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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat if Romney provides all kinds of details and does a great job during the debates?
I was thinking about this scenario....he comes out and refuses to debate Obama and instead lays out his economic and foreign policy plans in detail and actually seems to have his shit together. Is it even conceivable he's been waiting for the debates to do this since he hasn't provided anything of substance thus far?
I know its highly unlikely but I like to think of all the possibilities. Especially after Romney stated Obama will "say things that aren't true" during the debate and Romney won't address them, will instead talk about what he wants to do. Would this sway undecideds?
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joeybee12
(56,177 posts)I ask, because that's more likely.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)That's why I ask you guys.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)thinks he's so great, he's already convinced himself he will win the debates.
ReasonableToo
(505 posts)Just like the 3rd Gore v. Bush debate. Polling showed that Gore won among those who watched the debate and Bush won among those who did not watch the debate. I still don't know why they polled people who did not watch the debate but it does reveal that biased media coverage (and/or ignorance) is powerful.
Romney already saying Pres. Obama will just lie during debate so they will probably encourage their sheep to NOT watch. Then the propaganda machine will spin just like they did after DNC.
appleannie1
(5,069 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)Twit Romney has been all over the place and back. He can't take a hard question without getting prickly to say the least. He has no center to go to. He has no morality and he has demonstrated this time and time again. Romney isn't going to debate the clowns he debated when he was in the Republican debates. He is debating someone that actually knows what he is talking about. Romney is going to need to wear a couple pairs of Magic Depends for the debates.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)One thing is for sure; his contempt for Obama will show, and I doubt he'll be able to remain calm when Obama schools him.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)that taught him that Black people are inferior as a matter of religious doctrine.
Hard to shake that early-life religious indoctrination.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Romney has always been in charge; he likes to fire people. On that stage with Obama, he won't be in charge, Obama is the President and will make that clear. Might be a huge mindfuck for Romney and he may lose it.
Ikonoklast
(23,973 posts)react in a predictably cowardly and craven manner but instead end up kicking your stupid ass all over the map from the gates of Stalingrad back into your own backyard, it's a really bad way to find out you aren't all that superior, after all.
The learning curve as to just how wrong you were in underestimating the competency of your opponent ends up trending toward the vertical.
Mitt doesn't actually strike me as being all that smart; being lucky in life takes no real intelligence.
Gman
(24,780 posts)if you want to cover all the possibilities. Both scenarios are just as likely.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)in my humble opinion, than Mitt Romney winning a debate against Barack Obama. It's like saying that an unstoppable force would be quelled by an incredibly movable and destructible object.
fugop
(1,828 posts)Wait. Ok, so ... what if Romney provides details and ... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sorry, but I just can't see it.
And trot out the 'job creators' line.... and that destroying our industrial base and robbing pension plans is good for the economy - and the middle class is $250,000....
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
Sorry, couldn't help myself. To quote Bugs, "What a maroon." - Which what RMoney finds himself when trying to talk to Americans.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)he will have said the exact opposite at some point. They don't call him Mutiple Choice Mitt for nothing.
ohheckyeah
(9,314 posts)as me farting rainbows and pink fairies.
spanone
(135,880 posts)Avalux
(35,015 posts)I think he'll spend the remaining hour and fifty-nine minute smirking and trying to come up with spontaneous and clever one-liners that fail miserably.
thelordofhell
(4,569 posts)Shitt Onmey isn't going to answer a single question directly. He's going to clumsily attack President Obama with outrageous lies and the "liberal" media will call him a tough cookie and say that President Obama was on defense throughout the debate.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)although I think he'd overplay it and come across as awkward and bumbling. That sort of strategy takes a level of skill Romney doesn't have.
Life Long Dem
(8,582 posts)still_one
(92,409 posts)drm604
(16,230 posts)That's about as likely.
Tom Rinaldo
(22,913 posts)The details are toxic to his campaign when known, that's his problem. That leaves him with lying or evading details as his options.Evasion hasn't worked. Obama has to be prepared to nail him on lies. But even if Obama doesn't nail Romney on every lie, much of the media is on to his game by now - and lies will backfire.
mazzarro
(3,450 posts)Eh - eh, will it also include his off-shore accounts in the Cayman Islands and Switzerland?
