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LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:12 AM May 2020

May I ask for some personal stories and opinions on dental issues?

Wednesday I am scheduled to have all my teeth pulled and get dentures. Scary scary stuff from getting the procedure done and adapting to life with dentures.

My teeth are strong but I have gum disease. I didn't have money to take care of it for a couple years, I was taking care of health issues. Only so much money so I had to hold off. I could have gotten partials in the back, but it has progressed. The dentist said that she could do partials and then four times a year get a special cleaning that costs so much more. I figure it would be a couple thousand a year. I am minimum wage employee. She said that she could do the partials and hope the cleanings would save my front teeth but a year or two down the road, I could just be spending more money for complete dentures.

That bill two years ago, with insurance was going to be over 5k.

I decided to just get it all done now and that is costing 7k, with insurance picking up the rest. Quality dentures, top of the line and a package that will take care of future care.

I talked to my father who has dentures and he convinced me it was not the end of the world and the procedure was doable. I was talking to a friend and she told me the horror stories of dentures and everyone is living a hell with them and go Holistic and spend money.

Can you all give me the reality and do I want to go the option of partial and try to save most of my teeth? I still have a couple days to decide. Like I said, my teeth are strong but the gum disease has caused so much damage.

Anyone want to help me out, I would appreciate it. Thanks.

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May I ask for some personal stories and opinions on dental issues? (Original Post) LizBeth May 2020 OP
have you had a second and third opinion from others? nt msongs May 2020 #1
Yes, this. sprinkleeninow May 2020 #2
My insurance is ONLY at this one company. I don't like it. Didn't know it, but is what it is. LizBeth May 2020 #6
Not advice, don't know anything, but thank you for posting since Hortensis May 2020 #35
My own personal story: fierywoman May 2020 #3
I wish I had done the research or talked to you 6 months ago. I am seeing that there is stuff LizBeth May 2020 #14
You said your teeth are strong. You *could* start now. All best to you fierywoman May 2020 #31
After reading all this I am thinking keeping about ten on the bottom and doing partials. LizBeth May 2020 #48
If you are feeling drawn to wait-and-see for a few weeks or months (the virus alone fierywoman May 2020 #50
I do not cook, all I have olive oil. My gums are like on fire, hence just saying pull em. LizBeth May 2020 #51
I know the pain of gums being so strong that I was tempted to pull out all my teeth. For me fierywoman May 2020 #54
I'm lazy. I would look at the having caps first. I have a lower rear 3-tooth one installed. TheBlackAdder May 2020 #4
What a difficult time. WhiteTara May 2020 #5
Thank you for this information They are closed Monday of course, but I will call dentist Tuesday LizBeth May 2020 #13
Yep canetoad May 2020 #55
You could check with your dentist and see if the dentures they will fit you with MagickMuffin May 2020 #7
We did talk about that and I will get permanent that will have the possibility of that. LizBeth May 2020 #10
Similar problem 15 years ago. I went for getting them all out. In addition to... TreasonousBastard May 2020 #8
My father said he found attitudes matter a lot. He says and feels the same as you do. But then, the LizBeth May 2020 #11
My thinking is a bit simplistic-- many say it's important to keep your own teeth.... TreasonousBastard May 2020 #18
I had a tooth crack, get infected then spent 2500 for a root canal. Two years later massive pain LizBeth May 2020 #20
Dental Issues are the worst! Desert grandma May 2020 #9
Thank you for this information. I did go up to silver so I would get better coverage and they are LizBeth May 2020 #12
It will not need to. Desert grandma May 2020 #17
Here is a question. LizBeth May 2020 #19
In my case, the gum disease was caused mostly by a bite problem. Desert grandma May 2020 #21
They do have removable implants MagickMuffin May 2020 #37
My advice is save your own teeth as long as you possibly can happybird May 2020 #15
I am so glad you shared your story. This is hard. I am so going to call dentist on Tuesday. LizBeth May 2020 #16
Had to look up the date- August 2011 happybird May 2020 #26
I cannot tell you how much LizBeth May 2020 #28
Ok. I've read every response to you LizBeth. 7wo7rees May 2020 #30
PCIntern did post on this thread, and I do have a couple questions. The more I think and listen to LizBeth May 2020 #49
I know several people who had all of their teeth pulled marybourg May 2020 #22
Sigh LizBeth May 2020 #24
I have upper and lower partials and I like them. Alex4Martinez May 2020 #23
Here's what I did LizBeth. Implants changed my life. Greybnk48 May 2020 #25
OK, so. Very interesting. LizBeth May 2020 #29
I'll second this KentuckyWoman May 2020 #44
My front teeth are fine, but I've had a couple of necessary extractions on my back teeth Rhiannon12866 May 2020 #27
Oh, dear. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #32
Thank you for the story LizBeth May 2020 #33
Thank you for your response. PoindexterOglethorpe May 2020 #34
As a dentist of 43 years of experience PCIntern May 2020 #36
You are the boss, here is my dentist story...and it is a great one...truly great.. Stuart G May 2020 #40
Terrific! PCIntern May 2020 #41
Yes, most fortunate indeed...and lucky too.. Stuart G May 2020 #43
So. it would be wonderful to ask you. I went in Monday and after discussion decided on full. LizBeth May 2020 #46
I learned this too late in life. shockey80 May 2020 #38
Keep at least your bottom six front teeth, is my advice. moriah May 2020 #39
I could save like ten bottom. Just the back three on each side. LizBeth May 2020 #47
So your two bottom eyeteeth aren't are already a loss? moriah May 2020 #59
How old are you? I need my wisdom teeth out and 1 of my bottom teeth removed GusFring May 2020 #42
60. I had 3 wisdom extracted at about 18. Put me to sleep and was over the real pain by the next day LizBeth May 2020 #45
I always had good teeth until about ten years ago. panader0 May 2020 #52
Thank you for this information. LizBeth May 2020 #53
Of course I wish I had taken better care of my teeth. panader0 May 2020 #56
So sorry for you.........I worked as a dental assistant for about 5 years........ a kennedy May 2020 #57
I am going to try and get another consult with dentist tomorrow. I am looking at ten teeth on bottom LizBeth May 2020 #58

