Sen Murphy: When I imagined the worst case scenario under Trump, I admittedly never imagined this.

[Dennis Donovan]

Link to tweet

Chris Murphy @ChrisMurphyCT

After Trump's incompetence causes 100,000 die from a deadly virus, he calls for the death of Democrats and protesters to be shot on sight.

When I imagined the worst case scenario under Trump, I admittedly never imagined this.

8:56 AM · May 29, 2020

Me either...

[uponit7771]

1. I imagine Trump putting non-whites in concentration camps are trying to kill us all somehow and he's

... gotten pretty close.

[wnylib]

59. I believe that it's a goal of his.

It certainly is a goal of his base and he is giving them the freedom and encouragement to follow through.

[erronis]

62. First the non-whites. Then the poor whites, the liberals, anyone who opposes his rule.

If we allow this shit-stain (peeResident and [r]epuglicon/libertarian enablers) to continue, most of us will lose any freedom. And since there aren't enough gulags to hold us all, we'll lose our lives.

[uponit7771]

63. +1, I think it's fair to ask what Hitler level we're at now

[Squidly]

68. Right now?

I'm going to say Hitler-3

With all out, mass murder, Holocaust level horror being Hitler-10.

If come November and he manages to stay in power, we are going to escalate quickly to Hitler-4 to Hitler-5...Invading Canada or Mexico will put us at Hitler-7

[uponit7771]

91. +1, I'd say 4 with the kidnapped kids ... that's text book up UN defined genocide

[Squidly]

100. After tonight's MAGAt rally...

It might reach Hitler-5....his version of Kristallnacht....Night of the Red Hats....

[wnylib]

75. You nailed it regarding the sequence

of groups that he is targeting and will target.

First it was Hispanics, with the claim that they were criminals for seeking asylum. As criminals, they could be dehumanized, put in cages, their children taken from them. Since he got away with that with minor protests, he feels free to target anyone else.

Actually, though, Hispanics were not the first. Soon as he was sworn in, he went after Muslim immigrants. Then journalists who did not agree with him, or who asked questions he did not like. Then it was Hispanics.

But he does not have a strong ideology like Hitler had. He has no ideology, except to hold power and make money. He derives his political power from RW extremists and racists, shares their views, and will threaten and act against anyone who challenges him or displeases him, but has no overall program about minorities.

He rewards people like Stephen Miller, and formerly, Bannon, and promotes the things they suggest. He favors Republicans in Congress and R governors who pass legislation and use executive orders to suppress minority and progressive votes, and who promote legislation and judicial decisions that favor the wealthy and harm minorities.

But he does not have an organized, coherent overall plan for cleansing the nation of people he despises. Not yet, anyway. He takes turns at attacking them. However, I believe that would change if he maintains power in November. If that happens, I would expect him to appoint someone to develop an ethnic/racial cleansing program for him.

[erronis]

76. Agree with your sequencing also. He is scatter-brained but taking some direction. Given a 2020 win

his handlers will go full-bore and make sure that nothing in our current government, constitution, states-rights will stand in the way of domination.

The "both sides" and those yearning for a "dialog" will find themselves under the bus (or polizei heel) also.

Not sure shitler will survive much longer but his trains of death are already getting ready to leave the station.

[wnylib]

78. I've read up on Hitler's rise

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which most Americans know very little about. They only know about his actions and atrocities after becoming dictator. Trump follows a similar pattern in many ways and there are some similarities in personality and character.

But there are differences, too. Making a detailed comparison would take too much time and space here. I would summarize a comparison by saying that Hitler was obsessively disciplined and organized while Trump is obsessively disorganized and chaotic. But toward the end, Hitler became more and more disorganized and insane.

Hitler formulated his own political philosophy and long range plans and wrote about them. Trump is too disorganized and rebellious to have that kind of mental discipline. But he has people close to him who share his racist views and can formulate plans for him.

[Ford_Prefect]

85. As I recall it Stephen Miller made a special study of Hitler and he advises Trump.

I suspect this is why he's one of the very few who is still inside Trump's circle.

[wnylib]

87. Didn't know that about Miller.

That increases the likelihood of a more organized ideology being put into action either jyst before or just after the November elections.

[Ford_Prefect]

90. Miller is a genuine white supremacist/Neo-Nazi. He's a close friend of Richard Spencer,

and other leading lights in the white power movement. I suspect he's got the same degree of influence over Trump that Kissinger did over Nixon, if not more.

He definitely sees this moment as his opportunity to reshape America and the world and seems to believe that is why he is in the White House. He's the kind of paranoid sociopath who is sure he's on the right side of God and anything he thinks to do is the most important for the future of the white race.