Orangepeel
(13,933 posts)It makes sense to me:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/no-details-forthcoming/
Hmm. So even on the right, people are complaining that Romney isnt providing enough details about his plans. And Ive spoken to journalists who are sure that Romney will be forced to say more before Election Day.
No he wont. He might lose for lack of detail, but no detail will be provided, for a very simple reason: his proposals dont add up. He literally cant do what he says he would do, namely cut tax rates on the rich without raising the tax burden on the middle class or making the deficit surge; nor can he propose spending cuts as large as he claims without cutting deeply into programs people depend on.
Another way of saying this, of course, is that his alleged budget plan is actually a fraud.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)He doesn't give any details because he knows no one will like what he'd do and will not vote for him. Rmoney basically said it himself when he said he had to get to 50.1% of the vote and if he said what he'd do he wouldn't.
And when you look back in history, he will cut taxes and spend more money without paying for any of it.
valerief
(53,235 posts)No fear of Rmoney doing well. He's dumb as a stump.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,858 posts)in which he thinks he has it nailed down. I truly believe he has convinced himself that he has no obligation to explain much of anything because he is entitled to the presidency and therefore shouldn't have to answer questions asked by the little people.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)I'm sure Obama is completely ready to debunk his entire BS platform.
Spazito
(50,477 posts)Just as he said he will not provide his tax return because that will give "More things to pick through, more things for their opposition research... ", the same applies to details about anything else Romney has said. Details means fact checking which results in him being shown to either be a liar, incapable of simple arithmetic or, most likely, both, imo.
DearAbby
(12,461 posts)maybe people will forget about those pesky debates?
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)1. his tax returns from 2001-2010.
2. the exact 'loopholes' he intends to close to offset the astoundingly huge tax cut for billionaires he is proposing.
nanabugg
(2,198 posts)K8-EEE
(15,667 posts)He's boxed himself into a corner on virtually every singe issue.....this is why he HAS to do the Vague-y Mc.Vague schtick unfortunately everyone is on to it....if it weren't for racism he wouldn't even be a tiny bit close.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Though that would be a pleasure to see
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)well, maybe possible.
I would imagine that the Prez O team is considering all angles of Mittens...stupid, smart, angry, calm...blah, blah, blah. I have yet to see Mittens where he is not all "twitchy".
AND, remember, they just applied to have Queen Anne, on stage, next to him, DURING the debates!!!!!!! What's up with that shit?!?
Until, the polls are closed and a winner is declared (President Obama, that is), NO Dem, Lib, Progressive can take let up for one SECOND.
Focus...Focus...Focus!
MFM008
(19,820 posts)Who remembers the GOP debates with Flipper fuming, turning red and yelling for Anderson Cooper because someone was talking over him....I expect O will be subtle and try and bring out the best in Rmoney.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)You make no sense. Please check your title against your text.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)we obviously have a sleeptyper and like sleepwalkers they shouldn't be woken suddenly!
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)The odds are better that Romney will start to feel ill, barf all over the podium on national television and have to be removed from the stage all hunched over.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Then get started sprinkling it on the ground where hell froze over.
The reason that Romney hasn't offered specifics is that he can't. If he talks about specifics those can be fact checked. He won't say which tax deductions would be eliminated because he'd have to admit that his plan would only increase the deficit or he'd have to eliminate popular tax deductions. Thus he refuses to state which deductions would be eliminated and just says that some will.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)I know its highly unlikely but I like to think of all the possibilities. Would this sway Republicans?
malaise
(269,172 posts)renie408
(9,854 posts)I really think Obama is going to be OK.
yurbud
(39,405 posts)Republicans would be offended by his intellect, and everybody else would understand what he wanted to do so clearly that they would be horrified.
The handful of rich people and those who think they are going to win the lottery and get rich who still vote for him will be statistically insignificant.
That's only if he does what you said in your hypothetical of course.
If he stays vague and lays on the platitudes, he'll get 40% of the vote. All the GOP voter restrictions and chicanery on vote counting will put him within in a few points of winning, but his real unpopularity will make it too dangerous to try to steal the election.
madokie
(51,076 posts)It ain't gonna' happen, robme doesn't have in it in him to debate the President no matter how skewed the questions might be. IMO
Retrograde
(10,158 posts)Simply on the basis of his foreign policy advisers, a bunch of warmed-over GWB chickenhawks.
Is there really anybody left who's undecided about the presidential election? And are they really likely to watch the debates?