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Celerity

(43,109 posts)
Mon May 18, 2020, 03:03 AM May 2020

The Republicans have morphed into a pack of jackals who want to kill or enslave their self-defined

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enemies, and will sacrifice their own to do it. They see it as war, and almost never give an inch, unless they sense a short, tactical retreat will further enable and ensure a long term setting up of their foe for a more thorough slaughter.

Democrats at present, for the most part, just want their opponents (some still refuse to look at them as enemies) to submit themselves, even if just a bit, to their 'better angels' and to behave in a more humane and somewhat rational fashion.

The 'they go low, we go high' crowd still thinks that an overwhelming victory can be had with little to no overall inherent risk. They see it as a philosophical dispute at its core, and are willing to make compromise an oft-employed default stance when faced with a countervailing force. Theses are the types who appeal to the 'innate, natural goodness' of Americans, as if the US has some sort of birthright and pre-ordained outcome to produce this sort of zeitgeist, pulled from some mythical aether, ginned up almost 250 years (oh what a short, short time that is!) ago, and carried on, borne like the Ark of the Covenant across innumerable Red Seas.

To think this is the height of folly, as the humans who make up the 331 million population of the nation are just as HUMAN as any other nation state's, and are just as fallible and susceptible, given a poisoned and ill-intended set of inputs, to produce the same atrocities as any other. I need not preach this to anyone of African descent back in the century plus long post-Civil War, pre Civil Rights American milieu, let along the entirety of the centuries starting in 1619 at Jamestown.

It is time to disenthrall ourselves of many notions that lead ultimately, despite some pussy-hat marchings, some fusses kicked up, and some cleverclogs social media rants, etc., to passive acceptance and an assured defeat that will end in blood and tears.

If not, long-wave history absolutely says the first group WILL eventually win, and unless the second group adopts some of the first group's precepts, and realises that it is indeed a war, and that the other side WILL kill you, then all the worst conceivable ruinous events shall occur, be it quickly or not, as surely as night follows day.

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The Republicans have morphed into a pack of jackals who want to kill or enslave their self-defined (Original Post) Celerity May 2020 OP
Great post. We are IN A KNIFE FIGHT this time. Any hands we reach across the aisle are just going to BamaRefugee May 2020 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author rampartc May 2020 #2
Stalin was the TRUMP side. Not a big Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn fan (his first incarnation)? Celerity May 2020 #3
Do we need gulags as well in your opinion? Checkered Giant May 2020 #12
education does not work on these people rampartc May 2020 #13
Are you saying we do need gulags??? Checkered Giant May 2020 #14
if they would work, maybe the old wal marts could be repurposed. rampartc May 2020 #15
I didn't expect to find advocacy of mass incarceration Checkered Giant May 2020 #16
Why did you delete your original post? Checkered Giant May 2020 #17
Been saying this for years. John Ludi May 2020 #4
Yes. It's time for Democrats to recognize that Republicans have no better angels. Lonestarblue May 2020 #5
Welcome to DU, John Ludi. calimary May 2020 #9
Your first day here and you are attacking the left. Enjoy your stay. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz May 2020 #11
We will not bring these traitorous, fascist, seditionist right wingers to the point where they hadEnuf May 2020 #6
Yes, I agree I_UndergroundPanther May 2020 #21
Steve Bannon explained it to Bill Mahar..... Tiger8 May 2020 #22
Kick dalton99a May 2020 #7
It Ingersollman May 2020 #8
Some of our longer-serving Dem congresscritters need to swallow this fact, and fast. JudyM May 2020 #10
Never underestimate the power saidsimplesimon May 2020 #18
Half Wrong Roy Rolling May 2020 #19
The GOP has always been a racist anti-poor party zak247 May 2020 #20

BamaRefugee

(3,483 posts)
1. Great post. We are IN A KNIFE FIGHT this time. Any hands we reach across the aisle are just going to
Mon May 18, 2020, 03:41 AM
May 2020

be chopped off by Republican machetes.
Biden will be attacked more viciously and with more outright lies and defamation than ANY PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE EVER.
Clever memes, sternly worded letters from Democratic leaders, purity tests, gnashing of teeth and rending of garments, FORGET ABOUT IT, we have to fight tooth and nail and, I have to say it, JUST AS DIRTY AS THEY DO.
We can fix it AFTER WE WIN.

WHEN THEY GO LOW, and we go high, we actually wind up losing, against patently heinous and terrible people. We went high with Humphrey, we went high with McGovern, we went high with Mondale, Dukakis, Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton,( and I'm proud to say I voted for every one of these people), we acted as ladies and gentlemen, our heads high and our principals even higher, and we got our butts kicked. And yes, I consider elections being stolen a butt kicking!
I can only hope and pray that this time we have some folks in leadership who dare to do some bare knuckle fighting. And some POWERFUL and memorable messaging! We HAVE to message the right way to get inside the heads of the most crucial voters in this election.

