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GusFring

(756 posts)
Sun May 24, 2020, 03:52 PM May 2020

So as a black man Im noticing something disturbing. Many in my community want to

Hold their vote hostage. But hold it hostage from 1 party. And multi millionaires like Diddy and Ice Cube are starting to push this. So basically only 1 party is being held accountable. When Mitch McConnell tells you his only objective is for Barack Obama to fail, you think he cares about helping the black community? Day by day I lose a lil more hope each day in this country being great again. Just frustrating.

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So as a black man Im noticing something disturbing. Many in my community want to (Original Post) GusFring May 2020 OP
Sounds divisive. pwb May 2020 #1
What does Diddy and Ice Cube have to do with anything? HipChick May 2020 #2
They are both millionaires superpatriotman May 2020 #13
Tell that to them Mosby May 2020 #14
Go ahead vote for the one who lies every time he speaks. Or kacekwl May 2020 #25
Normally, I really like Joy Reid. She's a kick-ass newscaster and journalist. But BComplex May 2020 #32
If true it want be many or at least ones who don't vote anyways . . Iliyah May 2020 #3
The way I see it the time to strike is when the iron is hot lunatica May 2020 #4
I don't worry about how black people vote. We whites on the other hand... lostnfound May 2020 #5
Sounds like the common human greed for power more than anything else... TreasonousBastard May 2020 #6
Diddy did that in 2016. I do not trust him. He has been in NYC for years and probably has close ties helpisontheway May 2020 #7
sorry, what did Diddy do? Skittles May 2020 #9
What didn't Diddy do, did he? jberryhill May 2020 #10
I have this in my head now! Skittles May 2020 #15
He is always saying to hold the black vote hostage..Our vote is not free..For people helpisontheway May 2020 #12
OK thanks Skittles May 2020 #17
Yup. Tipperary May 2020 #34
Sounds like Diddy might be sdfernando May 2020 #21
We need more info on this jimfields33 May 2020 #8
I've noticed this also but many on here tman May 2020 #11
It's not just people here.. Cha May 2020 #18
What can I say? Tom Rinaldo May 2020 #16
Only ONE thing matters; do you want 4 more years of Trump or not? oldsoftie May 2020 #19
+1 ChiTownDenny May 2020 #27
It's disturbing that Ice Cube and Diddy think they control who I vote for Wanderlust988 May 2020 #20
Sounds like typical rich guy behavior to me. Warpy May 2020 #22
I would like to see the Democratic party... lame54 May 2020 #23
We progressive and Democratic voters of ALL colors better hold up maxrandb May 2020 #29
Ideological purity whether it be black or white. keithbvadu2 May 2020 #24
Add Yanggangers to that dustyscamp May 2020 #26
Oh, dumb Diddy do dumb dumb OnDoutside May 2020 #28
Diddy and Ice Cube: "But I want you (the democratic party) to do me a favor, though." BComplex May 2020 #30
Yes, only one party is held accountable. betsuni May 2020 #31
Huh? Tipperary May 2020 #33
Policy recommendations of Hakeem Jeffries, Barack Obama, Adam Schiff oasis May 2020 #35
k&r Demovictory9 May 2020 #36
Read Diddy's Twitter feed. Trumpocalypse May 2020 #37
As long as the Senate is run by the GOP TexasBushwhacker May 2020 #38
One older white man worked under a young black man for eight years & had his back. CrispyQ May 2020 #39

superpatriotman

(6,246 posts)
13. They are both millionaires
Sun May 24, 2020, 04:46 PM
May 2020

They should vote republican

Any one who is not a millionaire should vote Democrat.

kacekwl

(7,010 posts)
25. Go ahead vote for the one who lies every time he speaks. Or
Sun May 24, 2020, 06:16 PM
May 2020

better yet don't vote at all . That will help you . I hate hostage takers.

BComplex

(8,017 posts)
32. Normally, I really like Joy Reid. She's a kick-ass newscaster and journalist. But
Sun May 24, 2020, 07:32 PM
May 2020

she just doesn't get it. Half the time the democratic party doesn't show up for democrats.

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
3. If true it want be many or at least ones who don't vote anyways . .
Sun May 24, 2020, 04:02 PM
May 2020

The ones that do vote are determined to vote shithole out of office.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
4. The way I see it the time to strike is when the iron is hot
Sun May 24, 2020, 04:08 PM
May 2020

It doesn’t matter what your movement is. Right now is a once in historical opportunity to create the world we want because the old paradigm is failing fast. Those who don’t take advantage of this will be left behind.

