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#1. I have a group of ladies I've known for many years through exercise classes. We have been getting together regularly for lunch, until March with the shutdown. We've been trying to figure out a way to get together, even if in small groups. I'm meeting a few on Thursday at a park in the center of the county. We'll get takeout and chat. Sounds good, right? The woman who organized it only invited 4 or 5 of us.
Another lunch lady just texted the entire 15 strong group saying, how about if we meet at my place next week?
I'm thinking WTF? She lives in a mobile home. There's no distancing possible. Plus, who knows where or how they shop, etc., etc.
I thought, 'I'll be interested to see how one friend responds. She is a retired HC worker.'
But, she is the first to reply: Great! I'll bring blah blah blah. WTF?
Then several others chime in: Yay, I'll bring this or that.
I offered my regrets and said I couldn't make it but wished them all well.
Sidebar: most of these women are solid Trumpkins or apolitical. There are a few Democrats or Democrat-leaners in the group. We do not talk politics.
#2. A good friend texted an invite to meet them at a local watering hole recently for a get together to celebrate her birthday. I, of course, said thanks, but we'll wait to celebrate when things are safer.
Then I see posts on Facebook about the get together. Her whole, extended family, kids, step kids, their girlfriends, her elderly mother. Other mutual friends. It was a big crowd in a small place - well over the 25% occupancy rule we have here.
This group is all solid Trump haters and several of them are scientists or nurses. SO and I were gobsmacked.
I just don't get it. Reasonable people have apparently decided that this whole thing is over.
albacore
(2,398 posts)B) People may think they are done with the virus.. but the virus is not done with people.
mcar
(42,298 posts)B is my fear. People have let themselves be convinced that this is all over. Group 1 are all senior citizens, most at least a few years older than me.
Native
(5,939 posts)Last edited Mon May 18, 2020, 10:43 PM - Edit history (1)
Just shared this with my daughter in Massachusetts. How their state is handling reopening is like night and day compared with Florida. I mean we haven't met even half of one of the three guidelines for reopening, and yet people who know better seem to just be pretending it's all over. It defies explanation. I just don't get it.
Is there anyone on DU with a background in psychology who can explain this behavior?
Is their anyone on DU with a background in psychology who can explain this behavior?
Phoenix61
(17,000 posts)know anyone who has gotten really sick from covid. They see the people around them acting like everything is back to normal so they join right in. Its the lowest common denominator syndrome.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)1918 "No medicine and none of the vaccines developed then could prevent influenza, but those places that isolated survived"
Don't worry what those others around you are doing, keep staying safe. It's not over.
Midnight Writer
(21,738 posts)Meanwhile, confirmed cases in my county have quadrupled in the last week, as has the death toll.
It is getting worse here, not better.
mcar
(42,298 posts)My son lives in Atlanta. He said everything has been packed there for weeks, parks, restaurants, etc. He and his GF go to the mountains to hike every weekend and they're finding it harder and harder to find uncrowded trails.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)after story of a persons experience with this. I mean the simple 14 day to a month of pain and illness. Then recover over a month or two. I do not want to do that. And that is the least of what can happen.
mcar
(42,298 posts)I'm trying to find the recent column from a NYT editorial board member - a 30ish athlete who was flattened by Covid and 4 weeks later, still has not recovered. She went from being a runner to needing asthma inhalers and being barely able to walk a few blocks.
LizBeth
(9,952 posts)then the next day down and out. On top of that she had like three medical friends helping her thru. And others helping while she lay out of it in bed. I have no one. I do not want to do that. Even half of that.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)If you google her youll find the article. Shes a regular guest on MSNBC. Shes also in the board of editors in the New York Times.
mcar
(42,298 posts)I was trying to find it but spelled it Maura. Thanks.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)But I saw her in MSNBC talking about it.
Im sure not venturing out after listening to her.
Celerity
(43,286 posts)The day before I got sick, I ran three miles, walked 10 more, then raced up the stairs to my fifth-floor apartment as always, slinging laundry with me as I went. The next day, April 17, I became one of the thousands of New Yorkers to fall ill with Covid-19. I havent felt the same since. If you live in New York City, you know what this virus can do. In just under two months, an estimated 24,000 New Yorkers have died. Thats more than twice the number of people we lost to homicide over the past 20 years.
Now I worry for Americans elsewhere. When I see photographs of crowds packing into a newly reopened big-box store in Arkansas or scores of people jammed into a Colorado restaurant without masks, its clear too many Americans still dont grasp the power of this disease. The second day I was sick, I woke up to what felt like hot tar buried deep in my chest. I could not get a deep breath unless I was on all fours. Im healthy. Im a runner. Im 33 years old.
In the emergency room an hour later, I sat on a hospital bed, alone and terrified, my finger hooked to a pulse-oxygen machine. To my right lay a man who could barely speak but coughed constantly. To my left was an older man who said that he had been sick for a month and had a pacemaker. He kept apologizing to the doctors for making so much trouble, and thanking them for taking such good care of him. I cant stop thinking about him even now.
Finally, Dr. Audrey Tan walked toward me, her kind eyes meeting mine from behind a mask, goggles and a face shield. Any asthma? she asked. Do you smoke? Any pre-existing conditions? No, no, none, I replied. Dr. Tan smiled, then shook her head, almost imperceptibly. I wish I could do something for you, she said.
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mcar
(42,298 posts)An amazing column. She was on Morning Joe today too.
This should be in newspapers and on social media all over the place.
Native
(5,939 posts)flights of stairs to falling on all fours gasping for breath.
Faux pas
(14,657 posts)and
mcar
(42,298 posts)catrose
(5,065 posts)You're not crazy, but your friends, all of them.
mcar
(42,298 posts)At least not the 2nd group. The lunch ladies, I can understand to a certain extent.
The 2nd group, not even a little bit.
Mister Ed
(5,928 posts)When everyone was self-isolating a few weeks back, it was because everyone else seemed to be. Now that people are abandoning caution, it's because everyone else seems to be.
mcar
(42,298 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts).. to group think. Right now the M$M is preaching "open"while people like Racheal are screaming out loud that this is stupid.
mcar
(42,298 posts)It's disappointing to me that some of these people are doing this.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)... logic as if the Earth is flat then people start to believe even the slightest bit of it without countering facts.
When the first 10 mins of TRMS post then email them that and plead with them to be careful... they'll get it.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100213455604
Native
(5,939 posts)Nay
(12,051 posts)Flaleftist
(3,473 posts)DenverJared
(457 posts)There are two factors at play
1. Most humans don't get the fear response when they can neither see nor imagine a potential threat. If people were to be told to stay home because there are millions of poisonous snakes out there, they can wrap their heads around it and a healthy fear response makes them act rationally. An unseen, incomprehensible virus just doesn't create the same level of fear.
2. Humans need social contact and there comes a time when some will risk their lives to have it. Isolation is very traumatic and so it is used as a punishment in solitary confinement for example.
The last group you mentioned seems to be of sensible people and they will get together but will probably take precautions like wearing masks and maintaining distance. (At least I hope they will)
Luz
(772 posts)info on the 1918 pandemic. I keep my mind on the experts and history, not on the "it's all over" crowd.
It's not over. We're not crazy.
brooklynite
(94,489 posts)mcar
(42,298 posts)It'll be late May in Florida. By noon, it'll be in the 90s. At least one of the ladies has had melanoma and will not sit in the sun (even with sunscreen and a hat).
I have been to her place. There is little to no shade. She's got a screened porch that might hold 6 people but it would be tight.