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Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:38 AM May 2020

Trump, the idiot, will not be reelected. Here is why in 3 sentences.

1. Too many people have died and will die by November.
2. Trump's lies are clear to everyone and anyone who dislikes a liar and bully.
3. Trump's stupid behavior is also clear to anyone & everyone who cares about the fact that
we have a stupid, insensitive, and totally ineffective president.

Yes, Trump might get 25 percent,33 percent or 40% of vote. Yes, he has a "cult." Nevertheless, Trump will not get reelected because of 1,2, & 3.
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Trump, the idiot, will not be reelected. Here is why in 3 sentences. (Original Post) Stuart G May 2020 OP
Also, depression is not a good thing for reelection. Demsrule86 May 2020 #1
...Thank YOU!!!! OUTSTANDING...4..Number 4, Yours is one more, Number 4 -Pocketbooks. Stuart G May 2020 #3
You are welcome...your list was very good...I don't know why all the negative posts about our Demsrule86 May 2020 #19
That is important reason too. LiberalFighter May 2020 #51
Either is DownriverDem May 2020 #86
4. Hillary Clinton, for whom I voted proudly, is not on the ballot. Aristus May 2020 #2
Number 5, you got Number 5..You are alive.!!!.."Hillary is not on the ballot" Stuart G May 2020 #5
Obama is not on the ballot, either. murielm99 May 2020 #52
Unclear, plimsoll May 2020 #71
There. murielm99 May 2020 #73
Thanks. plimsoll May 2020 #76
I wish Obama would keep giving Trump a poke . Alwaysna May 2020 #113
You're over the top there. qwlauren35 May 2020 #6
I think "I'd rather have Trump as President than vote for the Democratic candidate" Aristus May 2020 #7
I won't pretend to agree qwlauren35 May 2020 #9
Someone once said that faith and belief are two different things. Aristus May 2020 #25
I think you misunderstood. qwlauren35 May 2020 #116
Maybe we will move on, but some of us won't forget. calimary May 2020 #46
Same here. LiberalFighter May 2020 #58
They were fine with corporate control of politics. What they hated was diversity , liberalism, and JI7 May 2020 #107
He said Bernie-bots. LiberalFighter May 2020 #53
Sorry, I can't find myself being cordial with people who worked to prevent Hillary NBachers May 2020 #91
Excellent post... I would rec you if I could... Demsrule86 May 2020 #21
Really not helpful luv2fly May 2020 #29
Post removed Post removed May 2020 #34
Wow luv2fly May 2020 #42
No. Abusing another poster this way is wrong. Use the alert button. crickets May 2020 #66
Feel free to alert on me nose holder. malchickiwick May 2020 #78
Okay luv2fly May 2020 #82
So ... "hold your nose" or "kiss her ring" are the only options you see, huh? malchickiwick May 2020 #84
You're the only one who's talking about "..kissing Hillary's ring.." Cha May 2020 #120
The rest of us have had to live with four years of Trump, and the Bernie-types are upset Aristus May 2020 #35
I've also lived with Trump for three and a half years luv2fly May 2020 #56
Sticking with Bernie in Election 2016, or staying home and throwing the election to Trump Aristus May 2020 #61
Your concern is duly noted. And we have placed an order for your GoneOffShore May 2020 #43
Nice luv2fly May 2020 #59
I stopped being 'Nice' about 20 years ago. GoneOffShore May 2020 #98
Welcome to DU, luv2fly. calimary May 2020 #87
Thank you luv2fly May 2020 #92
The squabbling seems to be over co-mingling of two types of Bernie followers: keithbvadu2 May 2020 #94
"Hold your nose" is how we got a fascist rapist traitor in the WH... Eliot Rosewater May 2020 #115
5. wryter2000 May 2020 #4
Number 6...You get pick up sticks.."Hillary lost by small margin, Trump has already lost that much." Stuart G May 2020 #8
true but noneof_theabove May 2020 #85
People are sick and tired of the act. Time to cancel this show. Sneederbunk May 2020 #10
Number 7, Your in heaven..."Tired of the act, Time to cancel this show" Stuart G May 2020 #13
#4 Botany May 2020 #11
Number 8, You are great.."Trump was never elected in the first place" Stuart G May 2020 #14
His only chance is theft Johnny2X2X May 2020 #12
Ohio will vote by mail...we already have our ballots. We have more than a million folks out of work Demsrule86 May 2020 #32
#4 is the biggest one Major Nikon May 2020 #15
Of course, you are correct...So, You get 5***** (stars) as a prize for analysis of number 4 Stuart G May 2020 #17
Is that anything like S&H green stamps? Major Nikon May 2020 #103
Bingo...and Bush in particular had enjoyed very high ratings... Demsrule86 May 2020 #33
Trump will lose in a landslide because of the economy, new election model predicts Major Nikon May 2020 #121
Try this one, Wellstone ruled May 2020 #16
Number 9, is really fine..."Everyone knows someone who died from Covid" Stuart G May 2020 #22
Right now it is in the Wellstone ruled May 2020 #26