I strongly believe he is the principal motivator behind much of the more horrid things Trump has said and done. Not that Trump would not have done them on his own but that his focus, the degree of hatred he expresses, and the way he does it are all shaped and coordinated by Miller to suit his personal agenda.

[wnylib]

95. I knew about Miller's white supremacy.

But I did not know that he had researched Hitler.

I'm sure that some of Trump's policies and positions have been developed by Miller, but I am also sure that they are totally in line with Trump's views. As for the degree of hatred that Trump expresses, it so genuinely part of who he is that he does not need anyone to help him express it.

Trump lacks the brains and self-discipline to develop plans and policies, so the people close to him are the brains for that. But Trump totally shares the feelings of supremacy and hatred that his close advisors have.

[Ford_Prefect]

96. Yes. Trump's anger, his point of view, and his hatred are his own.

As certainly his vengeful responses are.

My point about Miller is that he's far more influential on the details and I suspect he's one of those who steer Trump where Trump says he wants to go.

I suspect that some of the really mean and ugly comes directly from him through Trump. Miller has that track record elsewhere. He picks someone who can front his ideas better than he can and teaches them to sing his tunes. He takes what is already nasty about Trump's methods and views and turns it up to 11 in ways Trump alone would not think to do. It has been said that Steve Bannon is quite jealous of how well Miller can play Trump's strings.

I look forward to a day when Miller, along with others, must stand in the prisoner's dock and hear the record read against him...And then face the jury who would surely hang him twice if possible.

As much as Trump is responsible for most of the deaths and the spread of COVID-19 in the US, Miller is responsible for what has happened in the ICE camps and many other atrocities. He is the policy wonk who gives teeth and claws to the application of Trump's monstrous beliefs.

[NotHardly]

82. I do believe that just blaming Trump & not the whole of the Republican party is falacy...

they are all in on it and will do anything, anything, including letting people die (over 100,000 and counting) to make their "vision" of America into a reality, and they are doing a bang-up job of doing just that very thing.

[wnylib]

88. I agree with you. This direction has been

developing for a long time. Trump is only the face of it, the character who can present this twisted vision for the country to the public and get away with it.

They could not present this image without Trump. He could not get where he is without their collusion. They are a perfect storm together. Throw in Russian influence to complete the picture.

I suspect that some of the R players in this power grab are not willing. I think that some of the R's have been pressured into collusion by the use of compromising information. After all, Putin is an old hand at digging up dirt to exploit.

[DBoon]

69. He has already done this with immigrants seeking asylum

Which is their legal right, BTW

[uponit7771]

93. +1, its text book UN defined genocide what he did with the immigrant kids

[dewsgirl]

2. K and R.

[homegirl]

74. These two men saw it coming...

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/28/us/politics/coronavirus-republicans-trump.html?smid=em-share


Long but important reading.

[John Ludi]

3. I figured

it would end with nukes.



And I still do.

[niyad]

30. Welcome to DU. I have thought much the same.

[pazzyanne]

35. He is definitely marching toward a nuclear confrontation. nt

[jaxexpat]

49. Yeah, Hurricane season starts on Sunday.

[bsiebs]

52. Lol. Touche

[trusty elf]

77. Nuke, nuke, nuke....

[DownriverDem]

39. Everything I care

about would be undone. Yet, trump is way worse than I thought he would be. Turning a deadly pandemic into a red v Blue fight is unbelievable.

[wnylib]

60. Not nukes. Not here in the US.

Nukes are too messy on the infrastructure and they leave a radioactive residue that makes regions uninhabitable for many years.

But civil war without nukes? Yes, more than ever now I think that's where we are headed - before this year is over.

[sop]

4. Putin did.

[raging moderate]

5. I did.

He will drop bombs if he can. How many people flock to see those blockbuster movies?

[Moostache]

12. Yup...the worst is not yet happened.

Before January, Trump is going to use nuclear weapons somewhere. I am utterly convinced of it.

[Harker]

20. Somehow, a gigantic mushroom

would be a personal validation for him, his little mushroom having been publically ridiculed..

[IggleDuer]

25. What does he have to lose?

N/T

[Harker]

44. Good question.

When you ain't got nothing, you got nothing to lose.

[First Speaker]

57. ...his "base" would get off on the idea...

...as the Magistrate, in his wisdom, has said: his followers secretly get off on the idea that he's a murderer--ie, those executives who died in the helicopter crash in 1989. How would they react to the idea of their savior dropping a nuke somewhere? We'd have a mass orgasm in the Red states...

