ARGGGG! My evangelical brother wrote and asked if him + wife + me could get together

[Maraya1969]

because they are flying down here to take care of some things after our mom's death on Feb. 20 2020. This is the evangelical who has told me that has been getting together with everyone sans masks.

AND I have asthma which has caused me to be hospitalized 4 times in my life from getting the flu and a subsequent infection in my lungs.

I emailed him and told him we could get together is they would wear a mask.

I just got an email
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Dear XXXXX, (ME)


Well, I am sorry that we will not see you. We will visit next time.


Fondly,


XXXXX (Brother)




What kind of a fucking inconsiderate prig won't wear a mask to see his sister who is in a high risk group for this damn virus????

[wryter2000]

1. Thank the fates for his answer

Unless he had one of the good masks, he wasn't likely to keep you safe, anyway.

[NellieStarbuck]

47. Sure would have been a nice gesture, though.

[Sgent]

73. Nope

OP needs a good mask.

Even a bad mask keeps droplets from being expelled into the air and prevents transmission -- it just doesn't protect the wearer.

[whathehell]

75. Yep

Less than perfect masks DO protect wearers, just not to the same degree as the "best" ones.

[Mars and Minerva]

79. I think you were taking a risk seeing them at all with any restrictions.

They are probably out there spreading death where ever they go.

[DanieRains]

2. A Modern KKKristian

That's who.

Cults Are Us!

[dawg day]

3. What a jerk. Will you respond?

"I'm sorry that you are more devoted to flagrantly defending the unhealthy practices Trump, who cares nothing for you, than to being with the sister who loves you."

[flying_wahini]

82. Keeping this note for my Talibangelicals family.

[Raven]

4. I'd tell him exactly that. n/t

[fleabiscuit]

5. That's quite inconsiderate of him. Sorry. nt

[Floyd R. Turbo]

6. You answered your question!

[whistler162]

7. Assk him for the bible chapter and verse

Where "Infect thy neighbor along with thy self" is!

[dhill926]

8. that would be the end of it for me....

fuck 'im....

[jimfields33]

9. Seems over the top

Doesn’t make sense.

[sarcasmo]

10. #Cult45 has hold of your brother.

[Newest Reality]

11. Me! Me! Me!!!

How interesting that some people can profess one thing and act in the opposite way.

I would say you may be around for a while and make it through this, whereas your Brother may not if he keeps his inane ignorance of the how and why of PPE. That's his loss because you can't be selfish and self-centered when you are dead. He will miss out on all his enjoyment of being all about him.

You did the right thing, IMHO.

[eShirl]

12. selfish

[TlalocW]

13. My advice

Don't do anything. Sit on it. Eventually, he'll make a request of you, and you can shoot it out of the water.

TlalocW

[still_one]

14. Use Zoom

[dameatball]

15. You gave him a very reasonable option and he refused. Social/family things can be touchy even in

"normal" times. Right now he is showing you that the visit really didn't mean all that much to him. Sad to say but that's the world at the moment.

[Sherman A1]

16. I would simply not respond

and make no effort to make contact with him. If he contacts you in the future. I would be very, very slow to respond if I did so at all and stay strictly on the topic of the discussion, no more, no less.

[gristy]

36. 2nd that

[yonder]

17. From my point of view, the "Fondly" was a

twist of the knife. I don't know him of course, but that seems to be intentionally irritating.

[PatSeg]

77. Yeah

That jumped out at me as well. Sounds very intentional and a bit condescending.

[TruckFump]

18. What kind of a fucking inconsiderate prig won't wear a mask to see his sister who is in a high risk?

RW Religious nut.

[lostnfound]

19. Hugs...I am sorry, and feel your pain

It is very disappointing when callousness and lack of caring which has become the new religion of the right spills over into family relations.

I got annoyed with mine when he sent me some rightwing hate-on-liberals messages a month ago. and the thing is, I don’t think that he will ever try to reconnect, he will wait for me to do so. Because they just don’t care?

[Scarsdale]

40. Sounds like a typical

tRump voter to me.

