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kentuck

(111,646 posts)
Thu May 28, 2020, 01:57 PM May 2020

It was murder.

I hesitate to say much about it because I do not trust what I might say?

But, my first question was: Is this the most common form of restraint? How could anyone hold their knee on someone's neck and not know that he has stopped breathing?

Local policemen are not above the law.

He should be put into "protective custody" and locked away until there is a verdict, in my humble opinion.

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It was murder. (Original Post) kentuck May 2020 OP
There is no justice safeinOhio May 2020 #1
totally agree gopiscrap May 2020 #2
"Murder" presumes prior intent in most places. "Manslaughter" works as well most of the time. TreasonousBastard May 2020 #3
Legally, you are probably correct. kentuck May 2020 #4
Oh, yeah, This guy looks like a danger to society. Big bail, if any. Really big bail. TreasonousBastard May 2020 #9
How much prior? ret5hd May 2020 #6
Think stalking you ex-wife, killing your business partner to get the other half... TreasonousBastard May 2020 #12
I don't know how much "rage" there is... ret5hd May 2020 #13
It was "Yeah, I'm killing him. What are you going to do about it?" dalton99a May 2020 #16
Close enough to rage to get the lawyers tlkaing. TreasonousBastard May 2020 #19
muder most foul spike jones May 2020 #32
Fuck that! What about choking someone to death for 7 minutes does not involve prior intent? Solomon May 2020 #7
Find a lawyer and ask how much easier it is to get him off on a murder charge... TreasonousBastard May 2020 #8
What about Second Degree Murder (at least)? Mike 03 May 2020 #22
I am a fucking lawyer. Solomon May 2020 #23
Prior intent can be formed just minutes before the act lapfog_1 May 2020 #18
Lotta things "could' be argued, but a prosecutor is looking for a "win" and the... TreasonousBastard May 2020 #20
You dont choke a man to death with an intentional boot on his neck quakerboy May 2020 #26
If that was a cop telling him to get in the car while the other cop was strangling him, and... blitzen May 2020 #5
It's murder. LakeArenal May 2020 #10
For eight minutes malaise May 2020 #11
Putting a knee on someone with your full weight lapfog_1 May 2020 #14
Accessories? kentuck May 2020 #15
if you are with someone that leaves you in the car while they lapfog_1 May 2020 #17
Yes, it was murder... and Donald Trump should be prosecuted just as strongly as the cops. clementine613 May 2020 #21
No mistake. It was murder plain and simple. n/t geardaddy May 2020 #24
Of course it is murder. And a jury will convict. Stuart G May 2020 #25
Don't be so sure about that. totodeinhere May 2020 #29
Murder while abusing power should be a new catagory PurgedVoter May 2020 #27
NO PROTECTIVE CUSTODY! Just extend to Chauvin the same concern for human life that he exhibited for BamaRefugee May 2020 #28
What about DENVERPOPS May 2020 #30
New video shows him being assaulted in the car by cops.. HipChick May 2020 #31
He doesn't deserve protective gldstwmn May 2020 #33

kentuck

(111,646 posts)
4. Legally, you are probably correct.
Thu May 28, 2020, 02:02 PM
May 2020

But he needs to be locked away until there can be a jury of his peers, in my opinion.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
12. Think stalking you ex-wife, killing your business partner to get the other half...
Thu May 28, 2020, 02:17 PM
May 2020

rage building up while restraining him doesn't count so much.

Now, actually out looking for a black guy to do in could be be argued as murder. As could some maniac serial killer.

But it's for lawyers to deal with the semantics of the charges-- the real point is whatever it takes to put this guy away.

ret5hd

(20,850 posts)
13. I don't know how much "rage" there is...
Thu May 28, 2020, 02:29 PM
May 2020

when one hand is in your pocket and a long lasting smirk on your face.

I would probably call that “self satisfaction with complete awareness”...and I know that’s not a legal phrase.

spike jones

(1,731 posts)
32. muder most foul
Sun May 31, 2020, 09:17 AM
May 2020

These are the last words of George Floyd, a 46-year-old man who died as a US police officer pinned him down, kneeling on his neck for seven minutes, until he suffocated:
"It's my face man
I didn't do nothing serious man
please
please
please I can't breathe
please man
please somebody
please man
I can't breathe
I can't breathe
please
(inaudible)
man can't breathe, my face
just get up
I can't breathe
please (inaudible)
I can't breathe sh*t
I will
I can't move
mama
mama
I can't
my knee
my nuts
I'm through
I'm through
I'm claustrophobic
my stomach hurt
my neck hurts
everything hurts
some water or something
please
please
I can't breathe officer
don't kill me
they gon' kill me man
come on man
I cannot breathe
I cannot breathe
they gon' kill me
they gon' kill me
I can't breathe
I can't breathe
please sir
please
please
please I can't breathe"
Then his eyes shut and the pleas stop. George Floyd was pronounced dead shortly after.

Solomon

(12,404 posts)
7. Fuck that! What about choking someone to death for 7 minutes does not involve prior intent?
Thu May 28, 2020, 02:06 PM
May 2020

Get the fuck out of here with that manslaughter bullshit. That was first degree murder.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
8. Find a lawyer and ask how much easier it is to get him off on a murder charge...
Thu May 28, 2020, 02:09 PM
May 2020

Manslaughter still gets you a long sentence.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
22. What about Second Degree Murder (at least)?
Thu May 28, 2020, 04:56 PM
May 2020

He had bystanders telling him he was killing a man, and the killing took eight to nine minutes. It takes a long time to kill a human being by depriving them of oxygen. He had to be thinking about what he was doing.