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
35. Not advice, don't know anything, but thank you for posting since
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:49 AM
May 2020

I'll need to make a decision about two molars before long. I never had the tooth that should be next to them, so that's practically that whole side.

Is there a possibility of going partial for now and changing insurance after? I'm wondering what "could" means in "but a year or two down the road, I could just be spending more money for complete dentures." Might future technology/treatment give keeping your good teeth a significantly better chance of success?

You can of course pull your teeth any time, but have the long-term effects on your mouth been fully explained? Do good dentures (with implants?) keep the bones in your lower face from gradually growing smaller over the decades?

A plus for dentures of course is a definitive solution to your current problems that also protects future health, hardly nothing.

Best wishes.

fierywoman

(7,683 posts)
3. My own personal story:
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:34 AM
May 2020

I had a couple of wobbly molars, which eventually fell out. My dentist offered me options similar to yours. I read up on holistic (not expensive) alternatives in order to fight gum disease. I followed them and haven't lost any more teeth and my teeth are not wobbly. (My front teeth are still intact.) I haven't used regular toothpaste for quite a few years now (I mixed up some herbs and use them with clove oil to brush my teeth with.) It seems research is getting closer to tooth regrowth (either by stem cell or some sort of electronic stimulus.) Apparently the regrowth would be something like +/- three months and I've had the thought that that would not be possible (or practical) if all my teeth were not there. These things are very personal and there are people on this site who would quickly shoot down what I have just written, but I wanted to reach out to you.
If you're intrigued by this, you can start by looking into what is called "oil pulling" and the herbalist Dr Christopher.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
14. I wish I had done the research or talked to you 6 months ago. I am seeing that there is stuff
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:29 AM
May 2020

I could have been doing to help, and I had no idea. I really thought it was a lost cause, that it was just the way it was.

fierywoman

(7,683 posts)
31. You said your teeth are strong. You *could* start now. All best to you
Sun May 24, 2020, 02:59 AM
May 2020

however you decide to go forward.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
48. After reading all this I am thinking keeping about ten on the bottom and doing partials.
Sun May 24, 2020, 03:32 PM
May 2020

do full on top. I have paid for it and the appointment is Wednesday. Monday is off for holiday so would have to get dentist on Tuesday and have a conversation. I do not know if I can even change things up.

fierywoman

(7,683 posts)
50. If you are feeling drawn to wait-and-see for a few weeks or months (the virus alone
Sun May 24, 2020, 04:30 PM
May 2020

could be an excuse ...) there MUST be a way of getting out of what you've paid for --
If your gums are feeling tender today, try oil pulling with whatever oil you have around (even olive oil) (-- I think the preferred oil is mustard oil, but if you don't cook Indian food a lot, who has that hanging around?!?) You're supposed to go for about 10 min but even a few minutes will have a soothing effect. YES, it's as weird to do as all get out, but just try. (You can google how to do it -- very simple... just weird at first.)

