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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWATCH: Woman screams at Hispanic family for playing 'Mexican' music in the park
May 25, 2020
By Brad Reed
A white woman this week was caught on camera screaming at a Hispanic family in a park because they were not playing American music.
In the video, the woman can be seen confronting the family and chiding them for playing what she described as Mexican music during their outing in the park.
One of the men in the park objected to her tirade and informed her that were not Mexican.
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Then play American music! she screamed back at them, as a man who had come to the park with her tried to pull her away. Play American music!
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https://www.rawstory.com/2020/05/watch-woman-screams-at-hispanic-family-for-playing-mexican-music-in-the-park/
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I don't approve of the "Karen" either, but this despicable, entitled behavior has to be outed.
greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)Oooof.
elevator
(415 posts)She meant white folks music.
Ms. Toad
(34,062 posts)Gonna have quite a hangover after this bender. May not remember what she said . . . but all alcohol does is is remove the filter, not create the ideas.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)turn her into a household name.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I love seeing some of the bigots finally paying for their hatred.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)"Karen" would probably try to chase them off, too.
area51
(11,906 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,080 posts)And I feel good when I hear it. They're happy and I'm happy. It's how they celebrate life.
(In 2010, the racial makeup of the borough was 51.07% (2,995) White, 19.86% (1,165) Black or African American, 1.50% (88) Native American, 3.21% (188) Asian, 0.10% (6) Pacific Islander, 18.21% (1,068) from other races, and 6.05% (355) from two or more races. Hispanic or Latino of any race were 52.09% (3,055) of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prospect_Park,_New_Jersey)
tanyev
(42,550 posts)Or maybe she means American music like Celine Dion, Shania Twain, Justin Bieber, Coldplay, Lewis Capaldi, Ed Sheeran. Idjit.
panader0
(25,816 posts)All of our musical genres have cultural origins. Perhaps jazz is American, but it borrows too.
maxsolomon
(33,310 posts)MissMillie
(38,549 posts)turn on some Rolling Stones and Neil Young.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Celerity
(43,317 posts)Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Celerity
(43,317 posts)42bambi
(1,753 posts)all this hatred. In a way, I'm glad these horrid people are being exposed by FB and Twitter ... they have always been amongst us, the difference now - we have social media! These dark hateful creatures are coming out into the light of day.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Only difference is, when they scatter, the rest of the people on Twitter are there waiting to turn more lights and cameras on. I'm sick of bigots. Let them pay for their bigotry, finally. I wish all bigots could be exposed. I hated the pre-internet days, when no bigots ever got caught and were able to just do anything they wanted to minorities. I love the internet, for exposing who the real assholes are.
42bambi
(1,753 posts)they are all over the internet for the world to see.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I am absolutely loving seeing them pay for some of their bigotry now. For every one that ends up online, there are tons of others getting away with it still, but maybe that will finally change. I hope it does and bigots have to learn to act like decent people, even if they are not. Let them pay for their horrible actions and maybe they will learn how to at least act right.
42bambi
(1,753 posts)the goodness we have here, where we all respect each other and enjoy our differences, black, brown, white ... we are all the same. We have the same hopes and dreams for our country - so many of these ignorant and hateful people have no idea what they are missing! They want to live in their sorry, poor me bubble.
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)I only half joke that I want a "foreign exchange" program since my experience in this situation and others in the past too.
I knew when I heard their kids playing once they moved in, that I finally had neighbors I would love living next to. They make normal neighbor sounds instead of the right wing gunshot/bigoted slur horrors that used to come from my old crappy neighbor. The old crappy neighbor before them kept junk cars in the yard, blamed me when he had problems with his sewage pipe, because the county ran his sewage pipe through my yard and he had to repair it, and he constantly did everything he could to be a noisy, obnoxious right wing asshole. Every other words out of his mouth was more bigoted slurs. I could not stand him. When he got it in his head that he didn't have to pay taxes on his property any more, the county took it from him. Good riddance. That's less gunshots and bigoted slurs every day from him and less of his other nasty habits and annoying noises he made.
