecollar2]

70. Kudzu?n/t

[Jamastiene]

76. I'm bullish on it.

It's going places.

[dmr]

93. No, but I think there was a buzzard at the door

[Dr. Strange]

126. Dont tutch the Boomer!

[Tarc]

8. This indignation of white people over the "Karen" label

is truly an amusing sight to behold.

[Croney]

17. And the indignation.

[jaysunb]

22. Lol nt

[obamanut2012]

84. No, it is women like me tired of the casual and gleeful sexism of it

And, it has become a sexist AF meme.

[GoneOffShore]

111. Well there are the male counterparts. Brock, Chad, and Walter.

[Tarc]

114. There is no sexism in it

That is sad, desperate white deflection.

[Codeine]

99. And "OK Boomer".

Yet it’s the Millennials who are “delicate.”

[LeftInTX]

121. "OK Boomer" is pretty good

I'm a boomer......

[Loki Liesmith]

100. It's fine actually

No one likes to be mocked.

It’s not a big deal either way thought But there’s no law that says you can’t be a jerk if you want to be one.

[GoneOffShore]

110. It's recreational outrage.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

10. Yes, how dare an oppressed population use shorthand to express itself.

[LeftInTX]

16. My SIL is Mexican and looks very native american...her name is Karen

[catbyte]

13. I'm sorry, but it's not like it's something a person can't control. It's despicable behavior

on the part of arrogant, entitled white women. Where's the "slur?" It's the women demonstrating the behavior who are being divisive, not the people pointing it out. Do what you must. We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

14. "Call out the behavior, not the sterotype."

But...that's exactly what the term "Karen" does.

[qazplm135]

19. Truth

.

[obamanut2012]

85. No, it doesn't

[ProfessorGAC]

88. Of Course It Does!

It's clearly intended to describe the actions of a non-thinking, privileged white woman.
To think otherwise is a knee-jerk reaction.

[kcr]

103. The same argument every other slur slinging asshole uses

[brush]

18. Oh, please. It's just about a type, like BBQ Becky or Pool Patrol Patty.

Nobody is going to stop because you don't get it.

But you do you.

[LeftInTX]

21. Just call it Kate Gosselin

Because it's Kate Gosselin in all the "Karen" pics.

She's white, rich and an annoying reality star.

She also finds her picture and the Karen thing funny, so she isn't OK with it.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_Gosselin

[Celerity]

80. if I saw her crying, I would ask if it was because of her haircut

[Celerity]

23. What about 'racist'? It is also a way to slam/label (rightly so) people who do specific fucked up

things.

Calling a racist a racist will often result in violent (verbal and or/physical) and divise confrontation. They will most often squeal and rage in utter denials, or violently attack.

Karens will do the same (most are too passive-aggressive to actually physically attack unless it is a little child they think they can domme up on). Fuck 'em both. Bad is bad, evil is evil, entitled is entitled. Calling an actual Karen doing actual Karen things a Karen IS calling out the behaviour.

[Archae]

24. When are people going to stop calling dumb people "Otto?"

I know a guy by that name, and he gets irritated when a character on a TV show or movie that is fat and/or dumb is called "Otto."

[GoneOffShore]

108. Wanda?

[progressoid]

122. I liked Otto from Repo Man

[TheBlackAdder]

25. Becky, Karen, Susan & Gertrudes... Karen's are bad, but nothing tops my age group: Susans!

.

They are Karen's on steroids. Self-affecting, entitled and they don't give a fuck who they brow beat!

.

[LeftInTX]

30. My sister is named Susan

She always went by Sue. And she's a lawyer, so the name fits!

[tblue37]

53. Becky, Karen, and Susan: scroll down the page a bit--

Last edited Mon May 18, 2020, 12:43 AM - Edit history (1)

https://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/2020/04/caucasity-karen-becky-susan.html


(BTW, my daughter is named Becky, and I love that name!)

[TheBlackAdder]

59. A picture says 1,000 words.

.