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
51. I do not cook, all I have olive oil. My gums are like on fire, hence just saying pull em.
Sun May 24, 2020, 04:40 PM
May 2020

I have been using peroxide for the last week, every other night, per the nurse.

fierywoman

(7,683 posts)
54. I know the pain of gums being so strong that I was tempted to pull out all my teeth. For me
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:26 PM
May 2020

clove oil (essential oil) (rubbed on gums) takes away the pain. If you don't have clove oil maybe ground cloves (note: I've never tried this but I would if I didn't have oil.) Another note: a little sting when you first put on the clove oil but then it numbs the gums (ahhhhh!) I believe oil pulling would give you some relief right now. All best to you!

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
4. I'm lazy. I would look at the having caps first. I have a lower rear 3-tooth one installed.
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:40 AM
May 2020

.

Also, I buy the denture stuff for the elders and not a fan of the smells.

.

WhiteTara

(29,704 posts)
5. What a difficult time.
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:49 AM
May 2020

Always save as many of your own teeth as possible. If you had a bit more time than 2 days, this is what I would do to get ready and to see what you can save.

As a periodontal patient this is my suggestion and regime, get an Oral B toothbrush, water pik, dental floss and baby yarn (light color) Never let the bristles get splayed out before you change our toothbrush heads.

Twice a day, use the yarn and floss together (loop the yarn through the floss) and floss thoroughly, then use the Oral B, make sure you let it do the work and spend 10 seconds on each tooth, go around the tooth and really press it under your gums, then use the water pik to clean out any tiny amount of debris. A very light hydrogen peroxide rinse to finish your regime. I suggest you also add lots of vitamin b to your diet. One of the best ways is nutritional yeast. Start with a small amount and build up. Too much at once will give you gas and a stomach ache.

Good luck.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
13. Thank you for this information They are closed Monday of course, but I will call dentist Tuesday
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:27 AM
May 2020

and have a little more conversation. I do like her as a dentist. She is consistent, practical and took a lot of time going over stuff with me answering my questions and I always have a lot of questions.

MagickMuffin

(15,936 posts)
7. You could check with your dentist and see if the dentures they will fit you with
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:05 AM
May 2020

can be converted into mini implants. This is something I have been researching. They are expensive but perhaps doable. There are a few brave souls on the youtube that talk about it.

Good Luck!

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
10. We did talk about that and I will get permanent that will have the possibility of that.
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:22 AM
May 2020

An extra 5k and she says she likes to ask people to wait on that because often they find they do not need to do that. But yes, that can be done.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
8. Similar problem 15 years ago. I went for getting them all out. In addition to...
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:12 AM
May 2020

gum problems, my teeth were in miserable shape and crumbling.

After the initial extraction pain, and there was pain for a day or so, and the loss of sensation in the roof because of the plate covering it, everything is good. Great, even. Haven't spent a dime since the initial installation.

The key seems to be finding someone who can build a decent plate, and adjust the proper fit.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
11. My father said he found attitudes matter a lot. He says and feels the same as you do. But then, the
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:23 AM
May 2020

posts above scared me again. Thank you for your experience.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
18. My thinking is a bit simplistic-- many say it's important to keep your own teeth....
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:41 AM
May 2020

but they don't usually say why.

You own teeth will get cavities and may eventually fall out. Root canals, anyone?

A good set of fake plastic teeth will be almost indistinguishable from the real thing and may last the rest of your life.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
20. I had a tooth crack, get infected then spent 2500 for a root canal. Two years later massive pain
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:49 AM
May 2020

with another infection. That 2500 tooth fractured and my 2500 tooth had to be pulled two years later. So ya, that is one of my considerations. Now, I have only had two cavities in a lifetime and I think they were really just pits. So teeth are strong. I appreciate your perspective more than you can know.

But yes, everyone says keep as many teeth as possible.

