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I am left and am against Fascism, but am not ANTIFA. Arson isn't "left" by any measure. Anarchists are not left or right. I saw a lot of videos of white people, the group you serve doing bad things.
still_one
(92,061 posts)Governor said he would provide details
Zoonart
(11,834 posts)Antifa is the false flag cosplay wing of the far right. Every time they need someone to blame they dress up in black and start trouble then blame the mythical Antifa.
Antifa is just more gaslighting bullshit.
Walleye
(30,982 posts)Celerity
(43,118 posts)"I am Antifa" began trending in Germany after Trump said he might label the group a terror organization. Left-wing politicians hit back at the US president, while far-right politicians expressed support for the proposal
https://www.dw.com/en/trumps-threat-to-label-antifa-terrorist-group-triggers-row-in-germany/a-49780400
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The hashtag #IchbinAntifa ("I am Antifa" ) began trending on Twitter in Germany on Sunday after US President Donald Trump said he was considering labeling the group a terrorist organization.
Antifa, which is short for anti-fascists, is a loose network comprised of radical left-wing activists that confront right-wing extremists, neo-Nazi groups and white supremacists.
On Saturday, the US president said that the new classification "would make it easier for police to do their jobs," and dubbed the anti-fascist group "gutless radical left wack jobs."
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The Origins of Antifa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa
The Antifa movement has existed in different eras and incarnations; the original organisation called Antifa was Antifaschistische Aktion during the late history of the Weimar Republic until 1933.
The Antifa congress organised by the Communist Party of Germany (KPD) in 1932
The modern Antifa movement in Germany comprises different far-left, autonomous, militant groups and individuals who describe themselves as anti-fascist and usually use the abbreviation Antifa, and who regard the historical Antifaschistische Aktion or Antifa of the early 1930s as an inspiration. The modern Antifa movement ultimately has its origins in the student-based Außerparlamentarische Opposition (extra-parliamentary opposition) of the 1960s and early 1970s, and opposed the alleged "fascism" of the West German government. The earliest modern Antifa groups in this tradition were founded by the Maoist Communist League in the early 1970s. During the 1970s parts of the Außerparlamentarische Opposition were radicalized, culminating in the formation of terrorist groups like the Red Army Faction (RAF), the 2 June Movement and the Revolutionary Cells; some of the more radical elements within "Antifa" groups of the late 1970s had contact with the Red Army Faction and the Revolutionary Cells. From the late 1980s the squatter scene and autonomism movement were important in an upswing of the Antifa movement.
Unlike the original Antifaschistische Aktion, which had links to the Communist Party of Germany and which was concerned with industrial working-class politics, the late 1980s and early 1990s "autonomists" were instead independent "anti-authoritarian" Libertarian Marxists and anarcho-communists, not associated with any particular party. The publication Antifaschistisches Infoblatt was started in 1987.
Most modern Antifa groups were formed after the German reunification in 1990, mainly in the early part of the 1990s. For example, the Autonome Antifa (M) was established in Göttingen in 1990. The Antifaschistische Aktion Berlin, founded in 1993, became one of the more prominent groups. The Antifaschistische Aktion/Bundesweite Organisation was an umbrella organisation at the federal level that coordinated these groups across Germany. Aside from their violent clashes with ultra-nationalists, these groups participated in the annual May Day in Kreuzberg, which resulted in large-scale riots in 1987 and which have been characterized by a significant police presence.
Zoonart
(11,834 posts)I have seen no push back from them in print or in person. They only seem to "show up" when the right needs to use them as a convenient foil.
Celerity
(43,118 posts)In terms of the violence, generic black blocs (who often are infiltrated with agents provocateur and coppers) are often conflated with Antifa.
Black bloc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc
As for what is going on now, I absolutely think much of the violence is a false flag done by the RW. I also am not a huge fan of Antifa, but it certainly is a real thing and is not a RW creation. That was my main point.
Zoonart
(11,834 posts)Celerity
(43,118 posts)Zoonart
(11,834 posts)Celerity
(43,118 posts)plus the lesbian flag, in my sig line
yes, friend is fine
lame54
(35,264 posts)The New Black Panthers
essme
(1,207 posts)Real people. Some tracked down KKK/NAZI student leaders a few years ago. Sure there is some RW abuse of their name but there are ANTIFA groups that are real.
Saying they are fake sock-puppet groups for RW propaganda is not reality.
EDIT: the post above shows them fighting Hitler 80 years ago. I was remembering recent groups (Philly?) from a few years ago.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)Trump.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)CNN
Celerity
(43,118 posts)Sky, MSNBC, CNN.
They will say '2 sides, same coin.' Many also do not believe in the entire concept of left v right, especially if they of a certain flavour of anarchist. I say 'of a certain flavour' as further complicate things, they are anarchists who do subscribe to the left-right paradigm. The same goes for libertarians. You have left wing libertarians, right wing ones (some of those self-identify as anarcho-capitalists) and then non spectrumed ones.
IggleDuer
(964 posts).. I disagree with everything that Trump represents. Would this make Mango Musselini a fascist?