So much more to say but too tired, heading for bed.
God bless us all, in this, this is a fight to really and truly save America, we cannot lose it. And we're going to be fighting a real dictator who wants a wannabe dictator to stay in power, which makes it doubly hard.

Just please, no infighting, every ounce of our energy has to be focused on winning, not internal divisions, and not looking morally superior as we cross the finish line in second place.

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rampartc

(5,387 posts)
15. if they would work, maybe the old wal marts could be repurposed.
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:45 AM
May 2020

ok, let me try this, it works for trump. i never said the coronavirus was a hoax, and i fid not tell anyone to inject disinfectant.

 

Checkered Giant

(14 posts)
16. I didn't expect to find advocacy of mass incarceration
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:08 PM
May 2020

Based on political orientation on this site. I’m new as you can see but have lurked for a bit.

John Ludi

(589 posts)
4. Been saying this for years.
Mon May 18, 2020, 08:32 AM
May 2020

The Left has devolved into whinging church ladies who seem to think that "meaningful dialog" can be had with rabid troglodytes who basically are waiting for the End Times to kill kill kill. Not gonna happen.

Lonestarblue

(9,958 posts)
5. Yes. It's time for Democrats to recognize that Republicans have no better angels.
Mon May 18, 2020, 09:01 AM
May 2020

They lie and cheat to get elected, and many of the more rabid stand on the Bible denouncing liberals while they violate every teaching in that book. Yet their supporters still vote for them and then complain about how religion is declining in this country. They need to look at their own hypocrisy to see the reason.

calimary

(81,115 posts)
9. Welcome to DU, John Ludi.
Mon May 18, 2020, 10:36 AM
May 2020

I'm SO with this. I'm among those who've been complaining for years that we've been too nice. It's fallen on deaf ears so far.

I'm so tired of the tendency to Pollyana the republi-CONS. SICK OF IT. TIRED of seeing my side continuing to bring feather dusters to gunfights.

hadEnuf

(2,177 posts)
6. We will not bring these traitorous, fascist, seditionist right wingers to the point where they
Mon May 18, 2020, 09:48 AM
May 2020

realize they are wrong and change so they can do the right thing for America. Popular opinion with the masses will not sway them. Shaming them will not sway them. Might makes right with this crowd and nothing else will resonate. Nothing. And they see us as a bunch of easy marks.

They need to know that they will be rendered unable to continue what they are doing politically, socially and physically, if necessary.


They are ready for violence and we are not. They need to know that they will pay a heavy price if they escalate their bullshit any further.


I really wish it were different, but we need to wake the hell up and send a credible message to these vermin.

 

Tiger8

(432 posts)
22. Steve Bannon explained it to Bill Mahar.....
Tue May 19, 2020, 09:27 AM
May 2020

(Paraphrasing) “You guys lose because we go for the headshot, while you think it’s a pillow fight.”

JudyM

(29,195 posts)
10. Some of our longer-serving Dem congresscritters need to swallow this fact, and fast.
Mon May 18, 2020, 10:44 AM
May 2020

I also hope Biden comes to act on this premise.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
18. Never underestimate the power
Mon May 18, 2020, 03:16 PM
May 2020

of your opponent or the opposition. "The Art of War"

The Republican message is political insanity, imo.

Roy Rolling

(6,908 posts)
19. Half Wrong
Mon May 18, 2020, 04:44 PM
May 2020

Relying on the innate laws of nature to be the “wind at your back” is not compromise, it is not a matter of faith. It is a reasoned, adult response to evaluating all of the information at hand.

History is strewn with the lives of the innocent, blindly following arrogant leaders who ignore reality. What would the outcome of the German offensive against Russia been had it been in Summer and not Winter?

It’ll be apparent when the time for action is. Or rather, the time for action is always now, if you know what step you are in the process.

 

zak247

(251 posts)
20. The GOP has always been a racist anti-poor party
Mon May 18, 2020, 07:30 PM
May 2020

The GOP has always been a racist anti-poor party that solely exists to protect the wealth of the rich and powerful.

The reason we don’t have national FREE health insurance is that the lily-white GOP doesn’t want to see their tax money used to help racial minorities or non-white people. In that process, they’ll deprive their own race just to prevent black and brown people from getting health insurance.

So in this pandemic when they found out this most affects black and brown people they were then totally against the lockdown.

Mainly though, they are being ordered by the Wall Street class to cease and desist the lockdown so their masters can go about making money to the detriment of the nation’s health.

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