Desert grandma

(804 posts)
9. Dental Issues are the worst!
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:20 AM
May 2020

I personally would try to hang on to as many of my own teeth as possible. In November or December, enroll in Spirit Dental which covers implants as long as the teeth are lost while you are covered. You can get on the plan now, and it will cover 25 percent. If you join in November or December, January will be year 2 and you would be covered at 50 percent. I have the plan that pays up to $3500 after a lifetime $100 deductible. This plan uses the Ameritus dental network and I have discovered it has wonderful dentists! The monthly premium in our area is $46 for that coverage. You can purchase less coverage, $1500 for $29 month. My other insurance from the job I retired from pays the other 50 percent for most major work. You may have to have a bone graft for implants if there is not enough bone to support implants. You might want to consider an other insurance plan that should cover the cost of special cleanings. It is a difficult choice. Good luck! Many of us have had these issues, and send our support.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
12. Thank you for this information. I did go up to silver so I would get better coverage and they are
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:26 AM
May 2020

paying about 8k. My mouth won't last much longer though to find a different insurance.

Desert grandma

(804 posts)
17. It will not need to.
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:39 AM
May 2020

Spirit has 25 percent coverage immediately. If you check out their network and your dentist is on it, it is probably worth the effort to get on it now. As soon as it is effective, (most likely June 1) you would be covered. I experienced your dilemma in 2000 and opted for dental implants for all of my top teeth. My bottom teeth and the bone and gums on the bottom were good. It was the top that were not. Those implants have lasted some 20 years later. Dental technology is so much better now than it was even then. So sorry LizBeth. Good luck. Dental insurance has not kept up with the cost of dental care, that's for sure. You have lots of support here for whichever way you decide to go.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
19. Here is a question.
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:42 AM
May 2020

With implants you cannot take them out so why doesn't that gum disease continue? I am getting denture that I can then pay to have as implant.

Desert grandma

(804 posts)
21. In my case, the gum disease was caused mostly by a bite problem.
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:52 AM
May 2020

I would have needed braces as a child, but my family could not afford much dental care never mind braces. My dentist fixed the bite and then I had the bone graft which replaced the bone loss from the gum disease. I also used some of the strategies also indicated in earlier posts, (electronic tooth brush, cleanings every quarter, etc). The bone graft took a few months to heal, and it was after that I had the implants on the upper teeth done. They are exactly like real teeth, and you are not limited in what you can/can't eat. I have never regretted that choice.

MagickMuffin

(15,936 posts)
37. They do have removable implants
Sun May 24, 2020, 11:55 AM
May 2020

They call them snap in dentures.

Several of the youtube videos have people who started out with tradition dentures and switched to snap in and some switching to the permanent ones.

They are pros and cons to all of them and each person is different to the experience.



happybird

(4,606 posts)
15. My advice is save your own teeth as long as you possibly can
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:30 AM
May 2020

I had all my teeth pulled several years ago and am still having a very hard time with dentures. I can’t get used to them, still can’t wear the bottom ones, and generally despise everything about them. These are my second set. The first were cheap, these ones are top of the line. I can always feel them and it drives me nuts. Always. The glues and adhesives are nasty. Everything tastes off. I have to make a concentrated effort to not push on them with my tongue. Last year, a short video my mother took of me just riding my horse made me realize how much I messed with them. I could see my jaw moving and I was making odd facial expressions as I pushed up on the fake, plastic roof of my mouth with my tongue. I had no clue I was doing it, or that it was so obvious, until I saw that video. My self esteem has taken a huge blow and I’m afraid to even attempt dating. I could keep going, but you get the picture.

Some people can adjust quickly. When you can’t, it’s awful. What scares me is I don’t know if I’ll ever adjust.

Get the partials. Don’t let them take your teeth until there is absolutely no other option.
Wishing you the best of luck.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
16. I am so glad you shared your story. This is hard. I am so going to call dentist on Tuesday.
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:34 AM
May 2020

Thank you for the information. How long ago did you get it done and how hard to learn to talk again?

happybird

(4,606 posts)
26. Had to look up the date- August 2011
Sun May 24, 2020, 02:13 AM
May 2020

My teeth were crumbling due to a medication I had been taking for years. The pain from exposed nerves was excruciating, and I waited too long to get help for any of my teeth to be saved. At first, getting them pulled was a huge relief. No more pain. I was looking forward to having a nice smile again and not being embarrassed about having what looked like meth mouth. My ex had it done and adjusted to his new dentures in about a week. So, I figured it would be no big deal.

Talking wasn’t really an issue. It sounded to me like I was lisping with the dentures in, but I wasn’t. Now, when I don’t have my teeth in (which is as often as possible), it sounds to me like I am lisping. I think it’s like hearing your own voice on a recording- it sounds weird to you but not to others.

