Reported on CNBC: Ohio Since Opening on May 1 Up 61% in cases Up 45% Hospitalizations ...

[uponit7771]

... Up 107% in testing which means nothing cause they don't state the positive test rate.

How in the world does anyone in Ohio justify staying open on the state level ?!?!

There's one site reporting county level and 90% of counties in America are yellow or red

https://covidactnow.org/

Please be careful, there's little data that says its safe and even less reliable data saying we're getting better from the opening.

[roamer65]

1. Anyone surprised?

I’m not in the least.

[Iliyah]

2. The states are spiking . .

[uponit7771]

5. +1, ... and some people are calling 12% increases "not that big"

[maxrandb]

13. Can't be. Kornaki just put on his "Proud Boy' outfit and told me it's all good

[OrlandoDem2]

3. Is it related to a nursing home, factory, or meat packing plant?

Or is it community spread in one area? I am curious.

[uponit7771]

6. Since there's no county level reporting done by the CDC we don't know

[Maeve]

12. Ohio does have a county by county dashboard

https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/overview

[Botany]

4. I stopped @ my local fox news/trump lover bar last Friday for a carry out Italian Sub ...

... and it was raining so about 15 to 20 people were all gathered under an awning
without masks, smoking cigarettes, hugging, laughing and they were all within 35
sq. feet of each other. A few made fun of my mask. This was repeated all over
Columbus for the rest of the weekend. We are looking at a huge spike in cases.

[rasberry]

16. I think I know your bar.

Pretty sure you are talking about the "Oaks" on Oakland Park. They do have the best subs, but social distancing is not happening.

[Botany]

18. Yup!

It was scary to see all those people packed together .... Given their age, their cigarette usage,
and over all health many will soon be sick and or dead.

[Maeve]

7. A little context

Including the deaths the health department has reported since April 15, health department spokeswoman Melanie Amato said there have been 1,031 deaths in long-term care facilities, which comprise 59.9% of Ohio’s 1,720 coronavirus deaths as of Tuesday.

On Tuesday, DeWine said he will have details in the next few days on the state’s plan to use the Ohio National Guard to scale up testing in nursing homes

Ohio has tested a little less than 2.5% of its nearly 11.7 million people. Last week, from May 11 through May 17, Ohio averaged 8,632 daily tests.

“I think in these next seven days we’re going to be able to report to you a lot more progress in that area and we’re going to continue to do that,.” DeWine said.

https://www.dispatch.com/news/20200519/60-of-ohio-coronavirus-deaths-have-occurred-in-long-term-care-facilities

Also, many of the cases have been in the prisons

A lawsuit filed on behalf of four Ohio inmates is accusing Gov. Mike DeWine and the Ohio Department of Rehabilitation and Correction director, Annette Chambers-Smith, of not doing enough to protect them against the coronavirus.

As of Saturday, 60 inmates have died of COVID-19 in prisons across Ohio, and more than 4,000 had tested positive overall.

https://www.10tv.com/article/lawsuit-accuses-dewine-odrc-director-not-doing-enough-protect-inmates-against-covid-19-2020

And here's a link to an interactive Ohio covid dashboard
https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/overview

[uponit7771]

8. I don't see how this information changes anything Ohio is spiking whether it's 40% or 10%

[Maeve]

9. It matters if it is in facilities or in the general community

There is a lot of testing going on in nursing homes and prisons, which MAY be the cause of the spike in known cases. The dashboard link allows a better view of change county by county.

[muriel_volestrangler]

19. That doesn't affect the death figures, however

and not the hospitalization figures either - if someone's bad enough to need to go into hospital, you'd hope they'd do that without waiting for a test result.

[uponit7771]

21. That's the alarming stat, the hospitalization and Case fatality rate has been so steady

[Maeve]

22. The OP implied that the rise in deaths is due to the opening

When that is not necessarily the case--indeed, since deaths generally follow a rise in cases by about 4 weeks (hospitalizations generally follow by 2 weeks), the rise in either goes back to April's infections.

I'm not arguing that Ohio is right in opening quite so soon and so much, just that the gross figures are insufficient to argue the issue of re-opening. Most of Ohio's covid cases are in places where the populations have had limited public access since March (yes, there is still a vector due to the workers in these places bringing it home with them and there has been work to deal with that--not enough, probably, but work). The over-all level of cases in the state has been relatively flat--more info here: https://coronavirus.ohio.gov/wps/portal/gov/covid-19/dashboards/current-trends

[irisblue]

11. DeWine & Dr Acton & others do a 2pm presser

It is on local NPRs & PBS.

Sort of looking forward to this.

[irisblue]

15. Just heard no presser today, Wednesday 20 May 2020 on my NPR station

[llmart]

17. Well, according to Hair Furor...

these deaths were mostly just old people who were dying anyway. Who cares about them.

I'm not even going to look for the sarcasm smiley.

[uponit7771]

20. +1, even a 5% hit is not necessary relative to a federate Test/Trace/Quarantine

[luvs2sing]

10. Mikey D is on Trump's re-election committee.

So, despite how well he handled this in the beginning, he has been brought to heel and is flushing the state down the right-wing crapper for his overlords. Most of us figured it would happen, though we hoped otherwise.

[sop]

14. "Reopeners" are gambling with our lives, playing the typical Cost Benefit Analysis Game.

They are trying to figure out what will be an acceptable death rate to justify the cost of going back to doing business as usual, or the "cost-justified level of precaution." We are the lab rats in their grand experiment, and profit is the motive.

From the Southern California Law Review, 2018 - "Is Cost-Benefit Analysis the Only Game in Town?":

"Standards which prescribe more than efficient precaution against physical harm and health injury are commonplace in American environmental, health and safety regulation. The safe level standard, for example, requires the elimination of all significant risks. The feasibility standard requires the elimination of significant risks to the extent insofar as it is possible to do so without impairing the long run survival of the activities which give rise to the risks...

"Cost-benefit analysis, we are told, is the only game in town for determining appropriate standards of conduct for socially useful but risky acts. In a nutshell, the conventional wisdom is that cost-benefit analysis is rationality incarnate and the cost-justified level of precaution is the rational level of precaution...

"No matter how highly we value safety, the benefits of achieving a particular level of safety must be traded off against the costs of doing so. The rational way to trade costs off against benefits is to balance them so that we maximize net value and thereby make ourselves as well off as we can be. Taking more than efficient precaution yields less, not more, value. Preferring less value to more value is flatly irrational."

https://southerncalifornialawreview.com/2018/01/04/is-cost-benefit-analysis-the-only-game-in-town-article-by-gregory-c-keating/