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catbyte

(34,377 posts)
Mon May 25, 2020, 11:22 AM May 2020

Can we stop pretending Trump is fit to be president?

By Paul Waldman

May 25, 2020 at 10:08 a.m. EDT

At various times over the past three and a half years, many of us have asked what would happen if President Trump truly went over the edge or if his behavior became so frightening that his unfitness for the most powerful position on Earth could no longer be denied.

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The truth is that Trump is not much more despicable of a human being than he has always been; it’s just that standard Trumpian behavior becomes more horrifying when it occurs during an ongoing national crisis. It is reality that changed around him, and he was incapable of responding to it.

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If you gave many Republicans in Washington truth serum, they’d say, “Of course he’s unfit to be president. Of course he’s corrupt, of course he’s incompetent, of course he’s the most dishonest person ever to step into the Oval Office. But I can live with that, because him being reelected means Republicans keep power, we get more conservative judges and we get all the policies we favor.”

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In the future, when we look back on this dark period, we should resist the temptation to focus solely on Trump himself. To do so would be to excuse those who know exactly what he is but pretend they can work to keep him in office and remain unsullied. They cannot, and their moral culpability becomes clearer every day.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/05/25/can-we-stop-pretending-trump-is-fit-be-president/

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Can we stop pretending Trump is fit to be president? (Original Post) catbyte May 2020 OP
He started out unfit. Turbineguy May 2020 #1
Indeed. As Hillary said during 2016 townhalls, rallies, and debates - he's UNFIT and UNQUALIFIED. nt iluvtennis May 2020 #27
I woke up the day after the election with one thought. Warpy May 2020 #29
Hear! Hear! Laelth May 2020 #2
Of course Trump supporters/Republicans/conservatives J_William_Ryan May 2020 #3
Finally...No Excuses! Me. May 2020 #4
The media could have done that since day one. SamKnause May 2020 #5
I remember EndlessWire May 2020 #9
History will condemn the republican Polly Hennessey May 2020 #6
K&R, the M$M continues to report on him like he's not a lunatic, he is uponit7771 May 2020 #7
Many of us never did. smirkymonkey May 2020 #8
He is unfit morally, and intellectually. I still can't wrap my head around such a clown winning the Blue_true May 2020 #10
Don't forget how much help he had from voter suppression and the russians. He LOST the niyad May 2020 #15
Same here... Harker May 2020 #26
I have NEVER BlueMTexpat May 2020 #11
IMHO supporting the scumbag's policies is more repulsive than supporting the scumbag. hay rick May 2020 #12
Let's also stop moaning that he cannot be beaten. . . DinahMoeHum May 2020 #13
If the news media would get onboard and message simply the narrative could change. cayugafalls May 2020 #14
Trump is not fit to clean Obama's toilet dalton99a May 2020 #16
I've always said he is fit only to serve ... malchickiwick May 2020 #17
I never did... Wounded Bear May 2020 #18
Trump is mentally ill and unfit to serve as president SledDriver May 2020 #19
The republican coup is well underway. There is no way cat grabber leaves office in November. johnthewoodworker May 2020 #20
Don't ask me. Paladin May 2020 #21
Nobody is forcing you to continue to pretend that Trump is fit to be presdient. Kaleva May 2020 #22
The majority of the voting public didn't think he was fit to be president. n/t sarge43 May 2020 #25
You got a mouse in your pocket, Mr Waldman? Iggo May 2020 #23
Don't forget about all the "dark money" that's helping to get Trump re-elected. JmAln May 2020 #24
Everyone who voted for him should be barred from voting in any election for 50 years Orrex May 2020 #28
I don't think anyone here, other than right wing trolls, has ever thought he was fit. NNadir May 2020 #30
I would love DENVERPOPS May 2020 #31
Yes, it's Trump AND his odious enablers peggysue2 May 2020 #32
#GOPSurrender is REAL! BadGimp May 2020 #33

iluvtennis

(19,852 posts)
27. Indeed. As Hillary said during 2016 townhalls, rallies, and debates - he's UNFIT and UNQUALIFIED. nt
Mon May 25, 2020, 02:08 PM
May 2020

Warpy

(111,255 posts)
29. I woke up the day after the election with one thought.
Mon May 25, 2020, 02:12 PM
May 2020

"We might not survive this."

It was followed by "why are all the crazy guys with the guns on his side?"

Followed by "This is a young country. Most countries have already been headed by madmen and have survived them. Maybe we will get through this. We will be different, though. We will need to be."

J_William_Ryan

(1,753 posts)
3. Of course Trump supporters/Republicans/conservatives
Mon May 25, 2020, 11:41 AM
May 2020

know Trump is unfit to be president.

It’s the blind partisan right, the 11th Commandment, and the belief by Republicans that controlling the WH is their ‘birthright.’

SamKnause

(13,102 posts)
5. The media could have done that since day one.
Mon May 25, 2020, 11:48 AM
May 2020

They didn't.

They normalized the orange, anus mouth, buffoon.

They continued to do so during his impeachment.

They have pretended he was normal, until it was too late to stop him.