Adjusting to eating was much harder. It took about a month to stop smacking my fork against my front teeth. It sounds dumb, but I never realized how much sensation is in your (real) teeth and the roof of your mouth. Lettuces and spinach are particularly vexing. Pieces tend to slip up over the top front and get stuck. I try not to eat salad around anyone.


7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
30. Ok. I've read every response to you LizBeth.
Sun May 24, 2020, 02:27 AM
May 2020

Here is my story quick. I had braces when braces were kinda new way back in 1970. Miserable experience resulting in lifelong aversion to dentists, period.
Fast forward to Oct 2017. Diagnosed with throat cancer and then the "team" said I needed radiation to "save my life" and that I could not possibly take care of my 81 yr old Mom and myself. I'd have to find someone else to care for her. Not ok. Then I was told I had to go to dentist to have any problem teeth removed because radiation would blow them up or something.
Still in shock, I went to periodontist that I'd been seeing since 2012.. 4 molars were removed. While healing I sought 2nd opinion from UTSouthwestern. They heard my pleas re taking care of Mom. They reviewed my records from other hospital and took me as patient. They believed other hospital botched it in a number of ways. Surgery redone in Dec 2017. I've not had chemo or radiation.
I still see same periodontist. I asked her same question, why not just pull them all and be done with it and about all the ads I see on TV. She sighed and said these places give them all a bad time. It is best for you to keep your teeth you have for as long as you can. Info upthread is full of good info. Still working on implants, this covid shut it down for a number of months now.p
Seek a 2nd opinion.
Also for me go as natural as you can.
CoQ10 is a game changer for me with gums.
Along with Wild Oil of Oregano
Essaic Tea
Vitamin C (quality)
Vitamin D (quality)
Curcumin (Tumeric)
A natural mouth rinse several times a day
Brushing and flossing

Just my story. Very sorry you are going through this. Dental should be covered with health plan, not separate. If our teeth and gums are not ok it can truly kill.
Get a really good 2nd opinion 1st before you make any decision.
Ms 7wo7rees

Take care.

Addition. You might seek out the advice here of PCIntern. Longtime member and dentist.
Also on review, you say your teeth are strong. Just gum disease (not very much info). If your teeth you have are strong you really should seek a 2nd opinion!!


LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
49. PCIntern did post on this thread, and I do have a couple questions. The more I think and listen to
Sun May 24, 2020, 03:35 PM
May 2020

other their experience and knowledge, I am considering leaving ten on the bottom and doing partial. I paid and everything is set for Wednesday, so I do not know how that can play out, calling dentist Tuesday. She wanted to do partials all along but I did not want to spend years nickle and dime'ing me to poor.

marybourg

(12,628 posts)
22. I know several people who had all of their teeth pulled
Sun May 24, 2020, 02:01 AM
May 2020

and got dentures. They all have said that they are much happier now than they were in the years of one-at -a-time tooth removals with the attendant partial denture add ons, being without the denture for up tp two weeks, the dread as another tooth became problematic, rinse and repeat.

Alex4Martinez

(2,193 posts)
23. I have upper and lower partials and I like them.
Sun May 24, 2020, 02:03 AM
May 2020

The uppers have a metal frame that has served me well, the lowers are acrylic and broke once but the cost was very reasonable, like $2,500 in a rich community. I plan to have them redone in metal.

I like having the remaining teeth that I have and can't afford implants.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
25. Here's what I did LizBeth. Implants changed my life.
Sun May 24, 2020, 02:10 AM
May 2020

I struggled with periodontal disease my entire adult life, made worse by smoking. I had beautiful teeth with almost no cavities, and was by some standards, diligent about my hygiene, but I still had bone degeneration (on the top only). I actually went so far as to have my upper and lower jaw broken and reset so that at least my teeth were such that I could some day actually comfortably wear a denture since it looked like there was no saving my upper teeth.

Flash forward to my 50's and it was decision time; my team convinced me to have my upper teeth pulled, all 11 of them left, and to either have implants or an upper denture. I would be better able to keep my mouth free of Periodontal disease with the wiggly teeth removed, and I had managed to quit smoking. I could not afford the implants so I chose the denture. It looked really nice, but because of my severe gum disease I had trouble keeping the teeth in securely.

