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Avalux

(35,015 posts)
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:16 PM Sep 2012

What if Romney provides all kinds of details and does a great job during the debates?

I was thinking about this scenario....he comes out and refuses to debate Obama and instead lays out his economic and foreign policy plans in detail and actually seems to have his shit together. Is it even conceivable he's been waiting for the debates to do this since he hasn't provided anything of substance thus far?

I know its highly unlikely but I like to think of all the possibilities. Especially after Romney stated Obama will "say things that aren't true" during the debate and Romney won't address them, will instead talk about what he wants to do. Would this sway undecideds?

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What if Romney provides all kinds of details and does a great job during the debates? (Original Post) Avalux Sep 2012 OP
Spam deleted by Hassin Bin Sober (MIR Team) kolayamilya Sep 2012 #1
What if pigs could fly... joeybee12 Sep 2012 #2
Thanks - I think I just need some reasurrance. Avalux Sep 2012 #5
My main reason why this won't happen is the sociopath Rmoney joeybee12 Sep 2012 #43
They are counting on their side not watching debates ReasonableToo Sep 2012 #47
Please don't hold your breath while you wait. appleannie1 Sep 2012 #3
Not even a plausible scenario... Kalidurga Sep 2012 #4
I agree - in reality, we may see a temper tantrum. Avalux Sep 2012 #8
Romney grew up in and spent his formative years in a church Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #17
That upbringing does make one wonder about his demeanor towards Obama. Avalux Sep 2012 #19
When you are raised to believe that there are Der Untermensch, thinking that they will Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #31
An asteroid could also hit the earth before the debates Gman Sep 2012 #6
Asteroid hitting the Earth is more likely Aerows Sep 2012 #42
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! fugop Sep 2012 #7
He'll smirk smaug Sep 2012 #24
Whatever Mitt says ProSense Sep 2012 #9
I think that's about as likely ohheckyeah Sep 2012 #10
what, and say nothing for the next hour and fifty-nine minutes? spanone Sep 2012 #11
Good one! Avalux Sep 2012 #12
This is what's going to happen thelordofhell Sep 2012 #13
That is yet another scenario.... Avalux Sep 2012 #15
Aliens could invade us and take over the earth before that happens. Life Long Dem Sep 2012 #14
He doesn't have to be clear or detailed, they plan to win by suppressing the vote still_one Sep 2012 #16
What if I fly out of my own butt? drm604 Sep 2012 #18
He can't provide lots of details AND do a great job Tom Rinaldo Sep 2012 #20
Will the details include his tax reports as well? mazzarro Sep 2012 #21
Paul Krugman had a blog post related to this Orangepeel Sep 2012 #22
Thanks for posting this. Krugman is a wise man. n/t Avalux Sep 2012 #23
No. EC Sep 2012 #25
I hope his earplug falls out and we see a lump in his back. valerief Sep 2012 #26
It just won't happen. Mittens is in a bubble of his own making The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2012 #27
Obama will just use his secret weapon to counter: Arithmetic. JaneyVee Sep 2012 #28
Not only won't he provide details, he can't... Spazito Sep 2012 #29
What if Romney just released his Tax Returns DearAbby Sep 2012 #30
id love it if he provided just two details. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #32
All Obama has to do is a question he isn't prepared to answer. nt nanabugg Sep 2012 #33
There is literally nothing specific he can say without contradicting himself K8-EEE Sep 2012 #34
Exactly. Too much detail and he'll contradict himself every 5 minutes arcane1 Sep 2012 #51
I think that the danger of something like that is... SoapBox Sep 2012 #35
no, really? MFM008 Sep 2012 #36
What if zombie dogs start attacking Mitwit? L0oniX Sep 2012 #37
Huh? M_M Sep 2012 #38
Okay everyone be very quiet and make no loud noises... whistler162 Sep 2012 #39
LOL...Are you high? Shankapotomus Sep 2012 #40
If that happens, make sure you have plenty of rock salt on hand mythology Sep 2012 #41
Yes. GeorgeGist Sep 2012 #44
What if Romney endorses Obama? GeorgeGist Sep 2012 #45
Impossible malaise Sep 2012 #46
Look, I guess it could happen, but the man cannot speak in complete sentences in public renie408 Sep 2012 #48
he would receive no votes whatsoever. yurbud Sep 2012 #49
And if a frog had longer legs he wouldn't bump his butt madokie Sep 2012 #50
I'm still not voting for him Retrograde Sep 2012 #52

Response to Avalux (Original post)

 

joeybee12

(56,177 posts)
43. My main reason why this won't happen is the sociopath Rmoney
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:38 PM
Sep 2012

thinks he's so great, he's already convinced himself he will win the debates.

ReasonableToo

(505 posts)
47. They are counting on their side not watching debates
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:31 PM
Sep 2012

Just like the 3rd Gore v. Bush debate. Polling showed that Gore won among those who watched the debate and Bush won among those who did not watch the debate. I still don't know why they polled people who did not watch the debate but it does reveal that biased media coverage (and/or ignorance) is powerful.