EndlessWire

(6,526 posts)
9. I remember
Mon May 25, 2020, 12:22 PM
May 2020

in the first days that they talked a lot about him shaping up and becoming Presidential. But, after he discovered how powerful he became with this position, he flipped out. There was no chance after that.

Polly Hennessey

(6,794 posts)
6. History will condemn the republican
Mon May 25, 2020, 11:50 AM
May 2020

party as responsible for this nightmare along with the 36 percent who are as stupid, hateful, and greedy as he is. Also, if I believed in hell I would be certain that there is a special place for Evangelicals and right-wing Catholics.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
10. He is unfit morally, and intellectually. I still can't wrap my head around such a clown winning the
Mon May 25, 2020, 12:26 PM
May 2020

presidency.

niyad

(113,293 posts)
15. Don't forget how much help he had from voter suppression and the russians. He LOST the
Mon May 25, 2020, 12:42 PM
May 2020

Popular vote by three million.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
11. I have NEVER
Mon May 25, 2020, 12:37 PM
May 2020

pretended that he was anything other than a Criminally Deranged Scumbag who should NEVER have been allowed near ANY public office.

DinahMoeHum

(21,784 posts)
13. Let's also stop moaning that he cannot be beaten. . .
Mon May 25, 2020, 12:40 PM
May 2020

James Carville gave a great pep talk the other day,
how Trump is a ". . .massive fat failure. . ."
". . .the country does not. want. him. back. . ."
". . .he's got 41 percent of the country? Forget it, that's a losing number. . ."
". . .get over this mentality about 2016. . ."

etc.


&t=1782s




#newrostrong

cayugafalls

(5,640 posts)
14. If the news media would get onboard and message simply the narrative could change.
Mon May 25, 2020, 12:41 PM
May 2020

When he lies, Call him a Liar. When he says Fake News, tell him he is a Fake President and a Liar.

Stay on message and he will fall so hard the hair helmet will crack.

Just my opinion.

 

johnthewoodworker

(694 posts)
20. The republican coup is well underway. There is no way cat grabber leaves office in November.
Mon May 25, 2020, 01:25 PM
May 2020

He will win, steal, delay, or negate the election. This is a guerrilla political war and conventional thinking will result in the unthinkable, a second term. Of course everyone should vote, contribute, etc. But if you think this group of deplorable's is going to let the DOJ fall into democratic, enemy hands, forget it. That would result in his criminal exposure. Republican's are in on this. In a normal political environment republicans would be sprinting away from this failure of a president. Hasn't happened.
So, you better be ready to grab your mask and head out to protest come November. Signing an online petition or composing an enraged tweet won't do it. I hope I'm wrong and will laugh at my paranoia in November, but things have grown increasingly bizarre and I don't see it ending.

Kaleva

(36,298 posts)
22. Nobody is forcing you to continue to pretend that Trump is fit to be presdient.
Mon May 25, 2020, 01:31 PM
May 2020

I think the great majority here believed him unfit well before the 2016 election.

JmAln

(69 posts)
24. Don't forget about all the "dark money" that's helping to get Trump re-elected.
Mon May 25, 2020, 01:45 PM
May 2020

Trump and many other politicians are bought and paid for by special interests. At this point, the average person has little influence on the policies being made that affect them. This is because of all the big money being poured into politics. This goes for Democrats as well as Republicans.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
28. Everyone who voted for him should be barred from voting in any election for 50 years
Mon May 25, 2020, 02:09 PM
May 2020

And that goes for the lurking fuckheads here from the various Konservative circle jerk cesspit forums. Go fuck yourselves, assholes!

NNadir

(33,516 posts)
30. I don't think anyone here, other than right wing trolls, has ever thought he was fit.
Mon May 25, 2020, 02:17 PM
May 2020

Clearly he isn't.

DENVERPOPS

(8,818 posts)
31. I would love
Mon May 25, 2020, 02:26 PM
May 2020

I would love for someone to publish the entire "Project New American Century" report so we can see how much of it they have accomplished since the RepubliCON power mongers and hierarchy published it in 1997.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
32. Yes, it's Trump AND his odious enablers
Mon May 25, 2020, 02:55 PM
May 2020

Those enablers include most Republicans who have supported, turned a blind eye or rallied around the ignoramus. No excuses. The Republicans are no longer the 'loyal' opposition. They are willing to defend and support a criminal while throwing away our Democratic Republic for money and power. They support a cult. They are the enemy inside the tent.

Democratic voters know this. Some Republican voters know this. Never-Trumpers have not suddenly turned into nice little Democrats. No, they simply recognize the threat that Trump and the GOP have become to the very fabric of the country. Suburban women see this. Seniors are awakening to the fact and the AA community and other POC see Donald Trump for what he's always been: a fat, over-indulged bigot. Ask the immigrant community. I'm sure we'd all get an earful.

Donald Trump represents the worst instincts running through our multicultural, racial, religious, ethnic society: Whinerism, Victimology and Flat-Out Prejudice. Roll that up with a lust for power and money and a talent for propaganda and anything is possible. Human history is rich in the crimes of authoritarian piglets.

Donald Trump is the living embodiment of America's underbelly. It's not new but the Cult is in power at the moment.

Which is why said Cult must be crushed along with its twisted members.

Never forget, never forgive.

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