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https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/25/donald-trump-rigged-election-talk-fears-274477Trump sees a rigged election ahead. Democrats see a constitutional crisis in the making.
The presidents increasingly amped-up rhetoric surrounding the integrity of the November elections has many wondering how he might respond to a defeat.
By DAVID SIDERS
05/25/2020 12:21 PM EDT
First he lit into Michigan and Nevada, threatening to withhold federal funding because of his assertion that both states were preparing to commit voter fraud through mail-in ballot applications. Then President Donald Trump followed up Sunday with two more broadly-worded warnings that November would be the greatest Rigged Election in history.
The Democrats are trying to Rig the 2020 Election, plain and simple! the president claimed.
Trumps increasingly amped-up rhetoric surrounding the integrity of the November election is beginning to bring to center stage a previously muted conversation. With the president lagging behind Joe Biden in public opinion polls six months before the general election, his opponents are becoming increasingly anxious that Trump may attempt to undermine the results of the election if he loses or worse, might attempt to cling to power regardless of the outcome.
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Theres a lot of people that need to do something to hold and implement the results of an election, said David A. Super, a professor of law at Georgetown University Law Center who has analyzed scenarios in which Trump could attempt to hold onto power. None of them is named Donald J. Trump Theres absolutely no authority for cancelling or overriding an election in the Constitution or in the statutes. And it would require the president to get multiple people to fairly blatantly disregard their oaths to uphold the Constitution.
The concerns about Trumps intentions are reminiscent to some Democrats of the anxiety they felt in the 1970s, when the net was closing around Richard Nixon and some feared he may not go easily.
The difference, said Les Francis, a former deputy White House chief of staff in the Carter administration, is that Nixon made an institutional decision to resign, while one thing we know about Trump, for sure, is hes not an institutionalist by any stretch of the imagination.
I dont think theres any depth to which he will not go, Francis said. I dont think there are any rules that he thinks apply to him. As his behavior grows worse, I think people become more alarmed at the possibilities.
Turbineguy
(37,313 posts)Nixon was a Boy Scout. Trump will do anything. He will need an guaranteed alternative in order to accept election defeat. He'll want to leave rich and not go to jail. At the very least. He will have no compunction about destroying this Country.
He has supporters who are itching to shoot people and have a civil war.
DBoon
(22,354 posts)spend the rest of his life in exile, isolated from all human contact
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
Chainfire
(17,527 posts)VladmireTrumpkins
(370 posts)What happens if he loses ..what will happen in the time between November and January ?
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)Expect all three
BComplex
(8,029 posts)of color...and people who are afraid of guns. That could start some riots at the polls.
Unless the national guard and police are at the polling places, these nazi-wannabe's are going to try to take it in their own hands to make sure the polls are "safe" from "democrats".
regnaD kciN
(26,044 posts)...but it's been theorized that, should Trump lose in November (both popular vote and electoral college), some states with Republican legislatures might simply refuse to name electors, citing unproven "vote-by-mail fraud," if Biden wins their state. This would allow them to hold Biden short of the 270 electors needed to win, and throw the election to the House.
Still, that shouldn't be an issue, since we control the House, right? Wrong! Because it doesn't work according to a simple vote of House members. Instead, each state gets one vote, determined by a total poll of that state's House delegation, with whoever gets twenty-six or more votes becoming president. So deep-red Wyoming (one Republican congresscritter) gets the exact same vote as deep-blue California (fifty-three, almost overwhelmingly Democratic). Alaska gets the same vote as New York, and so on.
So, depending on how the November House elections go, it's quite conceivable that Trump could lose by a landslide in the popular vote, by a considerable margin in the electoral college, and still get four more years.
And it would all be perfectly Constitutional.
NCDem47
(2,248 posts)Gave me chills. I have no doubt that the worst of the worst Republican legislatures will pull this. And if were thinking of this, you know the Rs have gamed this out and have this ready to go in their playbook.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)I think they can, and if the Republican states dont vote, its their loss.
-Laelth
Takket
(21,553 posts)states have dates when elections are supposed to be certified. this is what was such a huge deal in bush v gore..... Florida had a deadline to certify the results and SCOTUS basically said "whelp, you can't recount the votes and fuck what the voters want, the deadline is all the matters, not who people actually vote for. so, bush wins".
so the DNC will nominate their electors and i don't really know that there is any mechanism for the secretary of states to NOT certify the election results, unless they want to be arrested.
Celerity
(43,298 posts)beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)All ridiculous.
SWBTATTReg
(22,100 posts)wolf again and again. Nonsense.
Sogo
(4,986 posts)It's the MO of the Rs and bullies like Trump to point at someone else and accuse them of what they themselves are doing....
DFW
(54,338 posts)After seeing the result of the 2016 election, I can't say I think he was wrong.................
Grins
(7,205 posts)One man Constitutional crisis also works.
There has never been a president with this number of personal cases before the court, cases that could destroy the nations foundations if he wins. And with this court - he damn will may.
And he couldnt have done it without his willing accomplices/traitors in Congress and at the head of the Justice Deot.
Blue Owl
(50,347 posts)Thinks the election is rigged? Oh that's Rich, little Donny... That's rich...
struggle4progress
(118,273 posts)moondust
(19,972 posts)Now he just has to find a fall guy willing to do some actual "rigging" someplace so L'il Duce can cry "Told ya!!!!" and cancel the election or something. Pardons for everybody!!!!
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)That should be included in any AD takedown of this BS in the future?
pink
(497 posts)Then Trump placed a Republican donor in charge of the post office. Trump is already fanning the flames by saying that postal voting can be corrupt.
I observed the Nixon presidency and thought that we have seen the extent of corruption that could happen.
Then I observed George W. how he wanted to invade Iraq at any cost. I thought he had carried out corruption to the extent that it was possible.
He has set up all the courts with Republican sympathizers
He has trampled on all protocols
He lies and bullies. I could go on but there are too many things to mention.
All I can say is beware of the orange orangutan.