This really nice Mexican family moved in. I have had 99 percent positive interactions with them. The majority of my interactions with them have been good, unlike Mr. Shitpipe before them and most of my other extremely right wing neighbors. The only 1 problem I had was a communication problem. They tried to keep their chickens out of my yard while they were building their little area in their yard. I told them I didn't mind the chickens in my yard at all and not to worry, but I don't think they knew what I was trying to say. I tried to take Spanish at the college I attended but they canceled the class because I was the only one who signed up. I wish I could learn it still. I wish they had understood me instead of worrying about it when their chickens came into my yard. I liked having less ticks in the yard, plus the chickens were so sweet doing all their cooing and stuff. I fell in love with chickens once I met up with their chickens. Now, I want one as a pet.
I have only half joked ever since then that I would like to trade some more crappy right wing neighbors for some more Mexican neighbors. They are just a family who moved into the neighborhood, not any of the Trump parroted crap that the right wing neighbors have tried to claim. They are the best neighbors here yet, for me. The other neighbors are jerks. The Mexican family are possibly the only normal sounding and decent acting neighbors here. The others I have met here make me wish there was a foreign exchange program. Send more families like this one and take more crappy right wing neighbors please.
I wish it could be more diverse where I live instead of so segregated. In the few cases where integration tries to happen, there are too many pro-Trump types just waiting to parrot Trump nastiness. It is bigotry and just not necessary. They get on my nerves with their false claims before even getting to know the new neighbors.
42bambi
(1,753 posts)with your neighbors chickens. Our family had chickens; when I was a little girl I would go out in the hen house and carefully take the eggs out of their nests. Nice memories. As far as your neighbors that don't speak english very well ... I believe they know that you are friendly and kind, that's what I sense while reading your posts.
Luz
(772 posts)here for the same reason. It doesn't matter what color your skin is or how much money you make. It doesn't matter where you live or what kind of car you drive.
Family and friends are number one to a successful, happy life.
42bambi
(1,753 posts)you are so right, family and friends are number one, not money, not fame, just treating everyone the way we want to be treated.
You mentioned, "not what kind of car you drive" - that reminded me of my Grandfather, he drove an older car and I knew he had money so one day I asked him why he drove an old car, all he had to say was -- because I can. In other words he did not have a need to put on airs; and old saying I love! BTW - your flag looks like an Irish flag ... my family on my Mother's side was from Ireland. Nice!
robbob
(3,527 posts)A true melting pot of Caribbean and South American rhythms and USA jazz harmonies Salsa, although popular throughout Latin America actually was developed in New York City.
lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)Dumbass.
MaryMagdaline
(6,853 posts)He knows she is a Karen. Shes confused and not getting it.
rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)MaryMagdaline
(6,853 posts)madaboutharry
(40,208 posts)I have known some perfectly decent women named Karen. And imo, its use in this manner is sexist.
Horrible and despicable behavior can be called out without insulting women in general.
Not that this is an excuse, but she looked drunk.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,848 posts)But most Karens are probably quite nice people. So stop it everyone.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)Shortcut - says it all in one name. Just being named Karen doesnt t make you A Karen. Don t forget the Beckys, Susans and Chads.
Celerity
(43,317 posts)https://www.vox.com/2020/2/5/21079162/karen-name-insult-meme-manager
If your name is Karen, Becky, or Chad, you may have noticed a growing trend of people using your name as an insult. Increasingly, Karen in particular has emerged as the frontrunner for the average basic white person name a pejorative catchall label for a wide range of behaviors thought to have connections to white privilege. And the recently trending Twitter hashtag #AndThenKarenSnapped has further shifted the Karen meme from its nebulous origins toward becoming a mainstream trope. Where a similar insult like OK Boomer stereotypes a specific generation, calling someone a Karen draws on associations people have built around extremely common names. But the stereotype the name conjures at least in the US is limited mainly to white women in their mid-30s or 40s. The archetypal Karen is blonde, has multiple young kids, and is usually an anti-vaxxer. Karen has a can I speak to the manager haircut and a controlling, superior attitude to go along with it:
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How exactly did Karen become the manager-summoning meme of choice? And is any of this justified? To find out, we talked to a lot of interested parties, including some Karens, the creator of a Karen meme forum, and some naming experts. Heres everything we learned about whats in a name.