Romney already saying Pres. Obama will just lie during debate so they will probably encourage their sheep to NOT watch. Then the propaganda machine will spin just like they did after DNC.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
4. Not even a plausible scenario...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:20 PM
Sep 2012

Twit Romney has been all over the place and back. He can't take a hard question without getting prickly to say the least. He has no center to go to. He has no morality and he has demonstrated this time and time again. Romney isn't going to debate the clowns he debated when he was in the Republican debates. He is debating someone that actually knows what he is talking about. Romney is going to need to wear a couple pairs of Magic Depends for the debates.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
8. I agree - in reality, we may see a temper tantrum.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:23 PM
Sep 2012

One thing is for sure; his contempt for Obama will show, and I doubt he'll be able to remain calm when Obama schools him.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
17. Romney grew up in and spent his formative years in a church
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:35 PM
Sep 2012

that taught him that Black people are inferior as a matter of religious doctrine.

Hard to shake that early-life religious indoctrination.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
19. That upbringing does make one wonder about his demeanor towards Obama.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:42 PM
Sep 2012

Romney has always been in charge; he likes to fire people. On that stage with Obama, he won't be in charge, Obama is the President and will make that clear. Might be a huge mindfuck for Romney and he may lose it.

Ikonoklast

(23,973 posts)
31. When you are raised to believe that there are Der Untermensch, thinking that they will
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:31 PM
Sep 2012

react in a predictably cowardly and craven manner but instead end up kicking your stupid ass all over the map from the gates of Stalingrad back into your own backyard, it's a really bad way to find out you aren't all that superior, after all.

The learning curve as to just how wrong you were in underestimating the competency of your opponent ends up trending toward the vertical.

Mitt doesn't actually strike me as being all that smart; being lucky in life takes no real intelligence.

Gman

(24,780 posts)
6. An asteroid could also hit the earth before the debates
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:23 PM
Sep 2012

if you want to cover all the possibilities. Both scenarios are just as likely.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
42. Asteroid hitting the Earth is more likely
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:22 PM
Sep 2012

in my humble opinion, than Mitt Romney winning a debate against Barack Obama. It's like saying that an unstoppable force would be quelled by an incredibly movable and destructible object.

fugop

(1,828 posts)
7. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:23 PM
Sep 2012

Wait. Ok, so ... what if Romney provides details and ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Sorry, but I just can't see it.

smaug

(230 posts)
24. He'll smirk
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:58 PM
Sep 2012

And trot out the 'job creators' line.... and that destroying our industrial base and robbing pension plans is good for the economy - and the middle class is $250,000....

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Sorry, couldn't help myself. To quote Bugs, "What a maroon." - Which what RMoney finds himself when trying to talk to Americans.

ProSense

(116,464 posts)
9. Whatever Mitt says
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:25 PM
Sep 2012

he will have said the exact opposite at some point. They don't call him Mutiple Choice Mitt for nothing.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
12. Good one!
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:30 PM
Sep 2012

I think he'll spend the remaining hour and fifty-nine minute smirking and trying to come up with spontaneous and clever one-liners that fail miserably.

thelordofhell

(4,569 posts)
13. This is what's going to happen
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:31 PM
Sep 2012

Shitt Onmey isn't going to answer a single question directly. He's going to clumsily attack President Obama with outrageous lies and the "liberal" media will call him a tough cookie and say that President Obama was on defense throughout the debate.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
15. That is yet another scenario....
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:34 PM
Sep 2012

although I think he'd overplay it and come across as awkward and bumbling. That sort of strategy takes a level of skill Romney doesn't have.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,913 posts)
20. He can't provide lots of details AND do a great job
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:43 PM
Sep 2012

The details are toxic to his campaign when known, that's his problem. That leaves him with lying or evading details as his options.Evasion hasn't worked. Obama has to be prepared to nail him on lies. But even if Obama doesn't nail Romney on every lie, much of the media is on to his game by now - and lies will backfire.

mazzarro

(3,450 posts)
21. Will the details include his tax reports as well?
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:44 PM
Sep 2012

Eh - eh, will it also include his off-shore accounts in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland?

Orangepeel

(13,933 posts)
22. Paul Krugman had a blog post related to this
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 03:44 PM
Sep 2012

It makes sense to me:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/no-details-forthcoming/


Hmm. So even on the right, people are complaining that Romney isn’t providing enough details about his plans. And I’ve spoken to journalists who are sure that Romney will be forced to say more before Election Day.

No he won’t. He might lose for lack of detail, but no detail will be provided, for a very simple reason: his proposals don’t add up. He literally can’t do what he says he would do, namely cut tax rates on the rich without raising the tax burden on the middle class or making the deficit surge; nor can he propose spending cuts as large as he claims without cutting deeply into programs people depend on.

Another way of saying this, of course, is that his alleged budget plan is actually a fraud.

EC

(12,287 posts)
25. No.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:00 PM
Sep 2012

He doesn't give any details because he knows no one will like what he'd do and will not vote for him. Rmoney basically said it himself when he said he had to get to 50.1% of the vote and if he said what he'd do he wouldn't.