Ps. I can't get your link to work.

.

[tblue37]

63. Try this--scroll down the page a bit until you're blinded by blondes--

https://www.awesomelyluvvie.com/2020/04/caucasity-karen-becky-susan.html

[jpak]

27. So, how do you want us to respond to Karens?

I say fuck them.

Yup

[Buzz cook]

28. This is news to me.

Never knew Karen was a slur.

[PatSeg]

124. I just found out reading this thread

We truly are a silly, superficial people. With all the serious issues we have right now, how is this important?

[ismnotwasm]

31. Stay off R/askreddit then.

Cause Karen is a thing all over the place. Makes me feel sorry for nice people named Karen

[LeftInTX]

46. Started on Reddit by a guy against his ex-wife named Karen

The origins of Karen as an Internet meme predominately date back to an anonymous Reddit user, Fuck_You_Karen, who would make posts ranting about and denigrating his ex-wife Karen, who he alleged had "taken" both his children and, later, his house during divorce proceedings. The unintentional entertainment value provided by the posts led to the creation of a subreddit in 2017, r/FuckYouKaren, to both compile a narrative and share memes about the posts. Since Fuck_You_Karen deleted his account, the subreddit has since refocused to memes about the stereotype in general rather than one specific woman.[1]

[ismnotwasm]

55. Holy shit I didn't know that

I thought it was a generic for a crabby women who wants to see that manager and acts inappropriately entitled.

FROM Reddit you say? I am so not surprised

[LisaM]

58. Wow, now I hate it even more.

I've worked in customer service and in my experience, men are generally more likely to ask for a manager anyway.

[Mariana]

62. We all have our crosses to bear.

My real name isn't Karen, but my daughter, who works in a supermarket, assures me that my name is "Karenesque".

There are lots of nice guys named Dick, too.

[ismnotwasm]

118. Yeah

The Karen thing has been going around for a while now though, I also
know a couple guys named “Chad” One is aware of the internet usage, one was not.

Thing is, there was a small group of white women who compared to the “Karen slur” to the N word, which is not only ridiculous, but disgusting and racist as fuck. So I don’t get worked up about it.

I also know a of women named Anita.

Who married a man who’s last name is Dick.

She did NOT take his last name.

It’s still kinda funny though, bet I could make a pretty good limerick about that.

[LisaM]

32. I SO agree.

It's really tiresome, particularly given that a fair number of posts here lately suggest complaining to management if employees aren't making customers wear masks.

[Tipperary]

34. Ha.

Well said.

[obamanut2012]

86. I noticed that, too

[miyazaki]

33. bfd.

[sheshe2]

35. Oh please.

Not all white people are a Karen or a Becky. Not all white people are wypipo. Some are and some aren't. It is not divisive to call it what it is. It is a sad fact of life that we have racists among us.

I am white and I am not. Simple.

[betsuni]

47. #NotAllKarens

Here we go again.

[sheshe2]

61. If I facepalm myself one more time...gah!

Wypipo are so abused. Boohoo. They are so oppressed

They shall overcome someday for all the beatings, the fire hoses and dogs set on them. They will come to terms with the lynching's for being black. Oh wait, they are white and will never ever be subject to that. They never were harassed for sitting at a lunch counter or a front seat on a bus.

My opinion, Karen's, Becky's and wypipo can fugg off. They are White Privileged people. Fact is I am white and ashamed of anyone that claims superiority over any race.

[betsuni]

72. Add a particular "bro" to the list of terribly oppressed victims of these grievous slurs.

[JonLP24]

81. I think there 8s a big difference between Chad or Karen

I have seen women get called Bernie Bros and the people most upset over Bernie Bro are women like my mom and non white people. Besides it is a myth.