[samnsara]

20. sounds like you won..glad you wont be exposed to whatever they have on them..

[cayugafalls]

21. Dump has driven this country further into division than any administration in history.

There is no good answer to your question.

Your brother was probably a good man as you are a good woman, but he has been deluded and brainwashed by the rights constant sound machine and his ideology has been warped beyond comprehension.

Perhaps reminding him to respect your health concerns and the fact that you love him would help him see that wearing a mask just for the visit would not jeopardize his ideology, perhaps not.

I do not know what the right course of action is, whether to email him back and ask for respect or let it lie and just move on. It depends on whether you feel his love and friendship is worth the fight.

I am very sorry that dump has done this to your family. I do blame dump and his administration directly for the current divide.

It is why we must fight so hard to bring sanity back to this country on November 3rd.

[BComplex]

66. That's an awesome post. And you're right: he's brainwashed.

It's hard to feel compassion for the brainwashed ones, because they keep dividing us further and further, deeper into the family ties, which really really hurts.

And all this after just losing their mother. It is heartbreaking.

[Frances]

22. You are lucky

You can relax that you were willing to meet him but are now spared having all the anxiety you would experience if he visited. It’s almost certain that not all his family would have kept their masks on.
You can comfort yourself with the fact that the Jesus of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John would never have exposed you to an unnecessary risk. Jesus was about love and caring.
Personally, I resent the fact that Evangelicals are considered Christian because they do so many things that are in direct contradiction to the parables of Jesus Christ.

[Squidly]

71. They are christians in name only

Some of the most vile, heartless assholes I have ever met are evangelicals and even worse yet, the ordained minister crowd. Now, not saying they are ALL like that, but the ones I have dealt with certainly are. Most just do it for the tax breaks and so they can feel more holy than the rest of us and just rub it in our faces.

[Marcuse]

23. If none of that works tell him that King James was gay.

[safeinOhio]

41. The Devil, you say.

Jaws drop when I mention that. I also say not to buy anything Paul says as he came around 100 years later and saw him in a dream, if that's not true, then Jesus has already returned and took off again.

[luvtheGWN]

43. And don't forget this:

The Book of Revelation was a series of dreams by John. Not sure what drugs he was taking at the time, but I'm betting no 70's hippy could have come up with something so....so.....what's the word?.....extra-extraordinary.

And yet these evangelicals take it word for word for word.

[homegirl]

57. John the Good

wrote the Book of Revelation on the Greek, possibly Turkish at the time, island of Patmos. I have visited the cave John lived in while he wrote Revelation and it is an ideal location to grow Magic mushrooms.

[shadowmayor]

44. Or

Jesus thought Leprosy was caused by demon possession because he had no idea what bacteria was.

[Tipperary]

76. Because being gay is bad,right?

[Marcuse]

81. Some evangelicals have been known to express that opinion.

[Warpy]

24. You answered your own question

Tell the fucking inconsiderate prig all face to face time will be via computer until a vaccine comes out and his sloppy egocentric habits won't threaten your life.

Or not.

[Traildogbob]

25. Family

I have a born again brother that hates Obama and socialist and those black and browns that take everything. He ownes a cabinet shop, very high end great quality work. He lies about his income to the Feds to get massive subsidies from Obama care for him, his wife and child. Massive pre-existing conditions. Pays less than $150 a month for health insurance. Just got a $30,000 PPE loan from the last care package. So he Just bought a new car. Loved the socialist $1200 gifts for him and his wife, that trump and Mitch gave them. Racist as hell, and their child is a mixed race, back/white, adopted at birth. Throws out God Bless You’s like Santa does candy at Christmas parade. Has to hold Hands and pray every meal. I Actually have no desire to visit. Lives in Georgia, loves Kemp and told me no way the black woman should get elected as Governor. I Sent my elderly frail dad a mask, he told him to spray Lysol on it to reuse over and over. Whatta you do? Lost all respect fir him. And whatever God it is he follows. Kemp will get my dad killed for going to church. Probably my brother as well. Rusty Limpballs and Fox are their source of info. God bless you, amen.