The Karen meme has multiple origins, each one using the idea in slightly different ways. But one of the most prominent uses developed on Reddit, thanks to a redditor known for posting amusingly bitter invectives about his ex-wife posts so amusing, they inspired a high school student to make an entire subreddit, r/FuckYouKaren, devoted to turning his saga into a meme. Karmacop97 is a 17-year-old from Irvine, California. He made the subreddit two years ago as a joke and named it after the now-deleted user account Fuck_You_Karen. At first, karmacop97 told me, the subreddit was just to compile the lore behind this guys relationship, which he viewed as likely being a parody. The villainous Karen had taken the kids and then the house, both typical parts of the Karen meme. Soon, a few thousand redditors had subscribed to make memes based on the redditors enraged posts but when that aggrieved user eventually deleted his account and vanished shortly after the subreddits creation, the forum kept growing. Since then, the subreddit has grown from 4,000 redditors to more than 435,000 and the memes posted there call out all kinds of Karen-ish behavior. In particular, the Karen has evolved into a figure known for her hypocrisy, rudeness toward working-class staff, and anti-science beliefs.
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Especially trenchant is the idea as you can get from this satirical Instagram bio of a spiritual Karen that a stereotypical Karen plays fast and loose with pseudoscience, appropriates identities, may be conservative, and is extremely picky.
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Karen (slang)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karen_(slang)
Origins and history
The origins of Karen as an Internet meme date back to an anonymous Reddit user, Fuck_You_Karen, who posted rants denigrating his ex-wife Karen, whom he alleged had "taken" both his children and, later, his house during divorce proceedings. The unintentional entertainment value provided by the posts led to the creation of a subreddit in 2017, r/FuckYouKaren, to both compile a narrative and share memes about the posts. Since Fuck_You_Karen deleted his account, the subreddit has since refocused to memes about the stereotype in general rather than one specific woman. The name Karen has several negative connotations that predate the Internet meme. The most notable uses of Karen as a name for such unpopular characters in popular culture include Lorraine Bracco's depiction of Karen Friedman Hill in the 1990 film Goodfellas and Amanda Seyfried's ditzy schoolgirl character in the 2004 film Mean Girls. Other uses of Karen as the punchline of a joke include Dane Cook's 2005 sketch about "the friend nobody likes", and a 2016 Internet meme regarding an officially unnamed woman in an advert for the Nintendo Switch console who exhibits antisocial behavior.
Usage and examples
The Karen archetype carries several stereotypes that are common to "basic white women"; the most notable is the stereotype that a Karen will demand to "speak with the manager" of a hypothetical service provider. Further common stereotypes associated with the Karen pejorative include anti-vaccination beliefs, racism against black people, use of Facebook and a bob haircut with blonde highlightspictures of Kate Gosselin during the airing of Kate Plus 8 were used in earlier memes about a "can-I-speak-to-your-manager haircut", and continue to be used in Karen memesengagement in multi-level marketing schemes, and Facebook posts sharing trite motivational messages. The stereotype saw greater prominence in mid-2019, when the formation of Tropical Storm Karen in the Atlantic hurricane basin led to memes likening the storm to the stereotype; several users made jokes about the storm wanting to "speak with the manager", with images photoshopped to include the "Karen haircut" on either the hurricane or its forecasted path. At the same time, the term gained prominence in Hispanic and African-American communities as a way to describe suburban white women who would supposedly call the police on people of color for minor trespasses, similar to the prior use of "Becky" in the same communities to describe the same archetype.