I worried constantly about movement when I talked in front of a classroom, or even worse popping out on to the floor if I laughed too suddenly. I used adhesive paste, Sea bond, and anything I could find to hold them in. I had to find a private bathroom when ever I ate because food always got under the denture and they needed to be rinsed and re-secured. If I ate something sticky, like a caramel, it pulled the denture our of place. Also, you lose a lot of your sense of taste because the roof of your mouth is blocked. It' sucked!

I finally got my buck$ in a row and decided to get implants. It was harrowing, since I just barely had enough bone left to do it. I got something called a "one on four" denture that is and entire upper row of teeth shaped like a horseshoe on four implants with the roof of your mouth not covered like with a denture. Unfortunately for me, they had to modify mine and I still have a full denture including the roof of my mouth. My bone was too weak to give up that support. But they don't move, I can eat normally, they look fabulous, and I'm thrilled. Had I known it was going to be this good, I would have gone this route 10 years earlier and taken out a loan or something. AND the "one on four' is much cheaper than doing implants other ways. I highly recommend you look into this fix. Ten years+ later I have no regrets!

I truly hope this helps you and good luck! Edited to add: My implants wound up costing me much less than I was quoted. I was told $15K to $18K, which was too expensive for me. It turned out that my insurance covered the surgery and some of the technical things, which they thought would not be covered. Medicare picked up a bunch! I wound up paying between $10k and $11k, no regrets. I use them every day and don't dread bad things anymore.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
29. OK, so. Very interesting.
Sun May 24, 2020, 02:20 AM
May 2020

Thank you. The ones I am getting have the possibility of implants. Two screws in both sides of the front of the mouth. She said that would be another 5k but to wait on that to see if I really need it. But these dentures do have that possibility. Is that the kind of thing you are talking about?

KentuckyWoman

(6,679 posts)
44. I'll second this
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:31 PM
May 2020

I lost my teeth in my 30's .. I'm now in my late 70's. The dentures were always a fuss. The fit was never quite right.
7 years ago I got implants and more was covered than I expected as well. $6500 or so out of pocket. ... NO regrets. It isn't perfect but it is SO much better.

Rhiannon12866

(205,267 posts)
27. My front teeth are fine, but I've had a couple of necessary extractions on my back teeth
Sun May 24, 2020, 02:14 AM
May 2020

So I have what my dentist calls a "bridge" on each side. It's not a denture, but a tooth that's attached to the remaining tooth. I have had gum issues, too, but my dentist has done root planing to help with that and a water pic helps and gets rid of debris that flossing doesn't reach. I recommend keeping your teeth if you can - my grandmother was very proud of having all her teeth and passed that down to us. When she was hospitalized, whenever she was asked if she needed anything, she requested getting her teeth "cleaned."

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
32. Oh, dear.
Sun May 24, 2020, 03:17 AM
May 2020

I offer you much, much sympathy.

When I was twelve years old I fell face down on ice and broke a front tooth, which led to many years of dental problems. I'll spare you all the details, but not long after the local dentist thought he could do a root canal on that tooth without any anesthesia. Is it any wonder that sixty years later I still avoid dentists?

I will offer the opinion that saving as much as possible of your own teeth is a good idea. I will also offer the example of my own mother, who had terrible, soft, crumbly teeth, and had them all extracted by the time she was 40 or so. She went toothless for several years, and then got dentures. We are talking the 1950s, when this sort of stuff wasn't as sophisticated as now. I do recall that she spent at least a year, perhaps more, getting those dentures right. Many fittings, many adjustments. In the end, her dentures lasted about 45 years, until she died. She could eat anything and everything she wanted.

So I will also point out that dentures can be truly wonderful, but it eventually depends on the dentist and how well he works with you.

I sincerely hope you end up with a good result.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
33. Thank you for the story
Sun May 24, 2020, 03:22 AM
May 2020

I tell you, it just helps me to hear other people and I value each and every one of your stories. Thank you.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,853 posts)
34. Thank you for your response.
Sun May 24, 2020, 03:27 AM
May 2020

It's clear from the many posts here that there is not one simple solution to a problem like yours. I very much hope that all of what's been posted is helpful to you.

I wish there were an "I love you" emoji here. since there isn't one, I'll settle for this.

PCIntern

(25,541 posts)
36. As a dentist of 43 years of experience
Sun May 24, 2020, 06:31 AM
May 2020

I can tell you that virtually everyone here Is correct in their surmises and assertions

The question is: what will YOU be happiest with consistent with the other “healths” in your personal existence?

Just remember: if the only measure which is reasonable at this time is full-mouth extraction, you can always have implants or mini-implants placed later. Being edentulous firever is no longer required should you elect that path presently.