[mwb970]

26. You already know the answer to that one.

[H2O Man]

27. Yikes!

There are those who refuse to wear a mask etc because they are convinced that it infringes on their "rights." And others who are sure that their faith will protect them. Both are aggressively ignorant, and exactly as you said, "fucking inconsiderate prigs."

Stay safe. Set firm boundaries.

[LisaL]

28. You are better off.

Masks, especially homemade type, don't offer a guarantee. If he doesn't regularly follow precautions (which him refusing to wear mask when meeting with you certainly indicates) you are better off avoiding meeting him.

[flor-de-jasmim]

29. At least he didn't say yes and then arrive w/o mask.

Sometimes sporadic email is best. Better than zoom in some cases.
Hope you are able to stay healthy.

[paleotn]

30. Simple no, what are you trying to do, kill me?....will suffice.

If not, go fuck yourself works for me at times.

[StarryNite]

31. no words...

[lunatica]

32. Count your blessings.

Be sure to stay away from anyone he comes in contact too.

[orleans]

33. i didn't even finish reading your post and i'm thinking

"tell him no, tell him no, tell him no"

i'm glad he won't be around you.
you don't need that kind of bullshit.
he's a spreader.
fuck that.

[TheBlackAdder]

34. I would treat any Evangelical as either infected or a carrier, because they are followers.

[Kitchari]

35. I have a brother like that, too

and I am sad that your brother hurts you. I've found a peaceful detachment that is helpful, talking to him in a neutral way when he occasionally calls. I am not his preferred "brand" of religion (!!!)

[Ford_Prefect]

37. The evangelicals I've known live in an alternate reality bubble. I'm sure you already knew that.

To me it's as if they are junkies stoned so they can't perceive the world accurately. They don't want to kick the addiction since they don't realize what it is. The drug makes them feel safe when they aren't and they do things dangerous to others while under the influence.

And they always want you to try it, too.

[boston bean]

38. Number one, very sorry about your mom. My condolences.

Number two sorry you have a brainwashed brother.

I am sure you love him as he is your brother, but his response is selfish and mean.

Keep safe.

[yaesu]

39. I haven't talked to my evilgelical brother in over 5 years, just don't have time for brain dead cult

members.

[forgotmylogin]

42. I would have just said no.

You’re high risk. Not worth it.

[griloco]

45. TrumpMark

[Joinfortmill]

46. You did the right thing. Stay safe. Vote.

[0rganism]

48. not the best-case scenario, but far from the worst-case too

at least this way there's a very low chance he infects you or wastes your time arguing about it endlessly

[barbtries]

49. a brainwashed brother.

i have one too.

ETA that my brother is not an evangelical, he's on fox news 24/7 for many years now.

[Paladin]

50. Step One: Contact a lawyer re your mom's estate.

Step Two: Detach from your brother completely. It's what he deserves, and it's what you're entitled to.

[ismnotwasm]

51. A lot of people think this virus is a political statement opportunity

Forgetting that a virus does not care. It’s sad, it’s silly and it’s deadly.

[Hulk]

52. A fucking inconsiderate hypocrite...

Sorry for being so frank, but I would write him off totally.

These hypocrites who call themselves “conservatives” or “Christians” are nothing of the sort. They have grabbed the title, but are clearly hypocrites and phony cult stooges.

The previous suggestions are far more reserved than how I would respond. It’s obvious his allegiance to fox/Putin mentality and his honoring of this Draft Dodging Coward far outweigh his care for you and your wife’s health and safety.

Fuck him....the loser.

[Upthevibe]

53. Maraya1969....I'm so pissed off for you!

And sad for you as well....

[niyad]

54. I am so sorry to hear about your mother. My deepest condolences.

And my deepest sympathies that your brother is such a dangerously deluded jackass. Glad that you won't be at risk from him.

[wnylib]

55. Even if he did wear a mask, it would

not be safe to be around him. Sinceche is careless about masks, he is also no doubt careless about crowds and distancing. So he could be bringing the virus woth him surface contact.

As for what kind of person he is, the answer seems obvious. He is a very self-centered and thoughtless person, as are all people who refuse to wear masks.