As tragic as this pandemic is, it’s destruction of the old models is still an opportunity for those who want to create a better future.

lostnfound

(16,161 posts)
5. I don't worry about how black people vote. We whites on the other hand...
Sun May 24, 2020, 04:09 PM
May 2020

If we Whites counted only “three-fifths“ as much, we might have had several other fine presidents.

👀

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
6. Sounds like the common human greed for power more than anything else...
Sun May 24, 2020, 04:12 PM
May 2020

Being black is simply the vehicle, not the cause.

And there's no way they can gain any leverage over Republicans, so they go where the "money" is. They do not give a shit about anyone but themselves, and are using racism for personal gain.

helpisontheway

(5,004 posts)
12. He is always saying to hold the black vote hostage..Our vote is not free..For people
Sun May 24, 2020, 04:40 PM
May 2020

not to be scared about Trump. He is saying we can't trust politicians period. That we need to hold Biden accountable to changing things in the black community. Basically the same thing that happened with that breakfast interview the other day. All of that might be true. The democrats might be taking the vote for granted. However, Trump is a danger to every single citizen. We must get him out. Biden is better than Trump any day of the week. I truly believe he will surround himself with good people and work to help people of color. He has strong ties to the community. The thing is people like Diddy have power within the black community. I believe they are part of the reason that black people did not vote in large numbers last time. Plus (from conversations that I have had) I believe that many blacks were pissed at the way Hillary treated Barack during 2008. It was a really nasty campaign and people were pissed. Hell..I was pissed but I still voted for her. I knew Trump was the equivalent to the devil and that Clinton would have been the most qualified president ever. I think black people learned last time not to stay home. Boy have they learned about Trump. HOPEFULLY, they will not listen to people like DIDDY that essentially wants them to take a stand regardless of the consequences. Trump is too much of a danger to take that chance.

Skittles

(153,111 posts)
17. OK thanks
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:00 PM
May 2020

I absolutely DO believe the black vote has been taken for granted but I'm hopeful that Biden and many others learned this lesson from the last election.....we will see. I do wish Biden would think more about what he says. As far as Hillary goes, it was a CAMPAIGN and stuff happens. To allow someone like Trump to be president as some kind of punishment was sickening.

sdfernando

(4,923 posts)
21. Sounds like Diddy might be
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:35 PM
May 2020

the Susan Sarandon of this election.

Regardless of who is elected Diddy will be just fine.....but what about all the African Americans barely making it right now?...or living in poverty? How will re-electing the tangeranus make their lives better?

tman

(983 posts)
11. I've noticed this also but many on here
Sun May 24, 2020, 04:37 PM
May 2020

Still claiming Biden's words were 'no big deal' don't know what we're up against.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,911 posts)
16. What can I say?
Sun May 24, 2020, 04:58 PM
May 2020

Both in 2016 and 2020 it was Black primary voters who were mostly responsible for picking the Democratic Party nominee when the nomination was on the line. This year especially. We had both highly qualified African American male and female Senators running for the nomination who failed to gain much traction among Black voters in the primaries. Joe Biden was on the verge of losing the nomination to Bernie Sanders this year before African American voters in South Carolina turned it around for him. In essence, out of a large potential field that also included a well qualified Hispanic candidate, Black voters this year in large part ensured that Joe Biden became our nominee. If I had any notable influence with Black voters I would be using it for Biden now, but frankly, I don't.

It isn't easy to go up against those who feel they can't be asked to compromise their vote yet again. As a Sanders supporter, I spent a lot of time in 2016 working to persuade Bernie or Busters that we could not allow Donald Trump into the White House, and that we could carry on our fight for a more progressive agenda AFTER he was defeated. I am prepared to take on that same battle again this year with progressive activists who feel that Joe Biden is too establishment for them, but I don't have the standing to be persuasive in your community. Hopefully it's a battle you and other brothers and sisters can take on. We can not afford to fail.

oldsoftie

(12,486 posts)
19. Only ONE thing matters; do you want 4 more years of Trump or not?
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:21 PM
May 2020

If not, then quit insisting on getting everything you want. Here's a clue; nobody ever does.