I agree. November can't come soon enough. MoonRiver May 2020 #18
Haven't you heard? "We're fucked" BannonsLiver May 2020 #20
WE ARE NOT FUCKED!!! to steal an election it must be close..It will... NOT BE CLOSE.. Stuart G May 2020 #24
+1 BannonsLiver May 2020 #31
I see it differently, and hope I am wrong. Cat grabber has been an unethical, maliciously corrupt johnthewoodworker May 2020 #50
Yeah that post is ridiculous...and only spreads gloom and doom...I wonder how much of that sort of Demsrule86 May 2020 #36
The OP tried to argue it wasn't defeatist BannonsLiver May 2020 #49
AU Contraire. The Good Guys Have Enthusiam Vogon_Glory May 2020 #68
I bet you thought we would win in 2016 also? Nt USALiberal May 2020 #97
Trump's election was a fluke eissa May 2020 #23
Number 10, wins again....election a fluke.."lots didn't vote, thought Hillary had it in the bag" Stuart G May 2020 #30
Great post! Demsrule86 May 2020 #37
Yep malaise May 2020 #27
It is a realignement election. And I am hearing that Joe believes now is the time to go Demsrule86 May 2020 #39
An FDR approach is the way to go malaise May 2020 #44
I am not counting any chickens just yet. Tipperary May 2020 #28
He barely won last time...and he has lost in every state he needed. Joe is going to beat him. Demsrule86 May 2020 #40
Perhaps..he can "do anything" ...but if Trump has lost very big and obvious..60-40%, Stuart G May 2020 #45
If everyone leaves the White House, the cooks, the cleaners, the maid how will he stay in the WH? katmondoo May 2020 #67
You left out... Squidly May 2020 #105
Remember 2016. Ms. Toad May 2020 #38
I believe gloom and doom is more dangerous to our efforts than confidence which encourages hope and Demsrule86 May 2020 #41
YES.....TRUMP WILL NOT WIN...BIDEN WILL WIN..!!!!EVERYONE GET OUT & VOTE!!!!!! Stuart G May 2020 #48
That is all we need to do. And I feel it in my bones that this will be an election where we win in Demsrule86 May 2020 #72
NO GLOOM & DOOM...stay postive...No 11 you are speaking from GOD AND HEAVEN!!!! Stuart G May 2020 #55
I believe everyone including God wants Trump out! Demsrule86 May 2020 #69
Becaue all of the happy talk worked sooooo well in 2016. Ms. Toad May 2020 #90
It wasn't all happy talk in 2016 . She was booed at the convention by fucked up people and then JI7 May 2020 #108
I didn't say it was ALL happy talk - Ms. Toad May 2020 #109
There ARE trolls . Concern Trolling is a way to try to bring people down. What is the point of it JI7 May 2020 #110
Seriously? Ms. Toad May 2020 #111
I know there are those types but the ones I am talking about ARE concern trolling JI7 May 2020 #112
There are more Never-Trumpers in the GOP than they let on Mr. Ected May 2020 #47
Yes, an his cult is smaller than we now believe it to be. Joinfortmill May 2020 #54
Number 12..Yes a cult...but very small....Correct, have a ball, don't hit the wall!!! Stuart G May 2020 #57
Doesn't mean we can let up peggysue2 May 2020 #60
#13...."NEVER GIVE UP, LEAVE NOTHING TO CHANCE." Stuart G May 2020 #63
Bingo! peggysue2 May 2020 #64
We will have a dance indeed. Demsrule86 May 2020 #75
Of course not, but we also should not say that Trump will win. It is not true number one. Demsrule86 May 2020 #74
I agree that defeatist posts are counterproductive peggysue2 May 2020 #80
Trump voters Aerator May 2020 #62
Welcome to Democratic Underground.. Stuart G May 2020 #65
I am not sure about that. But who knows? Demsrule86 May 2020 #77
Fun dayn moyl zu Got's oyem. maxsolomon May 2020 #70
He may not get re-elected, but that doesn't mean he won't steal the election. In fact, we KPN May 2020 #79
Never underestimate the power of the Stoopid. edbermac May 2020 #81
History repeats keithbvadu2 May 2020 #93
Demented vote zak247 May 2020 #83
So many people sat on their hands in 2016 and yet Hillary still won the popular vote. iscooterliberally May 2020 #88
Maybe so, no chicken counting saidsimplesimon May 2020 #89
As bad as COVID19 is for us and the economy, I hope Biden and his surrogates don't just wiggs May 2020 #95
But but but I'm not tired of winning yet? Brainfodder May 2020 #96
You are ABSOLUTELY right on, SG! ElementaryPenguin May 2020 #99
I agree. Too many have been impacted by Trump's corruption and stupidity. lpbk2713 May 2020 #100
#42: Hydroxychloroquine poisoning. tinrobot May 2020 #101
Also: Bleach consumption Initech May 2020 #119
The scary thing is that he only needs 46% to win whopis01 May 2020 #102
I wish you were correct. But I don't think so, because: Dark n Stormy Knight May 2020 #104
electoral college changes that calculation, especially with dirty tricks or hacking. nt Grasswire2 May 2020 #106
He has his base.Maybe 35% max. argyl May 2020 #114
Yes, "He has his base. Maybe 35% Max.." Trump will not win for another reason that is important, Stuart G May 2020 #117
Yes.........3 & 1/2 years is a long time to watch this ugly show,........or Stuart G May 2020 #118