There is hard data that shows "Bernie Bros" are a myth

A few weeks ago I penned a story for Salon attempting to qualitatively disprove the Bernie Bro myth by pulling from psychological theory and the nature of online behavior. To summarize my conclusions: First, there is a general tendency for online behavior to be negative, known as the online disinhibition effect — but it affects all people equally, not merely Sanders' supporters. Second, pundits systematically ignore when other candidates' supporters are mean online, perhaps because of the aforementioned established stereotype; in this sense, the Bernie Bro is not dissimilar from other political canards like the "welfare queen." Third, Twitter is not a representative sample size of the population, and is so prone to harboring propaganda outfits and bots such that it is not a reliable way of gauging public opinion.

Now, to add to this qualitative assessment, there is quantitative evidence, too — reaped from studying hundreds of thousands of interactions online — that reveals the Bernie Bro myth as, well, a myth. Jeff Winchell, a computational social scientist and graduate student at Harvard University, crunched the numbers on tweet data and found that Sanders' supporters online behave the same as everyone else. Winchell used what is called a sentiment analysis, a technique used both in the digital humanities and in e-commerce, to gauge emotional intent from social media data.

(Snip)

.Given this data, what do you think of the "Bernie Bro" narrative about his online supporters?

Bernie followers act pretty much the same on Twitter as any other follower. There is one key difference that Twitter users and media don't seem to be aware of. Bernie has a lot more Twitter followers than Twitter followers of other Democrat's campaigns.

https://www.salon.com/2020/03/09/there-is-hard-data-that-shows-bernie-bros-are-a-myth/

I'm open to voting for Biden because of Barr destroying the Justice Department but this disrespect for 5 years doesn't help. I hope the Biden campaign is less divisive than the Clinton campaign who I voted for.

[betsuni]

87. ...

[MrsCoffee]

107. ...

[LeftInTX]

50. The Karen meme was started by a guy whose ex was named Karen

The origins of Karen as an Internet meme predominately date back to an anonymous Reddit user, Fuck_You_Karen, who would make posts ranting about and denigrating his ex-wife Karen, who he alleged had "taken" both his children and, later, his house during divorce proceedings. The unintentional entertainment value provided by the posts led to the creation of a subreddit in 2017, r/FuckYouKaren, to both compile a narrative and share memes about the posts. Since Fuck_You_Karen deleted his account, the subreddit has since refocused to memes about the stereotype in general rather than one specific woman.[1]

[MaryMagdaline]

36. As a privileged white woman I have no problem with a movement calling out privileged white

women who throw their weight around. It’s a thing. We privileged white women need to check our behavior.

[moriah]

39. Or learn how to use our ability to Karen to be like Kathleen instead.

We have power. We can use that force for good, instead of using it for our own convenience when we don't get our way.

[brush]

69. Now that's what I'm talking about. Take note, white women allies.

That is how it's done.

[yardwork]

40. This white woman agrees with you.

I do feel badly for nice people named Karen.

[Loki Liesmith]

101. Are you fine with white women who disagree with you?

[Demonaut]

37. Karen deserves it, change my mind

[Amishman]

97. I can't, its an insult that is frequently deserved

people need to relax and stop trying to control others so much, it just leads to more trouble. Especially on the little stuff.

[lastlib]

38. It's the kittehs' fault!

(judging by my facebook feed......)

[Raine]

41. Agree

I have a friend named Karen and it pisses me off seeing her name used in such an insulting way, it's ridiculous!

[womanofthehills]

79. Being named Karen has nothing to do with being A Karen

I have no problem with it - it’s a shorthand we all instantly understand.

[kcr]

104. Then why isn't there a male equivalent?

[JudyM]

105. ⬆️ This. ⬆️

Exactly.

[MrsCoffee]

109. Zing.

[NYC Liberal]

119. There is: Chad.

See it all the time.

[EllieBC]

120. There is!

Brock, Chad, Walter.

They correspond to age groups. Brock is 20-30something, Chads are 40-early 50somethings, and the Walters are the older ones.

I think upthread someone posted a link that explains it.

[Autumn]

123. In fact there are two that I know of. Kyle and Chad.

[Sewa]

42. Thank you, completely agree

It’s shocking now many posters here are cool with racist terms and then they get upset went someone puts China in a post.

