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Sun May 31, 2020, 04:44 PM

Please, PLEASE read this about the Mpls. protests - from Minnesota Public Radio!

I've seen too much misunderstanding and off-the-wall speculation about the whole "outside agitator" stuff in Minneapolis and St. Paul going around DU, that I really hope DUers will take the time to read this piece.

As a Minnesota resident who has been continuously glued to all the local TV coverage since Friday, as well as monitoring local Twitter feeds directly from the communities involved, this article is the most accurate accounting of the "outside agitator" phenomenon that I've come across, so far:

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/05/30/outsiders-extremists-are-among-those-fomenting-violence-in-twin-cities
The killing of George Floyd
Outsiders, extremists are among those fomenting violence in Twin Cities
Jon Collins and Elizabeth Shockman
May 30, 2020 3:17 p.m.
Updated: 8:34 a.m., May 31, 2020

On his way home from a protest Friday night in Minneapolis, Jonathan Turner Bargen encountered a white man in a red pickup truck. The man was carrying an assault rifle and a handgun, Turner Bargen said. Then he noticed a symbol from the far-right militia group Three Percenters affixed to the truck.

“I circled back and took pictures of the vehicle. I was concerned about why they were present at the downtown protest, and had no idea who to notify,” said Turner Bargen in an email to MPR News.

<snip>

Accounts of armed men

Protesters and onlookers have posted numerous videos and accounts of confrontations with white men on social media, sometimes including symbols associated with fringe groups that originated online.

Many people have also told MPR News reporters of witnessing armed men in Minneapolis.

Bridget Schumann was out for a run near Calhoun Square in south Minneapolis on Friday night when she saw a truck that was being driven aggressively, honking and intimidating other drivers. The truck had a big white sticker on the back of the cab with the OK sign symbol associated with white supremacists.

“There were two men in the driver and passenger seat and they were wearing camo bulletproof vests and they were armed,” she said.

<snip>

In the predawn hours of Friday, KJ Starr watched from her yard in the Seward neighborhood, which has been especially hard hit by arson, as nearby buildings were consumed by balls of fire and billowing smoke.

With police and firefighters nowhere in sight, Starr and friends have been trying to fight fires themselves. When a nearby pizza shop went up in flames, she and some friends walked over to see what they could do. She was terrified by what she saw.

“This pickup truck of a dozen armed men just pulls up next to us,” she said. “I just did a total pivot.”

Arson at a liquor store

Minneapolis resident Rishi Ragoonanan woke up early for work on Friday morning, and saw a man who appeared to be white walk up to boxes of cardboard in the middle of a liquor store parking lot. The man lit the boxes, pushed them up against the wall of the store, and walked away.

Ragoonanan and neighbors ran outside and dragged the flaming boxes away from the wall. The liquor store was set on fire again the next night.

“None of us got any sleep for the last four days, trying to save this liquor store,” Ragoonanan said. “If this liquor catches fire, this whole neighborhood will burn down.”

Many people say they are leery of confronting those they suspect of contributing to the violence.

<snip>

‘They’re setting these fires’

People attending protests against police brutality have had run-ins as well.

DeVario Bogenholm, a 23-year-old who’s lived in Minneapolis for most of his life, blames outsiders, who are mostly white, for turning peaceful protests violent Friday night. He turned to Facebook to post a video of him and a friend confronting a group of young, white men who were smashing out storefront windows.

“Who’s destroying these buildings? These white dudes and we’re stopping them,” his friend, Noah Saba, said to the camera, then waved the phone to show footage of a group of white men on bicycles in front of a group of vandalized and burning buildings, “They’re setting these fires.”

...Bogenholm said the video doesn’t fully capture the mob, with people of color largely at the back of the crowd and young white men initiating the damage to buildings.

<snip>

Hundreds of buildings across the Twin Cities have been damaged in the riots. A native youth cultural center, neighborhood bars and a building full of artist studios (my bold) are among the structures that have been set on fire.

Minneapolis City Council member Jeremiah Ellison spent Friday night driving around his ward to ensure people stayed safe. He said property destruction at protests, which he doesn’t support, normally is focused on symbols of power like police cars.

“When you see no protest, there’s no mob sweeping through the north side, yet you see these fires popping up the main business corridor, that’s the thing that rang odd to me,” Ellison said. “Burning down small black- and immigrant-owned businesses, that doesn’t seem in lockstep with the tone of the protests.”