Best of luck during this difficult time.

PC

Stuart G

(38,420 posts)
40. You are the boss, here is my dentist story...and it is a great one...truly great..
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:13 PM
May 2020

...My dentist discovered a growth on my tongue....due to an inhaler given to me by an MD I was going to.

I had that growth checked out and found that it was malignant.

...So, I went to an another MD...an ears, nose and throat specialist. He decided to operate on my tongue...I went back to the tongue cutter, (that is what I called him) a few months later..and the growth had come back...So he cut it again, and then one more time...Yes, 3 surgeries on my tongue...last one was done in late 2006...guess what?

.......Stuart is still here and typing on my computer..14 years after the last surgery

..............Yes.The dentist saved my life by finding that .."growth" on my tongue... Nice fellow too. ..Gary...

PCIntern

(25,541 posts)
41. Terrific!
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:15 PM
May 2020

I’ve found not a few of these myself. You’re most fortunate as I’m certain you know!

Stuart G

(38,420 posts)
43. Yes, most fortunate indeed...and lucky too..
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:19 PM
May 2020


In honor of those you helped.....THANK YOU, THANK YOU, AND THANK YOU....

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
46. So. it would be wonderful to ask you. I went in Monday and after discussion decided on full.
Sun May 24, 2020, 02:09 PM
May 2020

I did ask lots of questions and dentist went from partials to full because she saw I wanted the easiest and financially safest route, get it done and no risk I would have to come in later. But if I did partials, on the bottom I would take three back ones on both side. Top of mouth I could only save like three front teeth.

I really do not want more bone loss because it is harder getting good fit with dentures.

As a dentist, you have a customer that gets it all figured on a Monday and pays and all. Then calls on the next Tuesday, a day before the procedure. How welcoming would you be, having a conversation about other possibilities? Haven't I already set my course with getting the healer dentures for the procedure on Wednesday? I do not think they have started the permanent dentures yet. I do like my dentist and she has worked hard to be upfront and answer all my questions patiently. As you can see, I ask lots of questions and listen. I have had no issue with my teeth to this point so though I educated myself some going in there, I do not know if I just want the easy final decision on this.

Have you ever had a customer shift right before the procedure?

 

shockey80

(4,379 posts)
38. I learned this too late in life.
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:04 PM
May 2020

Floss, Floss, Floss, and brush twice a day.

In my case all my teeth came in bunched up when I was young. I needed braces but my parents could not afford it. Later in life it caught up to me. I decided to go with bridges. If you floss everyday a bridge can last a very long time.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
39. Keep at least your bottom six front teeth, is my advice.
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:05 PM
May 2020

If your teeth are strong, you will WANT a partial, or a bottom plate anchored with either just your bottom eyeteeth or implants.

The reason being -- a top plate, fitted properly and relined routinely, will stay in place. You won't even have to use adhesives if you get it done right.

A bottom plate will NOT, or at least will have a lot more trouble staying in place. The bottoms take the force of the bite and need anchoring.

My mother got her two eyeteeth root canalled/crowned vs an implant/crown, because through the root canal and crowning despite her advanced gum disease they were able to anchor at least those two teeth correctly to her jawline. Her bottom is a partial, and while it's only a partial for those two teeth, she eats much better than people who don't have that anchoring.

I have my six front lower, and will eventually have to lose the front four of those six, but my eyeteeth are staying. My partial breaks a lot easier, but then again, I can also eat things even Mom can't, having six natural front teeth on the bottom vs just 2.

Edit to clarify:

1) Mom's extractions were for advanced gum disease. Even then, 30-ish years ago, they were able to save her bottom lower canines. She hasn't had to have much work done on those two teeth to have kept them for her anchoring, and it was far cheaper than implants.

2) My extractions were due to severe dental pain/cosmetic issues after breaking top teeth and dealing with the results of chronic dry mouth from medications/medical conditions. My teeth were not solid, were paining me actively. I regret NOTHING about getting my extractions done, though I had it done by an oral surgeon so experienced much less of it. I was back to work doing phone customer service in two weeks -- practiced talking by reading Robert Jordan books aloud at home. But I'm glad they were able to save my bottom six.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
47. I could save like ten bottom. Just the back three on each side.
Sun May 24, 2020, 02:13 PM
May 2020

It is just with periodontal, I would have to get an expensive cleaning four times a year. It would be easier with four teeth, but that is a lot of money while working minimum wage.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
59. So your two bottom eyeteeth aren't are already a loss?
Tue May 26, 2020, 02:29 AM
May 2020

Do what you gotta do. Money is tight. The two eyeteeth are the most important.