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
1. Also, depression is not a good thing for reelection.
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:40 AM
May 2020

People vote their pocketbooks...as my dear Dad is fond of saying.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
19. You are welcome...your list was very good...I don't know why all the negative posts about our
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:06 PM
May 2020

changes in this election...they are very very good. And such posts are doom and gloom and do not encourage people to vote.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
2. 4. Hillary Clinton, for whom I voted proudly, is not on the ballot.
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:41 AM
May 2020

The only people who hated her more than the Trumpanzees were the Bernie-bots. Their feeble attempts to tar Joe Biden with the Hillary-brush aren't gaining a lot of traction; we see them now for their fecklessness, their idiocy, and their Naderite-style of nation-destroying.

plimsoll

(1,668 posts)
71. Unclear,
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:07 PM
May 2020

Trump doesn't know, or Obama doesn't know.

I think Obama's pretty clear. I'm not sure Trump is clear on sphericity of the earth, heliocentric solar system and a whole host of stuff.

murielm99

(30,733 posts)
73. There.
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:09 PM
May 2020

Is that all better now? Everyone else seemed to understand what I was saying.

Obama drives trump crazy. We all know it.

qwlauren35

(6,147 posts)
6. You're over the top there.
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:45 AM
May 2020

You may find yourself deleted. Insulting Bernie supporters is insulting people in the Democratic Party who fairly voted for him in the primaries. They are part of the Party. Be civil.

I have strong feelings on the matter, but the Democratic Party is diverse with diverse views.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
7. I think "I'd rather have Trump as President than vote for the Democratic candidate"
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:49 AM
May 2020

ought to be beyond the pale, even for the most broad-minded and accepting Democrats, don't you?

qwlauren35

(6,147 posts)
9. I won't pretend to agree
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:53 AM
May 2020

with that mindset.

I don't even get it.

But there are people who believe that the two were equivalent, because both were not interested in dismantling corporate control of politics, and that was their litmus test. Their ONLY litmus test.

Right now, if they admit that Trump was worse, I accept it and move on. What is done is done.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
25. Someone once said that faith and belief are two different things.
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:16 PM
May 2020

Belief is when someone else does the thinking. They didn't want to think; they just allowed unscrupulous people to do their thinking for them.

Anyone who genuinely thought Trump would 'dismantle corporate control of politics' doesn't have two brain cells to rub together.

qwlauren35

(6,147 posts)
116. I think you misunderstood.
Tue May 19, 2020, 01:14 PM
May 2020

The belief was that neither Hillary nor Trump would dismantle corporate control, so it didn't matter who you voted for - it didn't matter who won.

As I said. I do not agree. But I have people in my life who think that both parties are the same, both parties' candidates are bought and paid for by corporations, both parties are only going to allow changes that don't hurt the 1% and our corporations. For example, neither party is willing to dismantle the health insurance system. Neither party is pushing for tax reform that forces corporations to pay taxes.

The Democratic party platform goes a long way in helping the average Joe and Jane, and I support it. But I am not unaware that their loyalties include corporations and lobbies. Heck, I fund NARAL, so I must believe in lobbies!

I see three approaches. Do nothing, work within the system, change the system. Bernie supporters wanted to change the system, and anyone who did not want to change the system was unacceptable... and equally bad.

I'm starting to come around to the idea that the system needs to change. But I will find another way to do it. Bernie's way was not working for me, and I'm not going to burn down my house before I build my mansion.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
46. Maybe we will move on, but some of us won't forget.
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:36 PM
May 2020

Every time I see Bernie's face or hear his voice, I get pissed off all over again. Sorry, but that's how I feel. That's how I STILL feel.

And I used to like Bernie. What transpired in June 2016 killed that for me.

LiberalFighter

(50,890 posts)
58. Same here.
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:46 PM
May 2020

He came to an event held outside of our State Democratic Convention in 2012. He didn't exactly energize me with his speech. I'm a strong labor union member and still involved as a retiree.

I'm the type that research and didn't find anything that demonstrated he accomplished anything.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
107. They were fine with corporate control of politics. What they hated was diversity , liberalism, and
Tue May 19, 2020, 02:15 AM
May 2020

anything else that took away attention from white men and other misogynistic fucked up men and this includes the women also just like there are women that support trump.