I've heard prosecutors argue that formation of intent (premeditation) can occur in a matter of seconds.

Also, they didn't know each other, so this is not the same state of mind as a guy busting in on his wife in bed with another man. This looks so calculated and unprovoked. ??

Just curious.

Solomon

(12,404 posts)
23. I am a fucking lawyer.
Thu May 28, 2020, 05:24 PM
May 2020

Charge the fucking murderer. Just because white people rarely get convicted of murder doesn't mean you shouldn't charge them. If the jury wants to give a smirking murderer a murder 2 conviction that's a lesser included offense. The fucker should be charged with murder one.

And yes. I'm fucking angry about this bullshit. White folks always saying charge white folk with manslaughter. Fuck that!

lapfog_1

(29,581 posts)
18. Prior intent can be formed just minutes before the act
Thu May 28, 2020, 03:50 PM
May 2020

in this case if cop who kneeled on his neck showed no effort to lessen the pressure on his neck despite the victim crying out for his life, it could be argued that at THAT TIME he formed intent to kill.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
20. Lotta things "could' be argued, but a prosecutor is looking for a "win" and the...
Thu May 28, 2020, 04:22 PM
May 2020

easiest way to get there. No doubt a bunch of other charges will pile on.

And never forget the prosecutor will be balancing his relationship with the other cops and the deprtment.

quakerboy

(13,998 posts)
26. You dont choke a man to death with an intentional boot on his neck
Fri May 29, 2020, 04:29 PM
May 2020

kept there for many minutes without intent to do so.

Not to mention the evidence piling up that the officer had history with the specific human he murdered.

blitzen

(4,572 posts)
5. If that was a cop telling him to get in the car while the other cop was strangling him, and...
Thu May 28, 2020, 02:04 PM
May 2020

if that was a smirk on the face of the cop doing the strangling (I seemed to detect one), then it was all a big fun game to the cops. That seems to be premeditation and perhaps some degree of murder.

lapfog_1

(29,581 posts)
14. Putting a knee on someone with your full weight
Thu May 28, 2020, 03:26 PM
May 2020

cuts off the breathing... but that's not what killed him (most likely).

What killed him was cutting off the caritod artery and killing his brain.

No one should have a knee on their neck for any reason. The potential to cause death or brain damage is very real (and likely).

The other officers present had a DUTY to stop such an assault at the time and tio threaten force and potentially use force to stop it.

lapfog_1

(29,581 posts)
17. if you are with someone that leaves you in the car while they
Thu May 28, 2020, 03:45 PM
May 2020

enter the 7-11 and shoot the clerk, and you do nothing to either hinder or help the person doing the shooting, you can be charged with murder in most states, though most prosecutors would go for manslaugther for you and 1st degree murder for the person doing the shooting.

clementine613

(561 posts)
21. Yes, it was murder... and Donald Trump should be prosecuted just as strongly as the cops.
Thu May 28, 2020, 04:50 PM
May 2020

They did this at his bidding. He's just as responsible.

Stuart G

(38,688 posts)
25. Of course it is murder. And a jury will convict.
Fri May 29, 2020, 11:15 AM
May 2020

If it were a minute, or 30 seconds...maybe not. But, For 8 minutes??

Eight minutes is ....on purpose....Jury will convict the cop will the cop will get a long sentence in jail. The evidence is all over the country & cannot be erased or changed...The cop knew exactly what he was doing. When the jury watches and waits 8 minutes...and imagines what went on in that person's mind, conviction is definite. No excuse, None, Nada, Zero, etc.

BamaRefugee

(3,534 posts)
28. NO PROTECTIVE CUSTODY! Just extend to Chauvin the same concern for human life that he exhibited for
Sat May 30, 2020, 12:37 PM
May 2020

Mr. Floyd.
just toss him in a cell and walk away, come back in oh, let's say 8 minutes and 46 seconds and see if he's ok.

DENVERPOPS

(9,298 posts)
30. What about
Sun May 31, 2020, 01:38 AM
May 2020

THE OTHER sadist, white racist cops who were also kneeling on him?????????? The so called Liberal press IS NOT SHOWING THE CAMERA ANGLE that shows all four of them kneeling on him except every once in a while.......a camera angle that truly shows it to be even more horrific a murder. 81+% of all the nation's media are owned by RepubliCONS. By not showing the other camera angle picture, they are as complicit as are all the RepubliCONs, and republiCON voters who voted these assholes and are doing everything in their power to keep them in power.......

He allegedly, maybe, perhaps, might have, may have, possibly had a counterfeit in his possession............

There is a string of these a mile long over the past decade..........

WHY HAVEN'T THE OTHER THREE BEEN ARRESTED???????????????????

I don't know about any of you other Dems/liberals, but I wouldn't expect any of these police to be on our side, even if we were protesting peacefully.........

HipChick

(25,488 posts)
31. New video shows him being assaulted in the car by cops..
Sun May 31, 2020, 01:54 AM
May 2020

before being dropped to the ground, and murdered...

gldstwmn

(4,575 posts)
33. He doesn't deserve protective
Sun May 31, 2020, 09:21 AM
May 2020

custody. Let him gut it out. He sure thought he was a bad ass in that video. Let's see what he's really made of.

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