Wanderlust988

(509 posts)
20. It's disturbing that Ice Cube and Diddy think they control who I vote for
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:30 PM
May 2020

I'm a black man and will proudly cast my vote for Biden in November! I'll walk over hot coals to go vote for him.

Warpy

(111,124 posts)
22. Sounds like typical rich guy behavior to me.
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:38 PM
May 2020

They get money, they think they can fool people into following whatever they say.

Some might. Most of the POC I know do their thinking for themselves.

lame54

(35,259 posts)
23. I would like to see the Democratic party...
Sun May 24, 2020, 05:50 PM
May 2020

Do better to hold up their part of the social contract to the black community

Having said that

This vote is too important to mess with

maxrandb

(15,294 posts)
29. We progressive and Democratic voters of ALL colors better hold up
Sun May 24, 2020, 07:03 PM
May 2020

our end of the bargain for more than one election cycle.

It makes my hair hurt when I think of what could have been had President Obama had Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer as leaders of the House and Senate majority for 8 years instead of 2.

keithbvadu2

(36,640 posts)
24. Ideological purity whether it be black or white.
Sun May 24, 2020, 06:04 PM
May 2020

Ideological purity whether it be black or white.

Just like the hard core Bernie bros.

If it doesn't go all my way, I'll vote against my own better
(not best) interests.

That'll show you.

dustyscamp

(2,223 posts)
26. Add Yanggangers to that
Sun May 24, 2020, 06:24 PM
May 2020

Why cant these people get that in order to make America better we first need to get rid of the cancer that is destroying the country

BComplex

(8,017 posts)
30. Diddy and Ice Cube: "But I want you (the democratic party) to do me a favor, though."
Sun May 24, 2020, 07:28 PM
May 2020

Sounds kind of familiar, doesn't it?

Well, first of all: there was, if you remember, a black man who was president. Did he get you everything you wanted?

If so, who took it away?

If not, well, maybe it's been going on for a couple of hundred years, and it might take a couple of election cycles and non-gerrymandered districts to get moving in the right direction again.

None of us gets everything we want; men, women, black, white, brown, democrat, republican. Even the 1% don't get everything they want. (thank God)

And most of what democrats in general want is for money to go to the bottom instead of the top, which would begin to help everyone. At the lower levels, cities could hire cops with a better education, and that would be a step in the right direction; getting rid of ignorant racists, and have more $$ for training....LOTS of training.

What the democratic party, or anyone or any group CANNOT do is be held hostage. It just doesn't work out. Hell, we can't even get people to wear a mask to save our lives.

betsuni

(25,374 posts)
31. Yes, only one party is held accountable.
Sun May 24, 2020, 07:31 PM
May 2020

Also for the hostage taking "progressives" who boo loudest at Democrats: "Why didn't/don't Democrats stop ______ ?" "Democrats don't fight" false equivalency corruption, FDR and "transformative" blah blah blah.

Republicans, who controlled the House for six years during both Clinton and Obama's presidency, the Newt Gingrich and Mitch McConnells who did all they could to make government fail, are somehow invisible while Democrats live under microscopes, everything blown wildly out of proportion and twisted into absurdity. When you object, you are asked why you think Democrats are perfect and above criticism.

The ones joining the various hostage parties are more likely to be men and those from younger generations, seems to me. I try to think about the people doing the actual work of organizing and getting things done as much as they can.

It is frustrating that the only way do something about the country's many problems is to have Democrats in charge, with large majorities because it's effectively the ONLY party now. But how to get more people to vote. Even then, Democrats are blamed for that. Don't vote, teach them a lesson. I'm getting a headache thinking about this...

oasis

(49,321 posts)
35. Policy recommendations of Hakeem Jeffries, Barack Obama, Adam Schiff
Sun May 24, 2020, 08:20 PM
May 2020

Nancy Pelosi, and other leaders of "Our" Democratic Party have the most value. If Biden's 1st term performance is a disappointment. That's the time to kick up a fuss.

Right now, we should be willing to let them pick the people they'll need to get it done their way.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,131 posts)
38. As long as the Senate is run by the GOP
Mon May 25, 2020, 11:55 AM
May 2020

It will be hell to make significant progress on POC issues. I hope they remember that.

CrispyQ

(36,413 posts)
39. One older white man worked under a young black man for eight years & had his back.
Mon May 25, 2020, 02:36 PM
May 2020

The other older white man is a pile of shit in human form.

Actions speak louder than words.

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