[DBoon]

70. They'd pile out en masse waving flags to celebrate

when Trump nukes some Iranians

It would be one giant party to celebrate the incineration of millions of people

[IronLionZion]

22. He wants a foreign enemy to kill so he can rally support

but is stupid and evil enough to settle for domestic "enemies"

[bigtree]

6. pretty much what I predicted

....

[SoonerPride]

7. I did. And I predict it will still get worse

Much much worse

[lagomorph777]

8. This is pretty much what I assumed would happen if Trump got installed: complete social breakdown.

[OMGWTF]

64. Buy American -- I did and it's the best purchase I ever made -- V. Putin

[lagomorph777]

65. LOL - he may experience buyer's remorse after November.

We're gonna come down HARD on his global criminal syndicate.

[Hugin]

9. I would say that indicates a lack of imagination...

and it's only going to get worse.

[dalton99a]

10. There is no bottom to his depravity or the depravity of Republicans.

[2naSalit]

11. I did. ...nt

[BeyondGeography]

13. I thought he'd be an insecure, hateful fool

Hasn’t disappointed.

[SledDriver]

14. There. Is. No. Bottom.

n/t

[Iliyah]

15. I saw it coming . . .

The present illegal administration are white nationalists.

But where are the republicans?

Silent.

[Grins]

73. Me too!

[SamKnause]

16. I did.

I tried to warn everyone that I knew.

It fell on deaf ears.

That's why I cried for 3 days when it was announced that he would be president.

If he wins again it will be 100 times worse.

He has the packed courts and controls of all our of institutions.

He has destroyed the republican party and they have opted to become the party of Trump.

He has the Nazi's and White Supremacists backing.

He has the Prosperity Gospel and the Evangelicals backing.

He has the backing of the Fox "news" brainwashed viewers.

He has intentionally appointed unqualified people to dismantle the federal government.

He has his own state media.

This is the greatest threat this country has ever faced.

[Freedomofspeech]

27. I totally agree.

[txwhitedove]

40. Exactly, ditto here.

[jaxexpat]

50. well, If you put it like that......

What have we got to lose? Eh?

[BonnieJW]

61. My daughters, their families and I have agreed

to move to Canada if he gets re-elected. We are Jewish and we can never forget how so many Jews waited too long to leave Germany when they still had the chance. This creature is evil as are his three oldest children. I think his wife is a hostage and I'm sure her son is being used for leverage against her. His younger daughter wisely stays away from them.

[ooky]

17. Yeah. This period of American history will be known as "The Reign of Terror".

Hopefully limited to 4 years.

[fishwax]

18. now imagine a worst-case scenario in a second term

[riversedge]

23. right. trump will only grow more vengeful

[pazzyanne]

37. He has exceed every one of my original imaginative scenarios.

The only other scenario left is world annihilation.

[kacekwl]

19. I knew he would destroy the country.

What I didn't know was a complete political party would allow it.

[Laelth]

21. Hear! Hear! Well said. k&r n/t

-Laelth

[NJCher]

24. In Pennsylvania, Republicans are exposing Dems to corona without telling them

Pennsylvania State Legislature: Long story short: repuke has the virus, tells fellow republicans, they all decide not to tell the Democrats who were exposed from the repuke.

Link to story in NY Times.

I read almost all the comments. “New low” is repeated over and over.

The republican motive? Probably to avoid embarrassment over their position to not wearing masks, playing down the virus, etc.

[DBoon]

71. bio-terrorism

[mucifer]

26. I imagined nuclear war from the beginning. I still think it could happen

[SoonerPride]

42. Same. That's our "October surprise!"

[Alacritous Crier]

28. I told my wife...

the night he got the RNC nomination "This is not going to end well."

[George II]

29. I was despondent for weeks after the election. We got to see trump first-hand in New York...

But I never imagined it to be this bad.

I don't think anyone in their wildest dreams could imagine what we're seeing today.

[Blue Owl]

31. Get this Russian-installed imposter out of our White House FFS

n/t

[niyad]

32. Sorry, Sen. Murphy, but I saw Hitler 2.0 from the beginning.

[CrispyQ]

33. Other than "Fuck you!"

I'm at a loss of what to say to family and friends who still support this shithole and the Republican Party.

[Golden Raisin]

34. As a child of the Cold War I always anticipated a trumped-up

(no pun intended) war somewhere in the world complete with U.S. dropping nuclear bombs. Can certainly still happen.

