She Beat COVID-19 After Taking trump's 'Miracle Drug'. Now She's Got Heart Trouble.

[Roland99]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/she-beat-covid-19-after-taking-trumps-miracle-drug-now-shes-got-heart-trouble

When Wendy Lanski tested positive for COVID-19 in March, her doctors did what many physicians recommended. They prescribed her hydroxychloroquine and an antibiotic. Lanski has finally recovered from the disease, but now she’s on a heart monitor for a rapid heart rate that developed soon after she left the hospital.

“I've asked every doctor under the sun—pulmonary cardiologists, internists—is it the COVID or is it the drug? And you know, nobody knows the answer.”


In Lanski’s specific case, she might not ever know what’s behind her recent heart troubles. But for everyone else worried about whether or not it makes sense to risk taking the drug, there’s increasing clarity. A new study from The Lancet of COVID-19 patients who were prescribed hydroxychloroquine shows an increased risk of death and cardiac troubles, and no improvement from the symptoms of COVID-19.

What did she have to lose?

[tanyev]

1. "many physicians recommended"

Not any competent ones.

[Hortensis]

7. This. Absolutely. Questionable reporting by Daily Beast.

There was no established efficacy for that potentially dangerous drug, so responsible physicians just wouldn't do it.

That leaves all the others, but those who have prescribed won't be a majority even of them. Bucking standards of practice, regulatory agencies and conditions of insurance policies can have serious consequences. Even if they squeaked through legally, no medical group or hospital will associate with someone insurance companies refuse to cover.

[grantcart]

13. You also have to wonder why they "prescribed an antibiotic"

[Hortensis]

16. Lots to wonder about. Apparently tissue biopsy can establish

whether heart damage was HCQ-caused, but guessing that'd be unlikely even if she had identifiable damage. Investigative journalism of expert analysis hasn't caught up to the tabloids on this yet.

[tblue37]

17. The Trumpist hype was saying that azithromyicin needed to be prescribed along with

the hydroxychloroquine.

[RVN VET71]

25. My understanding is that that is accurate

Those patients who require hydroxychloroquine are also prescribed the antibiotic. The problem here is, assuming Wendy is not tripping here, a freaking doctor prescribed it for Covid-19!

If that's true, and she did not have a heart condition before taking the drug and was not checked for a heart condition before taking the drug and was not even asked if she had a heart condition before taking the drug, Wendy (and her survivors) should be looking for a lawyer -- and the prescribing physician should be de-licensed and looking for another line of work.

Unless, of course, she signed some kind of a waiver -- which, itself, may not be legally defensible should the quack get sued.

My suspicion here is that Wendy had a mild arrhythmia which had never been diagnosed, a condition that was exacerbated by the "presidential cure."

I hope she recovers and without any serious debilitating long-term consequences. I hope she votes for Joe Biden, too.

[jmowreader]

18. Didier Raoult prescribes that combination to everyone he treats

He was reporting decent results, so some doctors figured he knew what he was doing.

Only problem is, once you started looking at his numbers (Raoult doesn’t run controls) you realized his results were effectively the same as doing nothing.

[grantcart]

20. My point is that antibiotics are ineffective against viruses.

[jmowreader]

32. Yes they are

It also seems that antiparasitics are ineffective against them.

[IronLionZion]

26. The antibiotic is in case of related bacterial infection complicating things

it's not for killing the virus. We all have bacteria around us all the time. If we have a bad virus, it can be made worse if we also catch a bacterial infection.

As a related example, when this pandemic started many doctors called patients in for overdue Pneumococcal vaccinations just in case. That's a bacteria. Pneumonia can be caused by bacteria or virus or both.

[grantcart]

28. That's what I was wondering about

A couple of years ago I got an unbelievable sore throat and in the middle of the night made my wife drive me to the emergency room because I wasn't sure if I would be able to breathe in a couple more hours.

At the ER I asked if it was viral or bacterial and the doctor said "if it is this bad, it could be both" which mystified me.

I got it again a year later and went into a urgent care and they tested me and said I was positive for virus.

I looked at the doctor and told him that I understood what that meant but I would like to be prescribed an antibiotic. He started to roll his eyes but I told him that I had the exact same thing a year before and the antibiotic cleared it up and he reluctantly wrote me a prescription.

In both cases the antibiotic cleared up the "viral" infection in 2 hours.

I wonder if sometimes (not in the case of the Coronavirus) bacterial infections can masquerade or carry around some virus which will dissipate if the bacterial part is wiped out.

Thanks

[IronLionZion]

31. They're studying that and doctors have varying opinions on it

Many doctors are against antibiotics and are reluctant to prescribe them because they feel Americans are building up antibiotic resistance. Others are up for trying it to see if it works.

Antiviral drugs exist. They work by trying to stop a virus from multiplying so it would be easier for your body to fight it off.

And all this is second hand from relatives who are doctors and researchers. I have no medical qualifications.

