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rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
Tue May 26, 2020, 05:54 PM May 2020

Florida woman (for a change). I went to the local pool today to use my reserved lane and time.

Last edited Tue May 26, 2020, 10:39 PM - Edit history (1)

I was standing in line, wearing a mask, the last of eight people waiting patiently for our turn to sign in and pay after answering health questions and having our temperatures taken, when a woman came up walking her dog. From about six feet away she started taunting us, saying we were "sheep" and "scared." Then she started rattling off possibly accurate, possibly bogus, statistics about deaths and the world's population in prior pandemics, concluding "this one is a third of a million deaths," as though it wasn't worth being concerned about. She began ranting about Memorial Day. She started pointing at people saying "You've lived long enough" "You've lived long enough" and talking about children. The guy in front of me said "You're an asshole, go away." She rushed around behind me and got too close to the guy in front of me (no mask of course) and said something about "believing the shit" we were hearing. Then she said "I said the 'S' word, I can do that because I have liberty." I said, "I'm about to say the 'F' word if you don't get out of here, you crazy bleep." She started screaming into my face. One more step and I'd have knocked her on her ass. She decided to go up and down the line screaming into people's faces. I got out my cell and called 911. When they answered, I said "I want to report a crazy person at the ****** swimming pool." He asked for the address, but I only knew the street. I held up my phone so the dispatcher could hear the screaming. Someone decided to crowd the lobby by letting all of us in and locking the door. I asked the woman with the keys what the address was, but the crazy lady was screaming so loud at the entrance I couldn't hear it. I handed her the phone, then I immediately said, "Oh, I shouldn't have done that." She didn't seem to care, gave the cop the address and went outside to confront the screaming old bat. A couple of minutes later a Sheriff's SUV came right across the lawn. By that time the nutcase and her dog had moved quite a distance from the entrance. Then another squad arrived. I eventually got my phone back all wiped down. After a few minutes the cops cuffed the woman and put her in one of the vehicles. Some woman who apparently knew her took the poor dog.

I swam some laps. When I was done I was told the cops wanted me to stay around to give a statement. I asked if I had time for a shower and was told I did. When I was dressed the woman in charge said the officers "had what they needed" and were "taking her in." Because they did not want a statement from me I concluded my initial impression was correct and they were taking her to a mental health facility, although the pool lady said she couldn't comment. I have to say I am a bit disappointed she missed out on a body cavity search at the jail, but agree with the decision the officers made to treat her as a nut, not a criminal. I suspect she has a long mental health history that showed up in their records.

I will feel a lot better about this two weeks from now than I do this evening. I intend to call the Sheriff tomorrow and request I be notified if that woman tests COVID-19 positive. I will remind them the pool has a sign in sheet should she be positive.

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Florida woman (for a change). I went to the local pool today to use my reserved lane and time. (Original Post) rzemanfl May 2020 OP
Crazy times. Its going to get worse. marble falls May 2020 #1
There are some batty irresponsibles everywhere. peacebuzzard May 2020 #2
Our washer is backing up.... usedtobedemgurl May 2020 #36
I think its a good idea to offer peacebuzzard May 2020 #45
It's time to assume 33% of the electorate is as mentally deranged as Dear Leader. ariadne0614 May 2020 #3
Whoa, sounds like she needs a psych evaluation. greatauntoftriplets May 2020 #4
That's why I said, "I want to report a crazy woman" GAT. rzemanfl May 2020 #5
If she keeps ranting and raving like that at the authorities greatauntoftriplets May 2020 #6
In Florida they can do that from the get go, it's called the Baker Act. rzemanfl May 2020 #7
That's perfect! greatauntoftriplets May 2020 #11
I've read every one by both. rzemanfl May 2020 #16
Both are so funny, they'd be fun to drink with. greatauntoftriplets May 2020 #25
A bit dated, but I recommend his Florida stories highly. n/t rzemanfl May 2020 #27
Thanks, I'll look into them. greatauntoftriplets May 2020 #29
Guess what? He took 13 years off and then started rzemanfl May 2020 #31
Just checked him out on Amazon. He's quite prolific, isn't he? greatauntoftriplets May 2020 #34
... Celerity May 2020 #33
If I was 45 years younger Celerity.... rzemanfl May 2020 #40
"agree with decision the officers made to treat her as a nut, not a criminal." I'm not sure about Evolve Dammit May 2020 #8
True, but I pegged her as crazy pretty quickly. She was also endangering herself. rzemanfl May 2020 #12
I admire your restraint. There are many of these types out there. See it almost every day. Evolve Dammit May 2020 #38
Hell, I can remember when it was believed a divorced man could never be rzemanfl May 2020 #39
You have every right to defend yourself and it's hard to differentiate between who needs treatment, Evolve Dammit May 2020 #43
She could be both, but the drive-by holier than thou types don't care. n/t rzemanfl May 2020 #44
Death wish. warmfeet May 2020 #9
K & R malaise May 2020 #10
Oooo, yuck! Your actions were impeccable. One of my flaws is my temper. Karadeniz May 2020 #13
Thank you. I'm half Bohemian and have one hell of a temper myself. n/t rzemanfl May 2020 #14
Just speculating.... albacore May 2020 #15
I am going to get pepper spray for both myself (72) and my wife (70 yesterday). n/t rzemanfl May 2020 #17
Happy belated birthday to your wife! A HERETIC I AM May 2020 #19
Thank you. n/t rzemanfl May 2020 #32
Wow. That was quite an experience Joinfortmill May 2020 #18
"I am a bit disappointed she missed out on a body cavity search at the jail," kag May 2020 #20
Chances are far better she'll be relieved of purse and shoes and be popped into a cell Warpy May 2020 #21
I know the difference between crazy and drunk. She is crazy. n/t rzemanfl May 2020 #24
A lot of my family is crazy. A lot of them are drunks Warpy May 2020 #35
5150 First Dates TeamPooka May 2020 #22
Sorry, huh? n/t rzemanfl May 2020 #28
Never mind, I get it now, its California's version of Florida's Baker Act. rzemanfl May 2020 #30
I really, really hope she got the help she needs and compassion she deserves. WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #23
The woman got right in my rzemanfl May 2020 #26
Should have filmed her on your phone. Tipperary May 2020 #37
My phone was $7.99 at Walgreen's. It was an embarassment to rzemanfl May 2020 #41
Ha! Tipperary May 2020 #42