<snip>

Alexia Kelsey went out to the protest site Friday to help clean. She said the hair on the back of her neck rose after she saw a vehicle carrying two armed white men that had a bumper sticker associated with neo-Nazis.

“As a white ally, it’s even more important to support the black community and provide a unified front,” Kelsey said. “It’s tough because it seems like they’re using the opportunity of the cover of night to really ignite the violence.”

<snip>

“This is no longer about protesting,” said {Minneapolis Mayor, Jacob} Frey. “This is no longer about verbal expression. This is about violence, and we need to make sure that it stops.”

{St. Paul Mayor, Melvin} Carter said that the outside agitators are using peaceful protesters as a “human shield,” committing acts of destruction and violence and then melting back into the crowd.

{Minnesota Governor, Tim} Walz urged Minnesotans to abide by curfews.

“If you’re out after 8 o’clock, you are aiding and abetting them and you are giving them the cover that they want,” Walz said.


Please go to the link to read the whole article! Thank you.

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scarletwoman May 31 OP
Jamastiene May 31 #1
scarletwoman May 31 #3
Jamastiene May 31 #9
scarletwoman May 31 #13
AllyCat May 31 #43
warmfeet May 31 #48
Generic Other May 31 #2
scarletwoman May 31 #5
Generic Other May 31 #11
KT2000 May 31 #17
scarletwoman May 31 #19
Generic Other May 31 #51
Walleye May 31 #16
Mercurian May 31 #27
wnylib May 31 #30
cayugafalls May 31 #31
Kaiserguy May 31 #49
SharonClark May 31 #4
scarletwoman May 31 #12
tblue37 May 31 #18
scarletwoman May 31 #20
MuchBetterThanThis May 31 #26
intheflow May 31 #53
Karadeniz May 31 #6
The Velveteen Ocelot May 31 #7
scarletwoman May 31 #21
The Velveteen Ocelot May 31 #22
scarletwoman May 31 #23
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randr May 31 #10
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scarletwoman May 31 #15
ancianita May 31 #24
scarletwoman May 31 #25
JustFiveMoreMinutes May 31 #32
ancianita May 31 #38
cayugafalls May 31 #34
ancianita May 31 #39
cayugafalls May 31 #42
ancianita May 31 #46
SunSeeker May 31 #28
cayugafalls May 31 #33
ancianita May 31 #40
cayugafalls May 31 #45
ancianita May 31 #47
Alex4Martinez May 31 #41
BamaRefugee May 31 #29
BadgerMom May 31 #35
scarletwoman May 31 #36
llmart May 31 #37
Hermit-The-Prog May 31 #44
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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:47 PM

1. So, we are terrorists now, ya know.

Trump just made it so anyone who is "antifa," which means anti-fascism, which was what America was in WWII, is a terrorist. That means either march in lockstep with the Nazis and the KKK or you are a terrorist and not an American any more and you have no rights. Remember Gitmo?

So, the right wing racist groups are angels and we are all terrorists now. That's basically the new normal. I get it.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #1)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:49 PM

3. Trump can go take a flying leap. (nt)

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #3)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:52 PM

9. What do you do when you are not welcome in your own country any more,

simply for being against racist lynchings of black people and anti-fascism?

This is fucked. Watch Europe. This is going to be hideous. We have GOT to get rid of that fucker in November.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #9)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:58 PM

13. It's been fucked for over 400 years.

And yes, We have GOT to get rid of that fucker in November.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #13)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:09 PM

43. Yes this.

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Response to Jamastiene (Reply #1)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:27 PM

48. We are terrorists just as

the founders of this country were terrorists. I have no problem with that. I am against fascism - always will be. I am against authoritarianism - always will be.

I am for life - always will be!

Antifa is being used as a scape goat, as I am sure everyone here knows.

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:49 PM

2. Strong evidence that orders came from the top

Trump's "vicious dogs..."

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #2)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:51 PM

5. Sorry, but I think that's conspiracy theory nonsense.

These white armed right wingers don't need 'orders from the top', they are self-motivated.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #5)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:55 PM

11. I guess I meant they were encouraged from the top

Instigated by Trump. Not a conspiracy theory. I heard him encourage MAGAs and others.

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Response to Generic Other (Reply #11)

Sun May 31, 2020, 05:17 PM

17. I heard it too

He told them to show up.

