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markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
Sat May 30, 2020, 08:21 AM May 2020

White America speaks out of both sides of its mouth concerning how AFrican Americans should protest

On the one hand, we tell them that their protest must never be violent or threatening, even as death after death of members of their community occurs at the hands of white police officers., even as nothing changes and virtually nothing is done to address the issue On the other hand, when a Colin Kaepernick manages to find a peaceful way to register his protest against these deaths by respectfully kneeling during the national anthem,he is widely vilified as if he had committed high treason!

What the hell do we expect will happen?

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White America speaks out of both sides of its mouth concerning how AFrican Americans should protest (Original Post) markpkessinger May 2020 OP
K&R ck4829 May 2020 #1
K&R Solly Mack May 2020 #2
That is a broad brush you use. Evergreen Emerald May 2020 #3
And now it seems that outsiders, even white supremacists, are leading the violence. SharonAnn May 2020 #24
I agree. In my experience no ethnic group speaks with one voice. I'll keep pointing this out abqtommy May 2020 #26
Kaepernick could not even be bothered to vote. Tipperary May 2020 #4
That's his right; I don't have to agree with it . . . markpkessinger May 2020 #5
Well said n/t malaise May 2020 #19
K&R onecaliberal May 2020 #6
Well, the anti-lockdown protesters certainly can't complain a about the protests going down now world wide wally May 2020 #7
+1000 wnylib May 2020 #13
Exactly... you can't support having protests when you support their political views and then hughee99 May 2020 #15
Using Colin to justify burning people out of their jobs and looting is BS. 58Sunliner May 2020 #8
Yes, that would be BS . . . if I had done that. markpkessinger May 2020 #21
Unpaid bills come due. gibraltar72 May 2020 #9
Whose bills? Evergreen Emerald May 2020 #25
The bills for cities that swept this crap under the rug for years. gibraltar72 May 2020 #27
I am sure if they were burning yours you would think differently. Evergreen Emerald May 2020 #28
Those white suburban kids joining in Ex Lurker May 2020 #31
Exactly. dalton99a May 2020 #10
K&R. Paladin May 2020 #11
Yes, the riots are no surprise. The community has had enough. PatrickforO May 2020 #12
Looks like he's got one now. wnylib May 2020 #14
This is confusing LostinRed May 2020 #16
Shutting down a freeway isn't a violent protest Merlot May 2020 #17
I remember in New Jersey when Chris Christy shut down the freeway in retaliation Evergreen Emerald May 2020 #18
I never could understand the outrage over Kaepernick kneeling. cstanleytech May 2020 #20
Agreed. Evergreen Emerald May 2020 #22
I am saddened but not surprised DIVINEprividence May 2020 #23
I am very much on Colin's side Skittles May 2020 #29
Media did the vilifying spreading thang, same as usual, whatever their overlords want they push? Brainfodder May 2020 #30

SharonAnn

(13,771 posts)
24. And now it seems that outsiders, even white supremacists, are leading the violence.
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:08 AM
May 2020

Using the legal, non-violent demonstrations as cover.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
26. I agree. In my experience no ethnic group speaks with one voice. I'll keep pointing this out
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:36 AM
May 2020

until all the racism stops.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
5. That's his right; I don't have to agree with it . . .
Sat May 30, 2020, 09:17 AM
May 2020

. . . but it has nothing to do with the point of this thread.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
15. Exactly... you can't support having protests when you support their political views and then
Sat May 30, 2020, 10:15 AM
May 2020

complain about them when you don't!

That's why DUers didn't complain about the anti-lockdown protesters!

58Sunliner

(4,372 posts)
8. Using Colin to justify burning people out of their jobs and looting is BS.
Sat May 30, 2020, 09:56 AM
May 2020

It isn't just white people who disagree.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
21. Yes, that would be BS . . . if I had done that.
Sat May 30, 2020, 10:58 AM
May 2020

But that isn't at all what I said in my post. I was merely pointing out that it sends a mixed message to the AFrican American community when we say, "We'll listen to you so long as you are non-violent," but at the same time to villify on African American athlete's nonviolent expression of protest on the very same issue!

Also, another DU-er posted a quote from Martin Luther King, Jr. that is very much on point: here

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
25. Whose bills?
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:13 AM
May 2020

The shop keeper who has been supporting the community and providing employment to citizens of all backgrounds? The firefighters of all colors who risk their lives to put out the fires?

Whose bills?

gibraltar72

(7,499 posts)
27. The bills for cities that swept this crap under the rug for years.
Sat May 30, 2020, 12:13 PM
May 2020

weary of lectures about doing it the right way. I understand it, sorry it happened. But the institutions don't allow it to happen the right way. And one fascist administration can dash all hope built over 40 years. I wish they were burning Jerry Jones home instead but they aren't.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
28. I am sure if they were burning yours you would think differently.
Sat May 30, 2020, 01:01 PM
May 2020

They are indiscriminate. They do not determine who "deserves" to be attacked.

PatrickforO

(14,559 posts)
12. Yes, the riots are no surprise. The community has had enough.
Sat May 30, 2020, 10:08 AM
May 2020

We have to make some changes, though, and Trump doesn't seem to want to do much but incite race war.

LostinRed

(840 posts)
16. This is confusing
Sat May 30, 2020, 10:25 AM
May 2020

So I have to support these violent protest or I don’t support BLM? I have to support them shutting down freeways in LA so people after a long work week can’t get home to their families? While I’m sure they caught a few racist assholes in Their freeway shutdown most were probably people that support their cause. I’m sorry I will never support violent protesters no matter the cause I may share with them.

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
17. Shutting down a freeway isn't a violent protest
Sat May 30, 2020, 10:31 AM
May 2020

It's not intended to catch or punish people who don't agree with the protest.

People stuck on a freeway suffer inconvenience in their lives for a while, the people protesting have suffered a lot more for a lot longer. Those people who "just want to get home after a long week" can no longer ignore the issue.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
18. I remember in New Jersey when Chris Christy shut down the freeway in retaliation
Sat May 30, 2020, 10:37 AM
May 2020

Ambulances could not get through. People suffered.

One person's inconvenience is another person's life threatening situation.

It is not the intent, it is the result.

cstanleytech

(26,236 posts)
20. I never could understand the outrage over Kaepernick kneeling.
Sat May 30, 2020, 10:47 AM
May 2020

After all one of the founding principals of the country is having the freedom to express your opinion and also to protest something as long as you do it peacefully.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
22. Agreed.
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:01 AM
May 2020

The way the NFL treated him is unconscionable. Did the outrage start with Trump's lies and distortions against him?

 

DIVINEprividence

(443 posts)
23. I am saddened but not surprised
Sat May 30, 2020, 11:05 AM
May 2020

People can only take so much. That is why you need great leaders like MLK or Gandhi to channel all that energy in more constructive ways. Instead the POTUS is threatening to shoot folks on twitter. Just crazy. The problem with the violence and destruction is that it allows the powers that be to crack down in the name of law and order and to marginalize the issue being protested. Not to mention you are destroying your own community. That is why passive resistance is more effective in the long run. But anger is a powerful emotion. This country is divided and messed up like I have never seen in my life. It is so damn sad

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
30. Media did the vilifying spreading thang, same as usual, whatever their overlords want they push?
Sat May 30, 2020, 07:17 PM
May 2020

SO if you really want the right people, look at Fox News for starters and probably hang out there a while?

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