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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt was murder.
I hesitate to say much about it because I do not trust what I might say?
But, my first question was: Is this the most common form of restraint? How could anyone hold their knee on someone's neck and not know that he has stopped breathing?
Local policemen are not above the law.
He should be put into "protective custody" and locked away until there is a verdict, in my humble opinion.
safeinOhio
(33,835 posts)There's just us.
gopiscrap
(24,118 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)kentuck
(112,491 posts)But he needs to be locked away until there can be a jury of his peers, in my opinion.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)ret5hd
(21,269 posts)Is seven minutes prior long enough?
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)rage building up while restraining him doesn't count so much.
Now, actually out looking for a black guy to do in could be be argued as murder. As could some maniac serial killer.
But it's for lawyers to deal with the semantics of the charges-- the real point is whatever it takes to put this guy away.
ret5hd
(21,269 posts)when one hand is in your pocket and a long lasting smirk on your face.
I would probably call that self satisfaction with complete awareness...and I know thats not a legal phrase.
dalton99a
(83,700 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)spike jones
(1,754 posts)These are the last words of George Floyd, a 46-year-old man who died as a US police officer pinned him down, kneeling on his neck for seven minutes, until he suffocated:
"It's my face man
I didn't do nothing serious man
please
please
please I can't breathe
please man
please somebody
please man
I can't breathe
I can't breathe
please
(inaudible)
man can't breathe, my face
just get up
I can't breathe
please (inaudible)
I can't breathe sh*t
I will
I can't move
mama
mama
I can't
my knee
my nuts
I'm through
I'm through
I'm claustrophobic
my stomach hurt
my neck hurts
everything hurts
some water or something
please
please
I can't breathe officer
don't kill me
they gon' kill me man
come on man
I cannot breathe
I cannot breathe
they gon' kill me
they gon' kill me
I can't breathe
I can't breathe
please sir
please
please
please I can't breathe"
Then his eyes shut and the pleas stop. George Floyd was pronounced dead shortly after.
Solomon
(12,460 posts)Get the fuck out of here with that manslaughter bullshit. That was first degree murder.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)Manslaughter still gets you a long sentence.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)He had bystanders telling him he was killing a man, and the killing took eight to nine minutes. It takes a long time to kill a human being by depriving them of oxygen. He had to be thinking about what he was doing.
I've heard prosecutors argue that formation of intent (premeditation) can occur in a matter of seconds.
Also, they didn't know each other, so this is not the same state of mind as a guy busting in on his wife in bed with another man. This looks so calculated and unprovoked. ??
Just curious.
Solomon
(12,460 posts)Charge the fucking murderer. Just because white people rarely get convicted of murder doesn't mean you shouldn't charge them. If the jury wants to give a smirking murderer a murder 2 conviction that's a lesser included offense. The fucker should be charged with murder one.
And yes. I'm fucking angry about this bullshit. White folks always saying charge white folk with manslaughter. Fuck that!
lapfog_1
(29,883 posts)in this case if cop who kneeled on his neck showed no effort to lessen the pressure on his neck despite the victim crying out for his life, it could be argued that at THAT TIME he formed intent to kill.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)easiest way to get there. No doubt a bunch of other charges will pile on.
And never forget the prosecutor will be balancing his relationship with the other cops and the deprtment.
quakerboy
(14,092 posts)kept there for many minutes without intent to do so.
Not to mention the evidence piling up that the officer had history with the specific human he murdered.
blitzen
(4,572 posts)if that was a smirk on the face of the cop doing the strangling (I seemed to detect one), then it was all a big fun game to the cops. That seems to be premeditation and perhaps some degree of murder.
LakeArenal
(29,677 posts)Should be 1st degree. Lawyers or not.
malaise
(276,960 posts)lapfog_1
(29,883 posts)cuts off the breathing... but that's not what killed him (most likely).
What killed him was cutting off the caritod artery and killing his brain.
No one should have a knee on their neck for any reason. The potential to cause death or brain damage is very real (and likely).
The other officers present had a DUTY to stop such an assault at the time and tio threaten force and potentially use force to stop it.
kentuck
(112,491 posts)To a crime.
lapfog_1
(29,883 posts)enter the 7-11 and shoot the clerk, and you do nothing to either hinder or help the person doing the shooting, you can be charged with murder in most states, though most prosecutors would go for manslaugther for you and 1st degree murder for the person doing the shooting.
clementine613
(561 posts)They did this at his bidding. He's just as responsible.
geardaddy
(25,310 posts)Stuart G
(38,726 posts)If it were a minute, or 30 seconds...maybe not. But, For 8 minutes??
Eight minutes is ....on purpose....Jury will convict the cop will the cop will get a long sentence in jail. The evidence is all over the country & cannot be erased or changed...The cop knew exactly what he was doing. When the jury watches and waits 8 minutes...and imagines what went on in that person's mind, conviction is definite. No excuse, None, Nada, Zero, etc.
totodeinhere
(13,239 posts)PurgedVoter
(2,360 posts)Rank it right beside terrorism and treason.
BamaRefugee
(3,686 posts)Mr. Floyd.
just toss him in a cell and walk away, come back in oh, let's say 8 minutes and 46 seconds and see if he's ok.
DENVERPOPS
(9,797 posts)THE OTHER sadist, white racist cops who were also kneeling on him?????????? The so called Liberal press IS NOT SHOWING THE CAMERA ANGLE that shows all four of them kneeling on him except every once in a while.......a camera angle that truly shows it to be even more horrific a murder. 81+% of all the nation's media are owned by RepubliCONS. By not showing the other camera angle picture, they are as complicit as are all the RepubliCONs, and republiCON voters who voted these assholes and are doing everything in their power to keep them in power.......
He allegedly, maybe, perhaps, might have, may have, possibly had a counterfeit in his possession............
There is a string of these a mile long over the past decade..........
WHY HAVEN'T THE OTHER THREE BEEN ARRESTED???????????????????
I don't know about any of you other Dems/liberals, but I wouldn't expect any of these police to be on our side, even if we were protesting peacefully.........
HipChick
(25,494 posts)before being dropped to the ground, and murdered...
gldstwmn
(4,575 posts)custody. Let him gut it out. He sure thought he was a bad ass in that video. Let's see what he's really made of.