[Jamastiene]

43. Are you, perchance, owed beer and travel money as well?

[fishwax]

45. wow--that's a blast from the past

[Jamastiene]

52. Just don't bring up

circumcision, no matter what. Or chicken.

[A HERETIC I AM]

48. What about the many experiences?

That’s a bit Karen, however.

[Celerity]

65. DU search (I am nothing if not quite good at forensic source tracing) for beer and travel money

led me to some randomness.



https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=437x3505

I assume I have found the subject matter at hand.

[Skittles]

60. the only Karen I know is black

yup

[NBachers]

64. Well, here's something else I have no clue or connection with and have no interest in following.

It certainly seems to be stirring up a frothy mix of controversy, though.

I usually find out about everything after it's all over and out of style.

[philly_bob]

66. I had a middle-aged female relative who was demanding and entitled.

The family developed a comic routine when she went "Karen" on a waiter or salesperson. The routine went roughly, "You have to understand, she's the Queen of Rumania on a tour. In her home country, you would be beheaded."

Consider substituting the name "Queen of Rumania" for "Karen."

[Fozzledick]

67. Herbert!

[roamer65]

68. My mom was named Karen.

She was a wonderful woman, kind hearted and stable as rock.

She passed away last year.

[JonLP24]

73. It is hilarious this board gets upset over words like this than the behavior

There is also Chad. Look at Bishop Talbert Swan tweets. He will have constant replies from clueless or racist white people that he either calls Chad or Karen.

This is what happens when things from social media drift to DU. As far as internet slang Karen or Chad is very mild. They could use Jonathan for all I care.

[Mariana]

102. When that young MP in New Zealand

answered a jackass who was heckling her about her age with "OK, Boomer!" the squawking that went on here was funny as hell. I also remember another thread in which it was asserted that describing older voters as "older voters" is a slur against older voters.

[aikoaiko]

75. I'm more sympathetic to the Felicias of the world

[Progressive Jones]

77. What about the haircut? nt

[JonLP24]

78. From a Karen I follow

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[obamanut2012]

83. Agreed -- it's become a really sexist meme

Call out the abusers of all genders, without the smarmy casual sexism (and sometimes ageism aga9nst Boomers -- and, I say that as a Gen Xer).

[Kaleva]

90. You can do that but it won't change things here.

But if seeing such threads bothers you, using the 'Auto-trash by Keyword" function may be a benefit to you.

[jmg257]

91. Whatever gets you through the day.

I guess explaining how a person is acting like a selfish asshole is better.

[MyNameGoesHere]

92. Karen is not going to be happy about this post

Video to follow soon if I know Karen.

[Jamastiene]

95. Joking aside, there is an easier way than manually doing it.

If you go to My Account, then click on the Trash Can tab, you can have DU automatically get rid of any mention of Karen (or whatever keyword you choose to add) ever again. Just enter the keyword in the form and click the "Trash it" button.

I no longer see threads mentioning a certain Republican woman who trashes the GLBT community far too much...I won't name her because I don't want my own post to disappear, lol.

[Mariana]

113. That would defeat the purpose.

If someone wants to be offended by the use of certain words in posts, it's counterproductive to hide those posts in advance.

[Codeine]

115. Exactly.

You’ve summed the issue up quite succinctly.

[SlogginThroughIt]

106. I have outrage fatigue.

On any thread in here someone says something that could offend someone.

[Demsrule86]

116. My college age daughter tried that on me...didn't think I knew what it meant. But I did...

She was actually impressed and ended the exchange with JK (just kidding) ...didn't have to even threaten her allowance.

[SoonerPride]

117. Is this really a thing to get upet about?

Really?

With all the crazy bullshit happening in this country this is what you choose to worry yourself with?

Sigh. OK.

[Ace Rothstein]

125. I'm just upset at how it is overused.

Most of the time I see it applied now it isn't even funny.