Maybe his attitude hurts and makes you feel angry, but you are better off not being around him right now. He is both physically and psychologically toxic.

[Woodwizard]

56. Inconsiderate

Every time I see a post about family issues I am grateful for mine, me and my brothers and extended family are close and on the same page in our thinking if not geographically. My wife's side is mostly republicans but they are taking the virus very seriously too.

[Cary]

58. Cult followers will be cult followers

[the_sly_pig]

59. Evangelicals are religious... they are not Christian. nt

[cannabis_flower]

60. Well, 2 things

Probably just as well since the masks aren't 100%

But you still could get together, if you have a yard, you could set out chairs on the lawn about 8 feet apart outside. No hugging. No coming any nearer. I don't think that would be a risk, unless he's such a jerk that he would insist on a hug.

[Wounded Bear]

61. I once loaned a guy $20 and never saw him again...

it was worth it.

Life is hard enough.

[dlk]

62. It's heartbreaking when family members let us down in such a big way

You deserve a brother who cares more for your well-being than being right. Unfortunately, sometimes the people closest to us are broken inside and not capable of doing what is rational, logical and decent. Sometimes they are acting out old power struggles from the past. I’m sorry for your loss and wish you good health and safety.

[keithbvadu2]

63. A self-righteous evangelical.

[pwb]

64. Fox news viewers?

They are ignorant fucks.

[tavernier]

65. Dear Brother,

Yes, I hope we can visit next time. And I hope that by then you will have found the path that Christ was teaching us to follow, because your supposed religion has gone far off of those tracks.

Fondly - and I mean it because I would never sacrifice your health to a hollow political gesture - Sis

[Skittles]

67. seriously demented

I mean, WTF

I've said it before, these freaks care more about Trump than they do their own family

[leftyladyfrommo]

68. What a jerk. nt

[roamer65]

69. If you respond just say, "sounds good, later."

[Cha]

70. The answer is in the question. So Sorry,

Maraya

[littlemissmartypants]

72. Thank him for making his most logical and loving decision considering your chronic

illness and the fact that we are in the middle of a pandemic battling with the most elusive of highly infectious and invisible enemies. Tell him that you appreciate his reply. Wish him luck. Then flick him off your mind like a bug.

Stress kills us as quickly as anything.

It would've taken more than a mask to save you from the contagion he would have exposed you to anyway and you don’t need any further aggravation.

Good luck to you and yours, Maraya1969.

❤ lmsp

[mercuryblues]

74. Dear Brother

I Love you dearly. I just wish you loved me enough to wear a mask for an hour. As you know, I am in a high risk group and being very careful. There is a saying that the good Lord helps those who help themselves. I am sure he is very busy answering so many prayers right now, he doesn't need me added to the list. That's assuming you would pray for me.

I know prayers are easier to do than putting a mask on for an hour, but you know, wearing a mask for an hour is easier than attending my funeral.

You're ever loving sister in Christ

[Josiesdad]

78. The Holier than Thou club used to proudly ask "What Would Jesus Do?"

... and proselytize implying that they and only they knew the answer to that question.

They may still pay lip service to that point of view but in their actions they seem to have flipped the question to: "What would the Money Changers Do?"

[Locrian]

80. there is zero reason for him not to wear a mask

except "pride" that he is a "true believer" in whatever cult he's in.
Compassion, everything else - even if he thinks he's "humoring" you would dictate otherwise.

Oh, yeah. Isn't pride #7 on the list of deadly sins?

[Bettie]

83. One who thinks that it isn't real or

that it is "just the flu".

My brother is precisely the same way. He proudly doesn't wear a mask and brags that he washes his hands LESS now than before.

[SWBTATTReg]

84. These so called christian capitalists are one of the worse kinds ... quick to sprout dogma and yet

quicker to grab those dollar bills. My alcoholic sister asked if I would drive 4 hours to rural MO to see them. I said are you kidding? To drive and possibly put myself and others in harms' way during times such as this? She was taken aback, kind of laughed it off when I think she realized just how idiotic her request was.