NBachers

(17,107 posts)
91. Sorry, I can't find myself being cordial with people who worked to prevent Hillary
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:43 PM
May 2020

from being President. We are living in the ruins of the carnage. I do not forgive; I do not forget.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
29. Really not helpful
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:21 PM
May 2020

Continuing to slur people who support Bernie really isn't helpful at this point in time. I was a Bernie supporter in 2016 and I held my nose and voted for Hillary when the time came. I supported Bernie this time around as well and will once again support the Democratic nominee. Truly disappointing to see the name-calling continue.

Response to luv2fly (Reply #29)

crickets

(25,962 posts)
66. No. Abusing another poster this way is wrong. Use the alert button.
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:01 PM
May 2020

Sometimes the response can take a while.

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
78. Feel free to alert on me nose holder.
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:15 PM
May 2020

Saying you had to hold your nose to vote for Secretary Clinton is actually in and of itself a violation of DU regs. And besides, I'm guessing any members of a jury would agree with my advice for you.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
82. Okay
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:36 PM
May 2020

Done.

I'm pretty new here, I never even heard of DU until I heard Thom Hartmann talk about it one day on his show. I respect him and his views, so decided to give it a try. I wasn't under the impression one had to bow down and kiss Hillary's ring in order to be an acceptable Democrat in the eyes of some, thanks for enlightening me.

malchickiwick

(1,474 posts)
84. So ... "hold your nose" or "kiss her ring" are the only options you see, huh?
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:46 PM
May 2020

The FSM is wishing you'd stop embarrassing her.

Cha

(297,154 posts)
120. You're the only one who's talking about "..kissing Hillary's ring.."
Tue May 19, 2020, 05:53 PM
May 2020

that nobody asked you to do.

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
35. The rest of us have had to live with four years of Trump, and the Bernie-types are upset
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:29 PM
May 2020

over name-calling?

Priorities.

Our 2016 voter profiles are exactly alike, except I voted for Hillary with pride instead of holding my nose. In 2020, the difference is, I knew Bernie couldn't win the nomination, so I supported Kamala Harris's effort. I'm not going to write in her name on my ballot, or stay home and sulk on Election Day just because she didn't get the nomination.

Priorities.

We need to get Trump out of the office the Bernie supporters helped him into, and Biden is the guy to do that. No more 'holding our noses'. If one supports Trump, one should just come out and say so. Too many people have suffered in the last four years for me to feel tender towards the hurt feelings of the Bernie-types.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
56. I've also lived with Trump for three and a half years
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:44 PM
May 2020

I agree he has to go. But why do people feel the need to insult others who will ultimately will end up voting for Biden?

Aristus

(66,316 posts)
61. Sticking with Bernie in Election 2016, or staying home and throwing the election to Trump
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:52 PM
May 2020

was an insult to all of us who knew that Trump and Hillary Clinton were not cut from the same cloth, that Hillary was immensely well-qualified for the job, and would make progressive issues a focus in her administration, and that Trump was and is a vile, disgusting, perverted, walking trash-fire who would ruin the United States both at home and on the international stage.

It's a little late for anyone now to be saying 'that hurts my feelings'...

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
43. Your concern is duly noted. And we have placed an order for your
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:34 PM
May 2020

Junior Tone Police™ badge.

It should arrive shortly.

GoneOffShore

(17,339 posts)
98. I stopped being 'Nice' about 20 years ago.
Mon May 18, 2020, 03:32 PM
May 2020

'Nice' is a luxury and has been for a long fucking time.

That whole 'when they go low, we go high' stopped working as soon as the 'Fairness Doctrine' was trashed.

And so I've been brushing up on invective for the past several years.

And therefore:

"Favorite rejoinder of Senator Harry S. Truman, when a member of his war contracts investigating committee objects to his strenuous pace: 'If you don't like the heat, get out of the kitchen'."

He used a version slightly nearer the one most often used nowadays, in 1949, after becoming president, when warning his staff not to concern themselves over criticism about their appointments:

"I'll stand by [you] but if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen."

calimary

(81,220 posts)
87. Welcome to DU, luv2fly.
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:04 PM
May 2020

See, that's what I simply am not able to understand - why ANYBODY would feel like they had to hold their nose to vote for Hillary. What on earth was so doggone horrible about her? Seriously! I just don't get it.

I'm one who still fails to understand why anybody would feel the need to do that - to hold their nose to vote for such a magnificent, brilliant, courageous, experienced, highly capable, and ground-breaking candidate, especially regarding the advancement of women and the leveling of the playing field. And evidently enough others thought that, too, because she did win the popular vote. She was cheated and robbed, as were we all. I think that's WAY obvious by now, or at least it should be.

Her fight made it possible for multiple other capable, brilliant, experienced women to be taken seriously in their own efforts to reach that high, this time around. Her fight made it possible for there to be solid discussion of a woman on this year's ticket, albeit in the VP position, not the top spot. But even that wouldn't be happening right now if it hadn't been for Hillary. Somebody was going to have to kick that door open, and she had the guts to take the risk and go first. Her fight made it plausible, realistic, and acceptable, for America to have a female Vice President. It's something we actually can wrap our brains around, this year, because she paved the way four years ago. Her fight takes me back to the stirring, thunderous words of Dr. King referencing the quest for the Promised Land and the struggle for civil rights - "...I might not get there with you, but..." Any woman candidate in the future who does earn the keys to the Oval Office, or even the Vice President's residence, will have her to thank.