peacebuzzard

(5,170 posts)
2. There are some batty irresponsibles everywhere.
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:07 PM
May 2020

Poor dog. I am sorry you encountered so much drama to go swim some laps.

The ones I don't understand are the seemingly normal ones who don't wear a mask. The other day one of my co-workers said I had too much fear, (I took an extended leave from a very busy workplace).

Another one was a handyman who came to work around my house and I asked him if wore a mask or bandana, he said he didn't need to. I wouldn't get anywhere near him except to give him a check. I also suspended the rest of the work I had discussed. I don't need it now.


usedtobedemgurl

(1,137 posts)
36. Our washer is backing up....
Wed May 27, 2020, 08:14 AM
May 2020

I texted a handy guy, asking if he wore masks and gloves. He said they did not have masks but gave gloves. I asked if I provided a mask, would he wear it. He said he would. He will be doing our work because of that. I am lucky enough to have extra masks, because my boyfriend was going to go back to work. Now he is staying at home! Not sure if you have extras of both, but offering could be a solution.

peacebuzzard

(5,170 posts)
45. I think its a good idea to offer
Wed May 27, 2020, 03:59 PM
May 2020

Masks. But really it was nonessential work, something I have put off a long time anyway.
I do have essential work I need soon, and will make it part of the job agreement,
Especially because it will be inside the house.

ariadne0614

(1,727 posts)
3. It's time to assume 33% of the electorate is as mentally deranged as Dear Leader.
Tue May 26, 2020, 06:44 PM
May 2020

I will use your experience to game out a response to the inevitable encounter with one of them. Thank you for sharing.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,733 posts)
6. If she keeps ranting and raving like that at the authorities
Tue May 26, 2020, 07:39 PM
May 2020

She'll probably get them. The fact that the cops took her in makes it likely that she'll get one.

rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
7. In Florida they can do that from the get go, it's called the Baker Act.
Tue May 26, 2020, 07:48 PM
May 2020

The fact they didn't want a statement from me made it clear they were treating her as a wacko.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,733 posts)
11. That's perfect!
Tue May 26, 2020, 07:59 PM
May 2020

Is that because of all the wackos in Florida? Sorry, I've read too many Tim Dorsey and Carl Hiaasen books.

rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
16. I've read every one by both.
Tue May 26, 2020, 08:32 PM
May 2020

Before I moved here I thought Hiaasen was far fetched. Wrong. There are some great Florida books by Laurence Shames, but they are from quite a while back.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,733 posts)
25. Both are so funny, they'd be fun to drink with.
Tue May 26, 2020, 09:31 PM
May 2020

I'll have to look up Laurence Shames, haven't heard of him before.

rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
31. Guess what? He took 13 years off and then started
Tue May 26, 2020, 10:29 PM
May 2020

writing about Key West again in 2013. Best read in order though. Someone below doesn't approve of me. Tough.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,733 posts)
34. Just checked him out on Amazon. He's quite prolific, isn't he?
Tue May 26, 2020, 11:12 PM
May 2020

Been a while since I've been to Key West, so I'll have to start reading his books. Eventually, after I finish the ones I have to read first.