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #17)

Sun May 31, 2020, 05:26 PM

19. This was AFTER the destructive shit had already gone on for 2 nights.

I don't the timeline of his tweets relative to the Mpls. protests matches up.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #19)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:35 PM

51. This is an interesting post on Twitter

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #5)

Sun May 31, 2020, 05:16 PM

16. Remember Michael Cohen, trump doesn't give orders, he speaks in code

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #5)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:14 PM

27. Agreed

It's a wag the dog situation. The Beer-belly Brigades are causing random destruction, hoping the protestors will be blamed. Their goal is that Dear Leader will use the chaos they've created as an excuse to give them the race war they crave.

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Response to Mercurian (Reply #27)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:33 PM

30. Exactly! You nailed it.

That is what the TW agitation.is all about.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #5)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:35 PM

31. So saying MAGANIGHT was just coincidence? Perhaps, but it was a LOUD signal.

Things got really out of hand after he tweeted that phrase. It seriously escalated all over the country.

Cops in New York on video throwing the hand sign, lots more out of state vehicles and white supremacists causing trouble.

The left has been demonized and discredited. We are now labeled as terrorists. I guarantee Talk Radio will be all over that talking point Monday and calling for the arrest of anyone who is Anti fascist or protesting this government.

God save the Republic.

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #31)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:29 PM

49. What Trump wants is a good excuse

to declare marital law. He think that by doing that he can postpone the election and make himself dictator for life.

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:50 PM

4. I would expect to see many phone videos showing this.

Not just word of mouth.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #4)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:55 PM

12. I embedded one phone link in my OP, but didn't want to take the time to chase down more.

People have been sending their phone videos to MPR or posting to Facebook and Twitter.

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Response to SharonClark (Reply #4)

Sun May 31, 2020, 05:21 PM

18. I've seen four phone videos of white guys destroying while black people try to stop them.

One is the guy with the gas mask and umbrella and the black person in a pink shirt chasing him away and following him. One is a group of white guys breaking windows while a black woman yells at them to stop. One is a group of white guys starting to break windows, but a group of black protesters chase them away. One is a group of white guys vandalizing cars in a parking lot.

If I have already seen 4 such videos, I bet there are more that I haven't seen.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #18)

Sun May 31, 2020, 05:32 PM

20. Thank you! My ancient laptop won't play Twitter videos, so - although I can see they exist,

I can't play them, unfortunately.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #18)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:10 PM

26. Why Haven't These Videos been on National Media?

I saw the guy with the umbrella on here and it seemed to be a hot topic. But nobodys following up it seems.. Was it debunked?

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Response to MuchBetterThanThis (Reply #26)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:52 PM

53. I think it's a combo of complicit media outlets,

too much happening at once, and a endlessly awful desire of white people wanting to deflect blame/ignore the serial killers in their own home.

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:51 PM

6. Thanks for posting...info has been hazy.

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:51 PM

7. I've seen a few similar reports on my Nextdoor news feed.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #7)

Sun May 31, 2020, 05:34 PM

21. Thank you! I'm up in Sandstone, MN, so I'm definitely removed from the action.

I know you're closer in.

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Response to scarletwoman (Reply #21)

Sun May 31, 2020, 05:48 PM

22. Aww, you're missing all the fun!



"May you live in interesting times," they said. Could I please be bored for a change?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #22)

Sun May 31, 2020, 05:54 PM

23. I know, I know.

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:51 PM

8. A lot of RW playing at helter-skelter

Like Manson, they want to tip us into civil war.

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 04:55 PM

10. Without video of incidents nothing will happen

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Response to randr (Reply #10)

Sun May 31, 2020, 05:01 PM

14. Lots of videos showing black clad white men smashing windows

Often with black bystanders yelling at them to stop.

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Response to randr (Reply #10)

Sun May 31, 2020, 05:04 PM

15. There are videos but they're kind of scattered around in Twitter & Facebook.

I would also mention that from this morning's MN Governor press conference, the authorities are well aware of the armed instigators.

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:06 PM

24. This isn't about Americans protesting anymore. It's about insurgents hijacking America's narrative

and expecting media to amplify it.

Good post from MN Public Radio. Thank you!

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Response to ancianita (Reply #24)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:08 PM

25. Well said!

You're welcome!