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. In a 2014 interview with fox, when asked about the direction of the country,

tRump said when the economy crashes and the country goes to hell then you have riots to get us back to when we were great. He laughed while saying that.
To bad that wasn't highlighted by the msm during the campaign.

[aggiesal]

41. Here's the video clip (Sorry it's a Faux noose site) ...

At the 2:03 mark

Unfortunately, he meant that there would be riots under Obama and that riots would
bring us back to when we were great.

Well, those riots never happened. It appears that the riots in Minneapolis are possibly
being instigated by provocateurs.

[SammyWinstonJack]

45. Thanks. I only know of the interview because of a Twitter comment.

[cayugafalls]

38. I believe this was his end game all along. Maybe not the virus.

But pitting us against each other and fomenting violence so he could order protesters shot, absolutely.

[Wounded Bear]

43. That's the problem. Nobody "imagined" Trump would go this far...

So we had to let him 'prove' it.

[jalan48]

46. LOL-this is exactly what he needs to get re-elected. It was pretty easy to predict.

[Hortensis]

47. For months I checked the news on waking to make sure

we hadn't murdered hundreds of thousands or even millions overnight.

Trump has not exceeded my expectations domestically, including calling for murdering Democrats and protesters. And having to fight off potential pandemic disease has become so normal, that the possibility that disease could become a serious problem was obvious when Trump tried to eliminate the CDC and others and installed incompetent administrators.

What I didn't imagine is that sociopathic McConnell and company would watch pandemic disease come for the U.S. and deliberately refuse to take action to stop it. Maybe should have. Massive disruptions create great opportunities for bad actors to seize power illicitly, and the end was in sight for these bad actors.

[liberalla]

48. Same here. I knew things would get worse than anyone expected, but it's so much worse than I

Imagined... and it seems we have a ways to go yet...

Dread.

[musclecar6]

51. I've been

Saying from the beginning when Trump started running for office in 2015 that he is a Hitler wannabe. Of course most thought that way too extreme a view of him. Now that he has said when the looting starts the shooting begins with the military shooting the looters, my only question is WHY are there still people in this country who can’t see what a dangerous unhinged lunatic we have leading this country.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

53. I can imagine an enraged Trump pounding both little fists on the Resolute Desk, ...

"Dutarte gets to kill people whenever he wants! Kim Jung Un gets to kill people whenever he wants! I WANT TO BE ABLE TO KILL PEOPLE WHENEVER I WANT!!!!!"

[Warpy]

54. I imagined it

but I didn't imagine the cause. I knew he'd bungle something so badly--the economy, foreign policy, massive deregulation--that he'd kill off a whole bunch of us through war, starvation, or industrial disaster. It was inevitable, given his utter unsuitability to the job and the fact that the billionaires are surrounding him with lackeys and wrecking balls to destroy the country so they can remake it as an Ayn Rand capitalist paradise.

I didn't anticipate a virus. I freely admit that. I anticipated a lot of people dying and the country in a shambles and decades of needing to rebuild relationships with allies and maybe a century of rebuilding America's trust in the democratic process.

However, I'm not surprised. I knew he'd fuck up and kill a lot of us. He is incapable of anything else.

[Javaman]

55. if you started off knowing that the orange asshole was a psychopath...

nothing that has happened so far would come as a surprise.

I truly expect things to get a lot worse as we head into november.

we are witness to the cornered rat syndrome.

he knows he's completely fucked so he believes he has nothing lose by going full insane racist dictator.

[Loge23]

56. Lot's of "never imagined" things these days

For example: Did we ever think that the entire government would turn a blind eye to this outrage? No patriots here, no one to step up and save the country. No, I never imagined that this horror would get this far - and it's continuing. Just wait until tomorrow, next week, next month. It'll be a miracle if this country survives until November and ends this disaster.

[llmart]

58. The day after the election I had a feeling of complete dread...

I went to work that day wondering if I was the only one who felt that way. I was fairly quiet all day and realized that all the people around me in my department were dead silent other than absolutely necessary conversations regarding work matters. I worked at a university and the staff in my department were all pretty much liberal except for one woman whom I had to work closely with. There was a palpable feeling of incredulity as to what just happened, dread and fear of where the country would be headed, glumness and depression. I felt all of that. I had no idea what it would look like, but I had that gut instinct that this was going to be a disaster.

Little did I know.

[grantcart]

66. I expected Tehran destroyed millions killed, Straits closed, Israel attacked

$ 8 a gallon gas and 30% unemployed.

[young_at_heart]

67. What will it take?

The Republican party has nothing to say??

