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A former top Justice Department official told Yahoo News she is deeply worried that President Trump could delegitimize a lawful election this November and not cede power.
Vanita Gupta ran the civil rights division at the Department of Justice from 2014 to 2017 and is now part of an informal, bipartisan group that has spent the past year preparing for Trump to potentially contest the results of the election. She argued the presidents attacks on vote-by-mail programs signal that he intends to say the election was unfair and should not be considered legitimate if he loses.
He's already talking about how this will be a rigged election and saying if more and more people are voting using these so called mail-in ballots, that the election will be rigged, Gupta told Yahoo News Skullduggery podcast. This is out of a playbook.
Gupta said she believes that while some people might consider her fears a cuckoo crazy conspiracy theory, she says the group she is working with anticipated Trumps attacks on vote-by-mail programs. She sees those attacks as a deliberate attempt to undermine the election well in advance of voters casting ballots.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-top-justice-department-official-warns-trump-may-not-cede-power-010538558.html
Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)Like Hitler, he'll need a lot of help. And there are plenty who will provide it.
Cha
(297,196 posts)to get kicked outta the WH ANYWAY.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)and there's a reason why Republicans block any legislation to improve our election security.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)enough
(13,259 posts)His term ends on January 20, 2021 whether he acknowledges that or not.
Its not his choice, or anyone else's but the voters.
Stuart G
(38,421 posts)then,
Biden will order the military to take him physically out of the White House, and the military will obey President Biden, not Trump. Take that to the Bank ..Trump cannot stay in the White House if he loses.
That is exactly what will happen, and Trump knows it. The military will obey President Joe Biden, and will take Trump out of the White House by force
Trump will look like the total fool he is if he tries that trick. Imagine the scene, Trump being carried out in a chair by force & taken away by military police...
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)If and when Joe Biden is certified by the EC as the winner based on the results of the November 3 Election, Trump ceases to have any power on Inauguration Day in January. There's pretty much no way he can maintain power and I don't think that he has the unswerving loyalty of enough of the Federal Government, Military, or any other national institution to remain in power past his expiration date. If and when he loses, he will yell, scream, and cry and rage-tweet for the next 3 months but if there's no bipartisan agreed-upon reason to challenge the election results and the EC- which is also not in Trump's pocket- says he's the loser, he's gone when the Constitution says he's gone. Sure, we need to remain vigilant and make sure to call out any attempted electoral shenanigans and be watchful after the Election, but he can't pull a 50-state coup.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Its the SCOTUS that I worry about, and thats where the election results are headed if Trump is unhappy with the outcome.
-Laelth
Stuart G
(38,421 posts)Laelth
(32,017 posts)But the SCOTUS can be very unpredictable. Thats the biggest wild card that I see.
-Laelth
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)Your concerns are well-founded based on Bush V. Gore. However, otherwise, it would be hard to see under what circumstances SCOTUS would engage in a wider invalidation of results.
totodeinhere
(13,058 posts)I think it is far from certain that he will see any jail time. Has GWB seen any jail time for his war crimes?
Jeebo
(2,023 posts)Somebody asked him if he would accept the results of the election. He said, "I will if I win!" He said that with a shit-eating grin on his ugly orange face.
If we vote that con man out of office in November and he refuses to leave, I think that will be a GOOD problem for us to have, because I'm sure he won't be able to get away with it. It's a problem I wish we'd had in November 2016.
-- Ron
Ohioboy
(3,240 posts)Having him dragged kicking and screaming from the White House would put a history making final touch on his legacy as a failure.
Lock him up.
(6,928 posts)And he won't be pRez on January 20, 2021 at noon exactly.
He could do a good thing before that and resign, but...
Link to tweet
... since he's scared sh!tless of not having treasonous baRr as a convenient (un-Constitutional) shield...
Ohioboy
(3,240 posts)No telling what the most corrupt president in history will do if he has to pretend he's a winner this time around.
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)People will not support Trump's delusional claims, especially if it is a blowout.
Stuart G
(38,421 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)based on that alone. However, I'm not resting easy until all of the votes are in.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Unless Biden wins overwhelmingly, the November 2020 election is probably headed to the Supreme Court.
-Laelth
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)Hopefully, it will be more on the order of an irrefutable blowout, especially if we manage to hold the House and take the Senate. Odds are, Biden could potentially pick off some unexpected red Trump state like maybe Arizona. I also feel a lot better this year about our odds in states like Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, which Hillary only narrowly lost due to a rare confluence of events that are unlikely to repeat this year.
but I think roberts will side with dems on this one.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)No sane person, not even a sane Republican, wants four more years of THIS.
-Laelth
Blue Owl
(50,356 posts)n/t
Stuart G
(38,421 posts)It will be so big a margin, that he will not be able to claim anything. (maybe a get out of jail card,.... but not for free)...I don't think he will be able to claim that.
Lock him up.
(6,928 posts)... it only could be awarded for Federal-Law felonies (let's say if he'd resign on Jan. 20, in the early morning and get Pence to replace him and issue a preemptive Pardon), then the NYAG gets to file State-Law indictments (already waiting on her desk. I bet).
Stuart G
(38,421 posts)NO 2nd ...Get out of Jail Card.. NOT From the NYAG either?
The Trump gang cannot avoid New York State Laws.. ....OH?? Who is that NY Governor Again?..would he work with the Atty General?..just asking..
Lock him up.
(6,928 posts)Letitia Ann "Tish" James is an American lawyer, activist, and politician.
She is a member of the Democratic Party, and is the Attorney General of New York having won the 2018 election.
I'm not ruling out a SDNY charge on RICO grounds too, though (although a FL Pardon would automatically constitute a Guilty plea).
Stuart G
(38,421 posts)Great News...Thank You...K and R your post...
Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Of COURSE, he will do whatever he wants.
Stuart G
(38,421 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)procedure