And when you look back in history, he will cut taxes and spend more money without paying for any of it.

valerief

(53,235 posts)
26. I hope his earplug falls out and we see a lump in his back.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:03 PM
Sep 2012

No fear of Rmoney doing well. He's dumb as a stump.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,858 posts)
27. It just won't happen. Mittens is in a bubble of his own making
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:03 PM
Sep 2012

in which he thinks he has it nailed down. I truly believe he has convinced himself that he has no obligation to explain much of anything because he is entitled to the presidency and therefore shouldn't have to answer questions asked by the little people.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
28. Obama will just use his secret weapon to counter: Arithmetic.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:06 PM
Sep 2012

I'm sure Obama is completely ready to debunk his entire BS platform.

Spazito

(50,477 posts)
29. Not only won't he provide details, he can't...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:12 PM
Sep 2012

Just as he said he will not provide his tax return because that will give "More things to pick through, more things for their opposition research... ", the same applies to details about anything else Romney has said. Details means fact checking which results in him being shown to either be a liar, incapable of simple arithmetic or, most likely, both, imo.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
32. id love it if he provided just two details.
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:32 PM
Sep 2012

1. his tax returns from 2001-2010.
2. the exact 'loopholes' he intends to close to offset the astoundingly huge tax cut for billionaires he is proposing.

K8-EEE

(15,667 posts)
34. There is literally nothing specific he can say without contradicting himself
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:36 PM
Sep 2012

He's boxed himself into a corner on virtually every singe issue.....this is why he HAS to do the Vague-y Mc.Vague schtick unfortunately everyone is on to it....if it weren't for racism he wouldn't even be a tiny bit close.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
51. Exactly. Too much detail and he'll contradict himself every 5 minutes
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:56 PM
Sep 2012

Though that would be a pleasure to see

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
35. I think that the danger of something like that is...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:36 PM
Sep 2012

well, maybe possible.

I would imagine that the Prez O team is considering all angles of Mittens...stupid, smart, angry, calm...blah, blah, blah. I have yet to see Mittens where he is not all "twitchy".

AND, remember, they just applied to have Queen Anne, on stage, next to him, DURING the debates!!!!!!! What's up with that shit?!?

Until, the polls are closed and a winner is declared (President Obama, that is), NO Dem, Lib, Progressive can take let up for one SECOND.

Focus...Focus...Focus!

MFM008

(19,820 posts)
36. no, really?
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 04:55 PM
Sep 2012

Who remembers the GOP debates with Flipper fuming, turning red and yelling for Anderson Cooper because someone was talking over him....I expect O will be subtle and try and bring out the best in Rmoney.

 

whistler162

(11,155 posts)
39. Okay everyone be very quiet and make no loud noises...
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:17 PM
Sep 2012

we obviously have a sleeptyper and like sleepwalkers they shouldn't be woken suddenly!

Shankapotomus

(4,840 posts)
40. LOL...Are you high?
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:19 PM
Sep 2012

The odds are better that Romney will start to feel ill, barf all over the podium on national television and have to be removed from the stage all hunched over.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
41. If that happens, make sure you have plenty of rock salt on hand
Sat Sep 15, 2012, 05:19 PM
Sep 2012

Then get started sprinkling it on the ground where hell froze over.

The reason that Romney hasn't offered specifics is that he can't. If he talks about specifics those can be fact checked. He won't say which tax deductions would be eliminated because he'd have to admit that his plan would only increase the deficit or he'd have to eliminate popular tax deductions. Thus he refuses to state which deductions would be eliminated and just says that some will.

GeorgeGist

(25,323 posts)
45. What if Romney endorses Obama?
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:13 PM
Sep 2012

I know its highly unlikely but I like to think of all the possibilities. Would this sway Republicans?

renie408

(9,854 posts)
48. Look, I guess it could happen, but the man cannot speak in complete sentences in public
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:35 PM
Sep 2012

I really think Obama is going to be OK.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
49. he would receive no votes whatsoever.
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:40 PM
Sep 2012

Republicans would be offended by his intellect, and everybody else would understand what he wanted to do so clearly that they would be horrified.

The handful of rich people and those who think they are going to win the lottery and get rich who still vote for him will be statistically insignificant.

That's only if he does what you said in your hypothetical of course.

If he stays vague and lays on the platitudes, he'll get 40% of the vote. All the GOP voter restrictions and chicanery on vote counting will put him within in a few points of winning, but his real unpopularity will make it too dangerous to try to steal the election.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
50. And if a frog had longer legs he wouldn't bump his butt
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 03:42 PM
Sep 2012

It ain't gonna' happen, robme doesn't have in it in him to debate the President no matter how skewed the questions might be. IMO

Retrograde

(10,158 posts)
52. I'm still not voting for him
Sun Sep 16, 2012, 04:24 PM
Sep 2012

Simply on the basis of his foreign policy advisers, a bunch of warmed-over GWB chickenhawks.

Is there really anybody left who's undecided about the presidential election? And are they really likely to watch the debates?

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