The term also saw heightened scrutiny in April 2020, with considerable debate over whether the term constitutes a slur: a Twitter account named "Friends of Journalism" (suspected to be to be a false flag operation by white supremacists) asserted the term to be "an equivalent of the n-word for white women" and polled Twitter users on whether they would like to see it banned; 96% of respondents answered in the negative. At the same time, journalist and radical feminist Julie Bindel asked on her Twitter feed, "Does anyone else think the 'Karen' slur is woman-hating and based on class prejudice?" Bindel's comments provoked a wide-ranging debate; a columnist for The Guardian, Hadley Freeman, replied to Bindel saying that it was "sexist, ageist, and classist, in that order". Freeman's own comments received criticism from people of color who believed Bindel and Freeman were denigrating their use of the term to discuss racism and several misogynistic trolling comments. Other critics of Bindel's statements asserted that "claiming Karen is a slur is a very Karen thing to do" and likened it to Bindel's opposition to the term TERF.
The meme was also used during the COVID-19 pandemic to describe such women who would passively-aggressively enforce quarantine, as well as those abusing Asian-American health workers due to the virus's origins in China. The meme also manifested in different ways during different stages in the pandemic: prior to the announcement of local epidemics, Karen was used to also describe those hoarding essential supplies such as toilet paper; as quarantine restrictions continued throughout April and May 2020, the term saw use to describe those same people who protested the continuance of the restrictions because they prevented them visiting hair salons. Another belief of a "Karen" includes the myth that 5g caused the virus, which led to some people burning 5g towers down in the UK. Notable posts on Reddit mocking or criticising the stereotype included a meme in which a Karen pitted "stuff I read on Facebook" with a doctor's scientific expertise, a protestor in Nashville with a placard reading "Sacrifice the Weak, Reopen TN", and, in one case, mocking a woman called Karen who doubted the pandemic's danger and later died. The term grew in popularity when a video was released online depicting a woman walking her dog in a birding section of Central Park without a leash, which is against regulations. She threatened to call the police on the person who filmed the video, a black man. When he continued to record, she threatened to tell police he was threatening her life, and she dragged her dog by the collar. The video received widespread condemnation and led to the woman, identified as Amy Cooper, to be nicknamed the "Central Park Karen".
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)The name Karen has several negative connotations that predate the Internet meme. The most notable uses of Karen as a name for such unpopular characters in popular culture include Lorraine Bracco's depiction of Karen Friedman Hill in the 1990 film Goodfellas and Amanda Seyfried's ditzy schoolgirl character in the 2004 film Mean Girls. Other uses of Karen as the punchline of a joke include Dane Cook's 2005 sketch about "the friend nobody likes", and a 2016 Internet meme regarding an officially unnamed woman in an advert for the Nintendo Switch console who exhibits antisocial behavior.
Usage and examples
The Karen archetype carries several stereotypes that are common to "basic white women"; the most notable is the stereotype that a Karen will demand to "speak with the manager" of a hypothetical service provider. Further common stereotypes associated with the Karen pejorative include anti-vaccination beliefs, racism against black people, use of Facebook and a bob haircut with blonde highlightspictures of Kate Gosselin during the airing of Kate Plus 8 were used in earlier memes about a "can-I-speak-to-your-manager haircut", and continue to be used in Karen memesengagement in multi-level marketing schemes, and Facebook posts sharing trite motivational messages.
The stereotype saw greater prominence in mid-2019, when the formation of Tropical Storm Karen in the Atlantic hurricane basin led to memes likening the storm to the stereotype; several users made jokes about the storm wanting to "speak with the manager", with images photoshopped to include the "Karen haircut" on either the hurricane or its forecasted path. At the same time, the term gained prominence in Hispanic and African-American communities as a way to describe suburban white women who would supposedly call the police on people of color for minor trespasses, similar to the prior use of "Becky" in the same communities to describe the same archetype.
All the Karens I know, including my niece, are perfectly nice, non-Karen people. The meme will die out eventually.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Calculating
(2,955 posts)Similar to Chad, Stacey, Becky, etc.