To this very hour, indeed, even as I write this post, I am STILL at a loss to understand the Hillary hatred or resentment or whatever. It's just not logical, reasonable, sensible, or comprehensible to me, and also deeply disappointing. I've heard and read all the arguments and the protestations and the rationalizations for it. Yet it remains a mystery to me. It still doesn't make any sense to me, and frankly never has. And at this point, I doubt it ever will.

luv2fly

(2,475 posts)
92. Thank you
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:59 PM
May 2020

Thank you calimary. I'd love to see a woman as president, and after Bernie my next two choices were Elizabeth Warren and then Amy Klobuchar. It's going to happen one day, and I firmly believe America will be both a stronger as well as a kinder place.

keithbvadu2

(36,775 posts)
94. The squabbling seems to be over co-mingling of two types of Bernie followers:
Mon May 18, 2020, 03:09 PM
May 2020

The squabbling seems to be over co-mingling of two types of Bernie followers:

Ordinary Bernie supporters

and

die-hard Bernie fanatics who would rather let Hillary go down in flames because their beloved Bernie did not make it.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts)
115. "Hold your nose" is how we got a fascist rapist traitor in the WH...
Tue May 19, 2020, 12:36 PM
May 2020

Some still havent figured that out yet.

Some still dont know that if 10 million voters go around saying "I will but I will have to hold my nose" then another 10 million wont even bother to vote in the first place, and that is how we got Rump.

Yeah, like I said SOME folks STILL havent FUCKING figured that out yet!

wryter2000

(46,037 posts)
4. 5.
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:45 AM
May 2020

He only "won" by the teeny-tiniest of margins. He can't afford to lose even a few thousand votes in a couple of states. Clearly, he's lost more than that.

I love #4, btw.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
8. Number 6...You get pick up sticks.."Hillary lost by small margin, Trump has already lost that much."
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:50 AM
May 2020

noneof_theabove

(410 posts)
85. true but
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:50 PM
May 2020

those were Electorial Districts hand picked by the Russians.

Trump is doing the exact same playbook again.

You have been warned, be careful and wipe the GOP from ever getting back in politics

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
13. Number 7, Your in heaven..."Tired of the act, Time to cancel this show"
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:58 AM
May 2020

..Trump will understand this one, because he is a TV fan & ex show person.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
32. Ohio will vote by mail...we already have our ballots. We have more than a million folks out of work
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:25 PM
May 2020

here...Trump could lose Ohio...I have seen the polls.

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
15. #4 is the biggest one
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:01 PM
May 2020

4. The economy.

So long as Trump was riding the wave of Obama's economic successes, he had all the advantages given to incumbent presidents. The biggest reason why both Carter and Bush were 1 term presidents is because of poor economic conditions.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
16. Try this one,
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:03 PM
May 2020

in fly over land,Trump country,as those White Folks hear of or no someone who has died from Covid,Trumps chances go south. Pocket books and Family determine each election.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
22. Number 9, is really fine..."Everyone knows someone who died from Covid"
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:09 PM
May 2020

..Therefore, Most people feel the death!!!

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
26. Right now it is in the
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:18 PM
May 2020

Immigrant Community feeling the pain,but,what shakes small town Murica is,Funerals and Immigrants buried in THEIR Cemeteries. When some one they know or a Relative,things change and then the Awareness Thing kicks in. And Human Nature looks for the Boogie Man.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
24. WE ARE NOT FUCKED!!! to steal an election it must be close..It will... NOT BE CLOSE..
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:15 PM
May 2020

..The idiot has come before the United States and the World and lied and bullied too many times.

.....once or twice...maybe he can get away with it...maybe...................................
..............................................................hundreds of times..???
................................................................. lying about "life and death."

...........NO, NO, NO, AND NO................................................

 

johnthewoodworker

(694 posts)
50. I see it differently, and hope I am wrong. Cat grabber has been an unethical, maliciously corrupt
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:40 PM
May 2020

liar throughout his term. This has not resulted in the loss of his base, or, the loss of republican political support. Why? I feel his base truly is composed of 'deplorable' people who love his racism and hatred of women and liberals. The house/senate republicans should be sprinting away from this moron, but they're not. I think the fix is in. So vote Biden and keep your fingers crossed.
I think the republican coup that was started on 02/05/2020 will be codified with a stolen election. Republicans didn't go to all this trouble to turn the DOJ into a a political weapon just to turn it over to the democrats.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
36. Yeah that post is ridiculous...and only spreads gloom and doom...I wonder how much of that sort of
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:29 PM
May 2020

thing (not saying the one you posted) is from people who are still upset that their candidate failed to win the primary.