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

72. He also praises himself because if he hadn't done anything, then 2 to 3 million would have died.

Huh? In which universe does that make sense? In which world did Fat Donnie do anything to get the pandemic under control? The reason the death count is "only" 100,000 is that once it became clear that Trump wasn't going to take any action -- other than stealing ventilators and PPE and giving huge amounts of taxpayer money to his contributors, despite the law saying he couldn't -- the governors (mostly Democrats) took charge of their states and initiated lock down measures. Once those started to show results ("flatten the curve" ) Trump declared victory (which happened only because of him, of course) and whipped up his minions to storm the state capitols (once again, Democratic governors), carrying semi-automatic weapons and demanding their right to get themselves and their children infected.

He has turned wearing masks into a political issue. And I thought the anti-vaxxers were fools.

I find myself rooting for the coronavirus, as least as far as Fat Donnie is concerned

I'm sure we can rustle up a used ventilator and emblazon "Trump" on the side.

I would say Trump is an idiot, but that would be an insult to idiots.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

79. Anytime Republicans can't be held accountable, expect the very worst.

Nixon (re Agnew), Reagan and W had already confirmed that theory.


KY.........

[hadEnuf]

80. Some of us did.

He is an American fascist's wet dream.

[jimlup]

81. I've been expecting a major catastrophe for awhile but yes, this is remarkably bad.

We have been teetering of the verge of major catastrophe for awhile now though if you think about it.

1. Trump screwed up North Korea - in a slightly different scenario that goes very badly wrong and well...

2. Trump has recklessly vacated the Iran nuclear deal and further stroked the fires by assassinating a Senior official. Yes, he was a vile person, nevertheless, the Administration had clearly not calculated the Iranian reaction and almost blundered into a major war.

3. Trump has continued to encourage ultra-right violent demonstrators.

4. Trump has proven he has no understanding of the gun crises in our country.

We have been teetering for sometime. It is not surprising that Trump's luck (and unfortunately, ours) has finally run out.

[Tumbulu]

83. well I sure did, and this is nothing folks-

sad to say.

The goal is a civil war with the absolute end of the Federal Government.

[Joinfortmill]

84. He's only just begun. Vote.

[MFGsunny]

86. Nothing new here, Senator Murphy! tRump is a grifting, day-trader supremacist ...

First he came for the Birtherism,

Then he came for the journalists who didn't peddle his lines,

Then he came for the "fake news" when facts didn't fawn him,

Then he came for the Muslim immigrants,

Then he came for the Mexican immigrants,

Then he came for the "nasty" women,

Then he came for the children of color and caged them,

Then he came for his "enemies" promoting to shoot them,

Then he came for the _______, the list seems disastrously endless!

and ALL of it in kiss-a$$ service to what purpose?

*** tRump pathological egomania, AND
*** stuffing $$$ into tRump-benefitting pockets.

VOTE!

[quaker bill]

89. I did not expect the pandemic

but a major recession and the cities on fire is no surprise

[Scalded Nun]

92. We are now seeing the chipping away at the groups that are actively against him.

The evil 1/3 will help him do that while 1/3 stand by hoping the will be spared if they stay quiet. Then the quiet 1/3 will dwindle as they cannot be trusted due to their not having any real loyalties.

That will leave the 1/3 and what remains of the quiet 1/3 that crossed over to the evil 1/3 side. They will all now have to support and cater to the ruling class because that is what their lot in life will have become.

Folks, we are not that far away. You have no idea as to the extent of damage the evil 1/3 can do, especially with a maniacal leader who sanctions every evil action they take and a justice system that essentially gives them a green light.

My German grandmother (lived through both world wars) told me plenty of stories about the nightmares she endured, including the death of my grandfather for the capital offense of calling out corruption.

[Cha]

94. Retweeted! TY Sen Chris Murphy!

[RhodeIslandOne]

97. I thought it would be nukes and NK

But yeah, this is almost as FUBAR

[LudwigPastorius]

98. It can get worse, Senator Murphy.

There is no bottom to Trump's depravity.

He would order the banks to default on Chinese creditors, order police to fire on protestors, even use nuclear weapons against Iran if he thought it would increase his chances of being reelected.

Depression, civil war, nuclear war...that's just three off the top of my head...

[Upthevibe]

99. Yea.....Me either....

And I was absolutely devastated during the week of the inauguration.... I won't get into the night and right after election) So much so that I couldn't even go to the Women's March (that first year). Fortunately, I got better and was able to go to Swing Left meetings, more marches than I can count, and I want to commit the rest of this year to the 2020 election cycle (if I can find some funding since I need to work).

My imagination couldn't have been able to conceive of atrocities that have occurred...