Iggo
(47,549 posts)Just let it run its course.
Goodheart
(5,321 posts)(My Spanish is poor, but you get the drift.)
Goodheart
(5,321 posts)I can sympathize with people who are blasted with other people's music in public places. Has nothing to do with the brand of music, but some of it is just crap and irritating, no matter the origin.
There's nothing wrong with being considerate of others.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)Because there is no way to regulate this, what volume is acceptable? What genre is acceptable?
In a public space that's there for everyone, music should be limited or disallowed.
littlemissmartypants
(22,632 posts)The thing to do would have been to call the non emergency law enforcement number not to throw a public fit to make her point. I makes me think she was more interested in being a bigot than concerned about the music anyway.
Alex4Martinez
(2,193 posts)But the notion that " If you want absolute silence head for the woods or stay home." sounds just like the no-mask people.
"If you want to be safe just stay at home, let me have my no-mask freedom in public"
No, noise is like smoke or strong smells or acidic air: It impacts one or more our senses, totally unnecessarily, and could be done at home.
I am rarely upset with music in parks, be it a wedding or a party, provided the volume isn't bad.
But quiet is better, IMO.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)If it can be heard 6 feet from the source you need a permit. If not you can be ticketed and asked to leave the park.
They did finally arrest whoever it was that used to drive all over with one those base blasters in his car that vibrated all the sternums within half a mile. He had 6 months worth of tickets he didn't pay so a warrant was issued.
Goodheart
(5,321 posts)My god, I don't want to hear Boosie Badazz's vulgar garbage while I'm in the park.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)I could be ticketed for loud walking. The way my knees crackle ... They are selective in enforcement. It has to be pretty bad before they start writing tickets.
MissMillie
(38,549 posts)I think people should listen to whatever they like, but should not assume that they have the right to make me listen to it too.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Once she began pretending oppression that 'American' music was't being played, she revealed her hand. Her complaint had little to do with volume, and everything to do with the lack of wypipo music.
JI7
(89,247 posts)was . She complained about the type of music and it was based on her bigotry .
roamer65
(36,745 posts)The stupid is strong in this one.
Bettie
(16,089 posts)and ignore whatever makes them 'not happy'?
This is what Trump has done: taken the mask off of these people, made them proud to show who they really are, at their core.
It is annoying and disheartening, but better to know who they are than not.
I hope that this woman finds people who used to spend time with her distancing themselves, not because of the virus, but because of who and what she's shown herself to be.
brush
(53,764 posts)MissMillie
(38,549 posts)...I worry more about the people who keep their true colors hidden.
When you see someone in a white sheet (or a MAGA hat), you know what you're dealing with.
lame54
(35,284 posts)yonder
(9,663 posts)a kennedy
(29,647 posts)years ago now, and this place where we would camp was a small private campground, only about 25 sites. One time when camping there, three families at three of the sites were playing kind of a Spanish, Mexican cross section of music that my husband and I just loved. It was so different then what we always heard camping before, we loved it. Only heard it that one time, we always hoped they return and bring that fantastic music with them. We never heard it again.
ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)This must have happened after the 13th beer.
Luciferous
(6,078 posts)worried about what other people are doing? This lady needs to get a hobby that doesn't involve getting drunk and harassing people...
Initech
(100,063 posts)Play your own damn music. If you don't like it, change the channel. Don't be a racist.
struggle4progress
(118,278 posts)raccoon
(31,110 posts)Why that man stays with her, Id like to know.
NYC Liberal
(20,135 posts)Demovictory9
(32,449 posts)vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)The hell did this rise come from?
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)Iggo
(47,549 posts)Go ahead.
Imagine it.
Doreen
(11,686 posts)Would she had had the same tizzy fit over my listening to German music?
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)😂But who has a problem with son jarocho or mariachi? If you dont know jarocho, its a delightful genre from the Gulf coast of Mexico.