BannonsLiver

(16,369 posts)
49. The OP tried to argue it wasn't defeatist
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:38 PM
May 2020

I’m like, it literally says “We are fucked” in the headline for Christ’s sake!

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
68. AU Contraire. The Good Guys Have Enthusiam
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:03 PM
May 2020

I think the Good Guys are in a lot better position in some ways this time around than in 2016. We’re a lot angrier and a lot more motivated than in 2016.

In 2016, the news-critters spent most of their time p’ing all over Hillary when they weren’t trailing after Donnie like stray dogs hoping for scraps. Donnie’s novelty has worn off, Hillary isn’t running, and the Tara Reade non-scandal not only hasn’t taken off, but reminds people about the Masher in the White House.

Plus one more thing. Not only do a lot more Americans LOATHE Donald Trump and his policies, I think we’re willing to risk our lives and health to vote against him, even if we have to wear face masks, shower caps, and surgical scrubs to do it.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
23. Trump's election was a fluke
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:10 PM
May 2020

Too many people didn't bother voting because they thought Hillary had it in the bag. Every poll seemed to confirm this. Furthermore, Joe doesn't have the "likability" issue that Hillary had to deal with (or, more precisely, the sexism problem.) Joe doesn't have to worry about "sounding like your ex-wife" or "smiling more."

Trump may have his loyal supporters, but he hasn't grown his base. If anything, it seems to have shrunk as those republicans willing to "give him a chance" have seen their hopes of this buffoon "acting presidential" go down the drain. Four years of chaos and anger has been draining. I'm optimistic about November.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
30. Number 10, wins again....election a fluke.."lots didn't vote, thought Hillary had it in the bag"
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:22 PM
May 2020

.......OUTSTANDING....!!! Those that filed to vote, cause they thought Hillary had it in the bag....
......................definitely will vote this time...they now know .."NO ONE HAS IT IN THE BAG"

......................those "In the baggers" will vote this time,,cause they do not like Trump

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
39. It is a realignement election. And I am hearing that Joe believes now is the time to go
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:32 PM
May 2020

for an FDR policy approach. We must get the Senate...vote vote and vote...blue of course.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
28. I am not counting any chickens just yet.
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:21 PM
May 2020

I remember posts just like this prior to his election. He will do anything to remain in power.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
45. Perhaps..he can "do anything" ...but if Trump has lost very big and obvious..60-40%,
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:36 PM
May 2020

and it will be a large loss, because of this thread and outstanding ideas here by many...

...........guess what?..........ANYTHING WILL NOT WORK!!!!!

for example: If Trump refuses to leave the White House..(yes I have thought about that)..and after several warnings and negotiations....still refuses..the new President of the United States, and that will be Joe Biden, and everyone will know that Trump lost big....

................Then President Biden will order the army, or the secret service or both, to physically remove Trump from the White House...Yes, physically remove Trump, his family & all his belongings from the White House..

I don't think it will get that far, but if it does, that is what will happen. Why won't it get that far?...Trump will totally destroy his name and his family's name forever and ever..I don't think he wants to do that, but perhaps he will ...no one knows the future.............
....No one except....."The shadow knows"...in case you do not know that one....it is from a 1940s radio program called, "The Shadow" Oh, you didn't know that radio had full length dramas and comedies and shows??...Please read something about........".Radio History & Programs"

katmondoo

(6,454 posts)
67. If everyone leaves the White House, the cooks, the cleaners, the maid how will he stay in the WH?
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:02 PM
May 2020

If no money is provided and the White House is declared vacant how can he live? No plane ,no helicopters, no limo's etc, etc.

Squidly

(783 posts)
105. You left out...
Mon May 18, 2020, 11:22 PM
May 2020

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men.....
The Shadow knows....

The Shadow must know tRumps heart well...

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
38. Remember 2016.
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:31 PM
May 2020

This kind of absolute certainty that Trump was a joke candidate gave us Trump 2016. Please don't encourage over-confidence, or we will may well have Trump 2020.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
41. I believe gloom and doom is more dangerous to our efforts than confidence which encourages hope and
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:34 PM
May 2020

gets people out to vote. I have work elections for years...doom and gloom drives down the numbers of those who vote.

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
72. That is all we need to do. And I feel it in my bones that this will be an election where we win in
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:07 PM
May 2020

places we have not won in decades...There will be surprises. I think polls underestimate the number of enthusiastic determined Democratic voters and also the number of independents who have turned against Trump.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
55. NO GLOOM & DOOM...stay postive...No 11 you are speaking from GOD AND HEAVEN!!!!
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:42 PM
May 2020

....GOD WANTS TRUMP OUT....so there...!!!!

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
90. Becaue all of the happy talk worked sooooo well in 2016.
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:16 PM
May 2020


Those of us who urged caution were jeered, made fun of, etc. People didn't make it to the polls, since Clinton was going to win. Some people voted for third parties to send a message to "President" Clinton, and some talked about switching parties to vote for Trump in the primary to ensure we had someone easy to beat.