Agree about tough.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
8. "agree with decision the officers made to treat her as a nut, not a criminal." I'm not sure about
Tue May 26, 2020, 07:54 PM
May 2020

that. She was endangering you and your fellow swimmers by ranting in your face. I'm glad she was arrested, but it is a type of criminal threatening.

rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
12. True, but I pegged her as crazy pretty quickly. She was also endangering herself.
Tue May 26, 2020, 08:04 PM
May 2020

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This is a stand your ground state. I would not have given knocking her on her ass a second thought, although I was worried she might land on the dog. "You've lived long enough" was enough of a threat for me to use non-lethal force IMHO. What if she had a knife or a gun? Plus there were seven witnesses to the whole thing.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
38. I admire your restraint. There are many of these types out there. See it almost every day.
Wed May 27, 2020, 09:38 AM
May 2020

It's interesting that growing up, these incidents were practically unheard of. Most people basically behaved, even if they had warped belief systems. Poor self-control usually came with a high price, in terms of social shaming, shunning, job loss, etc. Perhaps it meant more then, to actually be checked by your own self-regulation for the sake of your reputation, job, family?

rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
39. Hell, I can remember when it was believed a divorced man could never be
Wed May 27, 2020, 10:25 AM
May 2020

elected President. Times have changed. Now we have a third wife as first nude.

Back then crazy people got locked up and weren't out on the streets. I am not saying that was a good thing, it was just the way it was.

BTW down thread there is a person who thinks I'm a heartless prick.

Evolve Dammit

(16,725 posts)
43. You have every right to defend yourself and it's hard to differentiate between who needs treatment,
Wed May 27, 2020, 01:56 PM
May 2020

and who might kill you. Could be a toss-up and it's better to err on the side of caution.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
9. Death wish.
Tue May 26, 2020, 07:56 PM
May 2020

They don't care. You take care of yourself. These assholes don't care if they live or die. They don't care if you live or die. Fuck'em.

Comes down to me or them, I pick them. They will die.

albacore

(2,398 posts)
15. Just speculating....
Tue May 26, 2020, 08:31 PM
May 2020

If I am in a vulnerable age and comorbidity group, and a person comes at me like that, would I be justified in using some tool of some kind to keep her away? A stick maybe?

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
19. Happy belated birthday to your wife!
Tue May 26, 2020, 08:50 PM
May 2020

And a wave from JAX


Also a wish for you and yours to stay safe and healthy.

kag

(4,079 posts)
20. "I am a bit disappointed she missed out on a body cavity search at the jail,"
Tue May 26, 2020, 09:04 PM
May 2020

My favorite line from your story

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
21. Chances are far better she'll be relieved of purse and shoes and be popped into a cell
Tue May 26, 2020, 09:07 PM
May 2020

to sleep whatever it is off. This sounds more like public intoxication than mental health.

She'll be back. If it's booze, she won't remember the last time. People like this are often frequent flyers, which is why your statement wasn't needed.

Warpy

(111,254 posts)
35. A lot of my family is crazy. A lot of them are drunks
Tue May 26, 2020, 11:29 PM
May 2020

and a few very special ones are self medicating drunken crazies.

Sometimes it's a really close call.

I'll take your word for it.

rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
30. Never mind, I get it now, its California's version of Florida's Baker Act.
Tue May 26, 2020, 09:52 PM
May 2020

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What's done with crazies. Am I right?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,329 posts)
23. I really, really hope she got the help she needs and compassion she deserves.
Tue May 26, 2020, 09:10 PM
May 2020

I encourage you to consider how you talk about someone you think has a mental illness and what role the police should take in someone having a mental health crisis -- you're disappointed she "missed out on a body cavity search"? Christ.

rzemanfl

(29,557 posts)
26. The woman got right in my
Tue May 26, 2020, 09:33 PM
May 2020
FUCKING FACE WITHOUT A MASK! Sorry if I have a lack of compassion. I am wondering if I should get a room somewhere for the next two weeks for the sake of my 70 year-old wife. This is what happens when mentally ill people are fed Trumpist, Faux News, and QAnon crap. They have no filter.

If something like this happens to you, I hope you show lots of sympathy. I'm sorry I don't meet your standards. I have done every goddamn thing I could to avoid the virus and this nutcase gets right in my face and screams right wing bullshit at me. I'm no saint and I admit it. It is no fun having a person tell you you've "lived long enough." Think about that. Would you like it?

Sorry I am not tolerant enough for you. You're welcome to put me on ignore.

 

Tipperary

(6,930 posts)
42. Ha!
Wed May 27, 2020, 11:42 AM
May 2020

Hey, you did the right thing. With my luck, the video would have come out with my thumb over it or that crooked sideways view it sometimes gets

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