If you can keep them, cleaning 2 teeth is a lot easier. And with mom doing the crown/root canal anchoring of her eyeteeth to her jawline, she hasn't really kept up with her periodontal care and can still eat most things with her dentures, nor has she had any issues with them loosening.

Just saying, if it's at all possible to keep the lower bottom canines, most dentists will recommend doing so, just to keep the plates from sliding/needing to use adhesive.

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Also, if you do what the dentist says and take the painkillers before the numb wears off, be careful and don't do what I did, which was drool bloody water all over the bathroom in the process. I shoulda done it over the sink, but was still kinda loopy from the stuff they gave me for oral surgery.

Looked like a bathroom murder scene under blacklight after I tried to clean it all up...

 

GusFring

(756 posts)
42. How old are you? I need my wisdom teeth out and 1 of my bottom teeth removed
Sun May 24, 2020, 12:16 PM
May 2020

But I don't want all of my teeth gone. I'm not even 40 yet. That would be scary.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
45. 60. I had 3 wisdom extracted at about 18. Put me to sleep and was over the real pain by the next day
Sun May 24, 2020, 01:56 PM
May 2020

I had one molar fracture and they had to pull it about 54. The shot was the worse part but it was so painful with an infection I wanted to kiss the guy after.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
52. I always had good teeth until about ten years ago.
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:00 PM
May 2020

Like you, I had problems below the gum line. I am on SS so in Az I am getting AHCCCS, that pays
most of my medical stuff. I learned in November of 2016 that AHCCCS would provide $2500 for needed
dental work. That amount would be reduced to $1250 in 2017. So I planned to have the work done in
December of 2016 and finish paying in 2017. The dental office worked with me on the financing.
I spent about $500 out of pocket.
I still had 20 teeth, but some were loose and some were stained badly. So I went in right after Christmas
and had all of my teeth pulled and was fitted for dentures after the swelling went down.
By early February I had my new teeth, very good job, except that they were slightly smaller than
my old teeth. I mentioned this and my dentists made me another set for lab costs only. I ended doing a free ad for them
on the radio. (Jeannie runs three stations)
They work well and look good, but I wasn't quite prepared for the psychological aspects of being toothless.
It seemed weird for a while, but I have no more fevers or abscesses. Easy to take care of. I remove them at bedtime
and put them in a glass with a foaming tablet to clean them. If you have a dog, don't leave your dentures where the
dog can get them and chew them up. I have never used polident or any such stuff, just pop them in, they stay put
very well. Some foods I cut up a bit to eat. Not much problem with eating. Still, they are an "appliance" and sometimes
after eating I will go in the bathroom and take them out and rinse.
Great not to have any teeth problems anymore. No more toothbrushes, toothpaste, floss, etc.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
53. Thank you for this information.
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:15 PM
May 2020

I hear your story and others that experience is like yours, and then I hear a majority, keep your teeth as long as possible. I appreciate your story because if I do full dentures, I can think of you. I appreciate it.

panader0

(25,816 posts)
56. Of course I wish I had taken better care of my teeth.
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:29 PM
May 2020

I was a single dad with three kids and money was always tight. I could have done better.
If I ever get some real money, I'll get implants. But as some above have mentioned, if you keep just
a few, you may later have trouble with them and then have to go through the whole thing again.
Also, I believe that once you have your teeth removed, your gum disease will be removed too.
It's the crud under the gums on the teeth that cause the inflammation. I'm happier now, but it took a while
to adjust to being toothless. Oatmeal, split pea soup and mashed potatoes for a few weeks.

a kennedy

(29,655 posts)
57. So sorry for you.........I worked as a dental assistant for about 5 years........
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:39 PM
May 2020

and my dentist ALWAYS said keep your own teeth as long as you can. JMHO. Lower dentures are always problematic because they move, uppers don’t move. I’m hoping you can live through it all and hope only the best, good luck.

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
58. I am going to try and get another consult with dentist tomorrow. I am looking at ten teeth on bottom
Mon May 25, 2020, 05:27 PM
May 2020

I can keep and just do partials. Get top done, partials on bottom. I hear everyone state keep teeth as long as you can, consistently. I hear nothing after that. Why? Why is that so consistent.

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