It is as dangerous to assume we will win in November as it was in 2016.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
108. It wasn't all happy talk in 2016 . She was booed at the convention by fucked up people and then
Tue May 19, 2020, 02:18 AM
May 2020

there was Comey and all the other shit.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
109. I didn't say it was ALL happy talk -
Tue May 19, 2020, 03:46 AM
May 2020

But there was the same kind of over-the-top certainty on DU - and anyone suggesting that she might not win, and that we needed to take Trump's campaign seriously, was called a troll.

I see the same kind of over-the-top certainty - and, although the responses to people trying to inject a bit of reality are not quite as derrogatory, but they are heading in that direction.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
110. There ARE trolls . Concern Trolling is a way to try to bring people down. What is the point of it
Tue May 19, 2020, 03:48 AM
May 2020

other than to make people feel hopeless ? It's not like they suggest anything to help win.

Ms. Toad

(34,062 posts)
111. Seriously?
Tue May 19, 2020, 03:57 AM
May 2020

I know Democrats who stayed home in 2016 because they believed Trump was a joke and would never win. I also know Democrats who voted for third party candidates because they wanted to send "President" Clinton a message - because they were so sure she woudl win. I know Democrats who talked about voting in the Republican primary for the express purpose of helping to ensure Trump won the primary because they were so sure he would be easy to beat.

It has nothing to do wtih trying to bring anyone down - it has to do with ensuring that every single voter gets to the polls - and doesn't (as they did in 2016) feel their vote isn't need to ensure Trump is defeated.

Dismissing anyone who does not toe whatever he current party line as "Concern Trolling" is as much a danger to proressive politics as is the Fox news siloing that goes on among conseratives. The party line in 2016 was that Clinton was a slam dunk. Promoting that party line, and condemning anyone who suggested otherwise as a "concern troll," contributed to putting Trump in office in 2016.

JI7

(89,247 posts)
112. I know there are those types but the ones I am talking about ARE concern trolling
Tue May 19, 2020, 04:25 AM
May 2020

They don't tell people to make sure to vote, how important it is to vote, that republicans will play dirty so even if polls look good it's important to vote.

They do anything to depress turnout. They give no reason for anyone to vote. ANd usually they just attack the democratic candidates .

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
47. There are more Never-Trumpers in the GOP than they let on
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:37 PM
May 2020

Trump appeals primarily to the scorched Earth conservatives, the Tea Partiers who wanted to strip our government bare, beyond even the most egregious Republican in office. They were never embraced, and the GOP foolishly thought they would go away. They didn't, and in fact, they took over the party and the government. The folks in the Republican Party that are disgusted by Trump were never broadcast very loudly because they'd still rather have run the government than attack Trump during his presidency. The election will give them an opportunity to vote against Trump, however that looks.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
60. Doesn't mean we can let up
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:51 PM
May 2020

Pounding Trump with the truth, his own words and disastrous policies must continue right up until Election Day. That and getting GOTV, reminding voters how worse off they are, how less safe they are under Trump's incompetent, non-leadership approach will be critical.

The energy to remove Trump and his disgusting posse is on our side. We need to whip that into a fury so we roll over every one of these Trumphumpers and retake the White House and the Senate.

Leave nothing to chance. Never forget, never forgive.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
63. #13...."NEVER GIVE UP, LEAVE NOTHING TO CHANCE."
Mon May 18, 2020, 12:58 PM
May 2020

13...After winning with Biden, we will have a dance....

Demsrule86

(68,552 posts)
74. Of course not, but we also should not say that Trump will win. It is not true number one.
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:10 PM
May 2020

And we support Democrats here...saying Trump will win does the opposite. And I have seen it here more than once. We need optimism and determination, we will beat Trump and his evil Republican minions.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
80. I agree that defeatist posts are counterproductive
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:28 PM
May 2020

That being said, we need to rally and whip our voters into a fury if we're going to stamp Trump and Trumpism out. We saw what happened in 2016. The vast majority of Dems never believed Donald Trump would be elected. And yet he was elected by a slim EC count.

We need to counteract the shenanigans that will surely repeat in November. We can do that with a constant barrage of Trump's own words and disastrous lack of leadership, as well as a huge turnout at the polls.

We can absolutely make this happen. The wind is at our backs but we cannot leave anything to chance or assumption.

I not only want to defeat Trump, I want to crush him and his odious enablers into oblivion.

Never forget, never forgive.

maxsolomon

(33,310 posts)
70. Fun dayn moyl zu Got's oyem.
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:05 PM
May 2020

After 2016, however, I have no faith in the American Electorate. They've proven themselves to be gullible and cruel.

We picked a candidate guaranteed to make it uncomfortably close (and Sanders would have been an even worse choice).

So, good points, but I will believe it when I see it.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
79. He may not get re-elected, but that doesn't mean he won't steal the election. In fact, we
Mon May 18, 2020, 01:23 PM
May 2020

know damn well that he will if he can. That is why we need to absolutely destroy him at the polls. There needs to be no question about his loss -- and only a massive landslide against him will convince those who would want him as their King. Even then, he will try to pull some type of coup to retain his power.

