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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,398 posts)
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:30 PM May 2020

"People Will Die. People Do Die." Wall Street Has Had Enough of the Lockdown

When and how to reopen the American economy is not only plaguing Donald Trump, who tweeted all-caps in March that, “We cannot let the cure be worse than the problem itself.” Seven weeks later, with an unemployment rate at 14.7%, and counting, with manufacturing output down a record 13.7% in April, and retail spending collapsing a record 16.4%, Trump likely has concluded that his only chance for reelection is if the economy—somehow—starts to improve. As more than 86,000 people in the U.S. have died from COVID-19, the question of opening or not is also preoccupying governors of the 50 states; of the states, four are closed for the foreseeable future, while the other 46 are either open or in the process of reopening.

The question is also preoccupying Wall Street bankers, whose livelihoods, like hundreds of millions of other Americans, depend upon an economy that at least has a pulse. Since no one seems to be consulting Wall Street bankers and traders about when and how to reopen the economy, I convened an impromptu circle of Wall Streeters I know well to get their views. The consensus among them is: We can’t continue any longer in lockdown mode. Something has to give, because more than 36 million newly unemployed Americans are not going to be able to pay their monthly bills, feed their families, or maintain their mental health if the economy remains shut. And the problems are only going to get worse the longer so many Americans are out of work. They reference United Nations’ projections that 250 million people could be on the brink of starvation by the end of the year. They also cite a report by the Stop TB Partnership that if the COVID-19 lockdowns continue that an additional 1.4 million people will die from tuberculosis because they will be unable to get treatment. They note that roughly 37,000 Americans die every year in car accidents. But we haven’t outlawed cars; we have learned to live with the deaths.

Furthermore, the consensus among them also seems to be, there is a false equivalency in the debate being made—by politicians and in the media—between saving lives by keeping the economy closed and sacrificing lives by opening it up in order for people to once again make a living. “Saving lives versus saving jobs is the wrong debate,” says one senior Wall Street banker. “Isn’t there a middle ground?… How many lives are you willing to spend to bring the economy back to maintain people’s standard of living? How many lives are we willing to risk? How do you put a price on a life? Many lives were lost preserving American Democracy in the fight against Nazi Germany. There was no moral high ground then. And now they are remembered as the Greatest Generation.” He wonders, “How do you compromise between the pragmatic and the moral. There are shades of gray.” (Some hedge fund managers, according to my colleague Gabriel Sherman, aren’t waiting for the reopening of New York City, or of the Connecticut coastline; they are picking up stakes and moving to one of Texas, Colorado, or Florida.)

Kim Fennebresque, a longtime Wall Street investment banker, has had successful stints at First Boston, Lazard (where I met him), UBS, and as the former CEO of Cowen & Co., a small, independent investment bank. He’s had enough health issues lately to make him especially vulnerable to COVID-19, if he were to contract it. Nevertheless, Fennebresque believes the time has come to open up the economy, especially in those regions of the country where, so far anyway, it has had less of a devastating impact. He agrees the debate has been poorly framed. “In terms of money versus lives, it really reduces it to a silly trade-off, because that’s not what it is,” he says “People will die. People do die. People my age die. It happens, right? It can happen with a flu epidemic. People can die. People have to take care of themselves and wash their hands. People have to stay in and do lots of things, and 5,000 people can’t go running to a beach the day it opens. You do that and it has consequences. People have to take responsibility for their own lives. And people do die. That is kind of what happens.”

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/wall-street-has-had-enough-of-the-lockdown?utm_source=nl&utm_brand=biz&utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_mailing=thematic_business_051820&utm_medium=email&bxid=5be9f8cb24c17c6adf0e5d24&cndid=25394153&utm_content=Final&utm_term=Thematic_Business

We have a health problem which we're trying to treat as an economic problem. Take care of the health problem and the economic one will take care of itself.

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"People Will Die. People Do Die." Wall Street Has Had Enough of the Lockdown (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2020 OP
There is no great US economy, except for the top 10%. guillaumeb May 2020 #1
The Aztecs performed human sacrifice on a large scale DBoon May 2020 #2
A thousand people a day, is lotsa people. If we get up three thousand a day, it's even more. struggle4progress May 2020 #3
The 1% who advocate a reopening should be required to work in a packing house for a week. SharonClark May 2020 #4
What lockdown? Hugin May 2020 #5
Predictable assholes.... Brainfodder May 2020 #6
Summation:"...a health problem which we're trying to treat as an economic problem..." says it all nt live love laugh May 2020 #7
guess they missed the testing/tracing part.. stillcool May 2020 #8
yes people will die DBoon May 2020 #9

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. There is no great US economy, except for the top 10%.
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:34 PM
May 2020

And the top 10% are willing to sacrifice the bottom 90%.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
3. A thousand people a day, is lotsa people. If we get up three thousand a day, it's even more.
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:34 PM
May 2020

Fennebresque surely has enough money he can hide out

Meanwhile, the lower class hourly workers, who have to go to work, are getting shafted

Hugin

(33,222 posts)
5. What lockdown?
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:37 PM
May 2020

It has never been implemented uniformly and universally.

In fact, if I remember correctly, the shut-downs that have occurred were because the customers simply stopped showing up.

DBoon

(22,414 posts)
9. yes people will die
Mon May 18, 2020, 02:45 PM
May 2020


It may not be who the WSJ thinks will die...

You tell people they need to sacrifice their lives for your economic system, they may decide YOU are the one who should be sacrificed
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