[certainot]

23. recent limbaugh show sampling i heard a 'med worker' tell 20 mil that she knew MANY

health professionals taking it

so yeah, it works....

and it's been proven that paid callers are used on talk radio. maybe it was someone from the hydro investment committee

[magicarpet]

2. Why can't she stop in at WalMart and get a new heart ?

Problem solved....

[Rorey]

4. There you go!

I wouldn't be surprised to hear OrangeAss say something to that effect.

[still_one]

3. and it is not known if the hydroxychloroquine had any affect on the virus

[Frustratedlady]

5. I would be surprised if any doctor gives her an answer for fear they will be called into a lawsuit.

Trump has put doctors in a difficult place with patients demanding some med for Covid 19 or the resultant heart problems. It's a lose/lose situation for everyone. He should keep his mouth shut and let the scientists speak, but we know that isn't going to happen.

So, best advice is to ignore Trump totally. Never forget he isn't the sharpest tack in the box but will never acknowledge that fact.

[SWBTATTReg]

6. So, in my mind, is Wendy lying about getting the CV? A good possibility. And an antibiotic being..

prescribed for a viral condition? Yeah, right. Is Wendy lying? What do you think? I think you know my answer. She's trying to invoke feelings of compassion when she probably still continued to go despite stay at home orders, and caught the CV.

And she's jumping the gun about blaming her so called rapid heartbeat on the CV. I am in my 60s, and finally after many decades of having blackouts (and cause undetermined), it was found to be an afib condition which happens so rarely we couldn't determine what was happening (only after wearing a day in/day out monitor for 30 days was condition detected).

[jberryhill]

8. You seem not to understand..

That the regimen being pushed by the quacks and their chief researcher in France is a combination of HCQ and Azithromycin.

[LisaL]

10. Seriously?

The hydroxychloroquine with the z-pack combination is what was being prescribed for covid, despite the fact that each of this drugs can lead to heart issues. And that there was no solid evidence that it actually does anything to treat covid.

[SWBTATTReg]

11. Yeah, seriously. Doctors shouldn't be prescribing this, being that they don't know what will work,

and still do prescribe this medication. I see lawsuits coming out of this.

[LisaL]

12. Shouldn't be, but they did.

[SWBTATTReg]

14. Whatever happened to that 'do no harm to the patient'? Seems like to me that some...

quacks/'doctors' have thrown all common sense out the door and are prescribing such unproven therapies on patients, and I'm sure that the patients know what they are getting into, being that hopefully the doctor/quack told them of the possible and very negative side effects of taking such medications.

The couple of doctors I know wouldn't do this, prescribe unproven therapies, at least several of the ones I know personally who I chat w/ on a regular basis.

Especially after all of what the NY City doctors have gone through, being that being in such dire circumstances, still didn't go this route, or if they did, the treatments didn't work as well as they anticipated, otherwise people wouldn't be referring to French studies for such therapies.

Why didn't they listen to doctors here in the US? Seems like to me we've got a pretty big basis here in the US on which to draw upon actual patient histories, to see what did or didn't work. I would think that this would be the way to go, being that the US now has one of the largest depositories of information on possible treatments, if any effective treatments are there. That's why they are recommending self quarantine therapy or stay at home, to give the doctors more time to discover and apply proven therapies.

[jberryhill]

33. Who has been prescribing all those opioids?

There are doctors who will cater to their patients demands.

[luvtheGWN]

22. As Ann Landers once wrote:

"Fifty per cent of all doctors graduated in the bottom half of their class".

And, unfortunately, we don't know which ones they are.

I worry about so many lupus and RA patients who regularly require Hydroxychloroquine to control flare-ups (which are life-threatening, themselves) who now can't get their scripts filled because of the orange anus.

[LisaL]

29. Another little joke.

-What do you call a doctor who graduated last in his class?
-An MD.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

15. I can hear trump now "but she's alive, could be worse"

Hope David Farenhold doing what he does best, following the money. That might cost him big time. Playing with people's lives for profit.

[SWBTATTReg]

19. Wouldn't surprise me one bit, that rump would say such a thing...perhaps if this kind of 'hit and...

miss' approach for viable treatment therapies for the CV causes enough deaths on the sidelines, apart from the CV itself, common sense will come back into play, but I doubt it. Be safe.

[Eyeball_Kid]

21. IOW, she may have recovered from COVID without the malaria/lupus drug.

Now she has the side effect of taking Trumpy-boy's favorite panacea. She'd be better off is she were on a diet of Mars bars.

[bluecollar2]

24. I have it on good authority that injecting Clorox directly

Into the heart or consuming large quantities by mouth will eliminate a rapid heart rate.

There is however, no evidence that inserting Uv lights in one's rectum has any effect on heart disease.

[IronLionZion]

27. The president has inserted his own head

into his rectum to see for sure. The results were shitty

[Brainfodder]

30. I just laugh that anyone can take Death Count Donnie seriously at all.

He's a walking dick move wearing a giant red flag FFS?