Absolutely Destroy Trump in November 2020!!!!!





iscooterliberally

(2,860 posts)
88. So many people sat on their hands in 2016 and yet Hillary still won the popular vote.
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:12 PM
May 2020

I heard that less than 27% of eligible voters actually cast a ballot for Trump in 2016. It's no wonder his inauguration was so small. Also the tax cuts that screwed so many people in blue states is a great motivator. Great list! Thank you for posting!

wiggs

(7,812 posts)
95. As bad as COVID19 is for us and the economy, I hope Biden and his surrogates don't just
Mon May 18, 2020, 03:15 PM
May 2020

focus on the pandemic. COVID is just part of a much larger pattern of lies, deception, incompetence, self-serving behavior, ignorance, arrogance, treachery, and general sliminess. Focus on those and build an overall case, for which COVID, Russia, Ukraine, tax cuts, health care, emoluments, 16,000 lies, caging children, money laundering, etc are all manifestations of the same Trump and WH pathology.

No matter what crisis has occurred and will occur during the next several months, the WH will respond with the same narcissism and incompetence...that's the first thing that must change with a new administration and that's how I'd like Biden to respond when asked what he'll do in office day one...rid us of a sick outlook on life and governing.

If we do that, we have the best chance of overcoming what is certain to be the most ugly, deceptive, unfair, illegal, unprecedented, twisted campaign/election we've seen.

whopis01

(3,510 posts)
102. The scary thing is that he only needs 46% to win
Mon May 18, 2020, 06:16 PM
May 2020

based on the last election.

I hope you are correct. I think you are correct. However, I am still scared about it.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
104. I wish you were correct. But I don't think so, because:
Mon May 18, 2020, 09:05 PM
May 2020

1. Too many people have died and will die by November.

Far too many people will believe Trump's lies about that being other people's fault

2. Trump's lies are clear to everyone and anyone who dislikes a liar and bully.

Far too many people don't think Trump is a liar and a bully. Or they think he is and DO like it (as long as it's a RWer doing the lying and bullying.)


3. Trump's stupid behavior is also clear to anyone & everyone who cares about the fact that
we have a stupid, insensitive, and totally ineffective president.

Far too many people think Trump is a genius and a hero.

argyl

(3,064 posts)
114. He has his base.Maybe 35% max.
Tue May 19, 2020, 06:21 AM
May 2020

But he's got to be shedding people who voted "for a change" in 2016 at a fairly rapid rate with the incredibly stupid things he's said and done.
I can't see him gaining any new support at this time.

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
117. Yes, "He has his base. Maybe 35% Max.." Trump will not win for another reason that is important,
Tue May 19, 2020, 04:41 PM
May 2020

Number 14....from post 114.:..Idea, Trump has been out there a long time

It is the same idea as this statement...your statement:

.........................I can't see him gaining any new support at this time.......................................

Trump has been standing in front of the country for 3 &1/2 years.. ..(.Longer if we look at his election and what he promised before the election..)

In those 3 and 1/2 years, Trump has shown himself to be a liar, a bully and incompetent. By now, everyone has an attitude about him. We have seen him on TV, in the newspapers, on radio, magazines..etc.

After watching him for 3 & 1/2 years people see he is a liar, bully and incompetent, but during this crises, that has killed 90,000 people as of today...........
....................HE HAS FURTHER PROVED HE IS INCOMPETENT...............

Trump can say he did a good job, but the proof is in...the life and death of 90,000...people...
.
....SOME OF THOSE DEATHS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED, IF HE DID A "GREAT JOB" AS HE
WILL CLAIM ...PERHAPS THOUSANDS DEATHS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF OBAMA WOULD HAVE BEEN PRESIDENT, OR EISENHOWER, OR SOMEONE ELSE THAT IS/WAS COMPETENT.....................

Stuart G

(38,419 posts)
118. Yes.........3 & 1/2 years is a long time to watch this ugly show,........or
Tue May 19, 2020, 05:02 PM
May 2020
4 years if you go to the summer of 2016 before Trump was elected...
..I didn't think I could add any new ideas,,,.but this one could be the .... Most important:

We have been watching the lies, incompetence for 4 years....long time....Many believed him and gave him a chance......As ..."The many look back".....The many will see that they were .............................
_________________________________________________________________________

.........................taken advantage of....
..........................used with lies...........
..........................Treated unfairly...
.........................Trusted someone, who later turned on them...

You watch someone, give them a chance, trust that person...and fucks you over....well, you will be even more mad than otherwise. A whole lot of people gave Trump a chance and watched him lie and cheat with that chance and they will ........NOT VOTE FOR HIS REELECTION............

If you give someone a chance and they fuck you over year after year, Are You GOING TO GIVE THAT PERSON ANOTHER CHANCE????
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