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Response to ancianita (Reply #24)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:38 PM

32. Spot on! 4chan and Deep Web.... the Insurgents have to be cheering and coordinating...

I don't know about either of them... I'm fine with the info I get and have no clandestine activities that I need to hide......

Does Homeland Security, CIA, FBI, your neighbor kid down the street have means to infiltrate and decipher anything related to the insurgency?

(If not, wow... )

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Response to JustFiveMoreMinutes (Reply #32)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:01 PM

38. I know someone who can do all that. But he says they're a bunch of losers.

Doesn't mean he doesn't keep an eye on them. Reddit's forums are easily accessible. But who'd want to enter the wild west of the dark net but techies, right?

Hate doesn't confer authority or legitimacy on the right. It's something they've never figured out, since they can bullshit so many people whose bodies got bigger but never grew up.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #24)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:45 PM

34. That is exactly right. But Trump has also been hijacking America's narrative for 3.5 years.

He has emboldened and given the far right nationalist movement the cover they needed. He has called them good people and dog whistled almost daily.

Trump has turned off the light and allowed the cockroaches to come out and destroy and wreak havoc.

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #34)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:03 PM

39. Not hijacking. TRYING to hijack. We can see how that's been working out.

The majority of Americans are polling negatively on all things Trump, that's how well he hijacks. Right?

WE run the lights up in here! Do not believe the doubt machine hype.

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Response to ancianita (Reply #39)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:09 PM

42. I'll try. I am just so worried.

And afraid. I live with in Trump central and see it everyday. I have a mixed marriage and have experienced the fear and racism first hand. Having to flee in our car because racist chasing us in their pickup truck. Held my son's hand when he cries after being bullied and tormented.

We don't run the lights where I live...

I'll try and do better. Thank you.

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #42)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:16 PM

46. It's good to be afraid. It's smart to be vigilant. You save democracy that way.

What? You do better every single time you're here.

We're getting on top of this and having influence on governors and mayors. I hear you about the darkness all around. I'm in Trump central, too. But we've got the convenient covid excuse to mentally distance from each other until they can learn coherent, fact-based sentence construction.

Stay safe!

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:19 PM

28. Why did cops let the looting and burning happen?

They should have been there marching WITH the protesters. This destruction would have never happened if they had done that.

This is how you do it:

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/05/31/genesee-county-sheriff-christopher-swanson-george-floyd-protesters/5299589002/

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #28)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:40 PM

33. For two whole nights they were virtually non-existent.

They let it all happen.

It is a very good question. Why stand down for two days? Why let it all burn down before doing anything?

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #33)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:04 PM

40. Every mayor and police chief should be surveyed on these questions. We can get to the bottom of this

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Response to ancianita (Reply #40)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:11 PM

45. I admire your optimism.

I will try and do better.

Thank you.

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Response to cayugafalls (Reply #45)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:19 PM

47. It's doing that alleviates fear. Journalists, the FBI, and other orgs can data collect. It's doable.

We can map the models, attitudes of police chiefs and their plans, to see what's worked.

It's a big country with a lot of unpredictable dynamics, but even that is instructive.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #28)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:09 PM

41. Thanks for posting this.

I saw it earlier, I know it's not representative of many community police forces but it represents what every force SHOULD be.

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:25 PM

29. Media not showing these white guys, you gotta go on Twitter to see the truth. Plenty there.

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:49 PM

35. When we take back this country from these hateful people,

I hope every domestic terrorist group-every right wing, anti-government, white supremacist group-is identified and tracked by a revived DOJ. No whining from the hate-filled, greedy, ineffective group of traitors called the Republicans. I have NO fucks left to give.

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Response to BadgerMom (Reply #35)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:51 PM

36. Amen to that! (nt)

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Response to BadgerMom (Reply #35)

Sun May 31, 2020, 06:58 PM

37. +1

Very well said!

The Democrats are going to have a lot of repairing of the damage the GOP has done to this country.

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Response to BadgerMom (Reply #35)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:11 PM

44. We have to rebuild the DoJ; it's now Dirty Billy Barr's Dirt Services.

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:33 PM

50. one possibility

The police are the ones committing the arson and property damage. The well situated network of first amendment auditors (people with good cameras who record the police) have positively identified at least one such police officer. Outside agitators have also been recorded doing the damage, while well armed. The peaceful protestors get the blame, while news reporters get gassed, sprayed, and arrested. This all seems a prelude to martial law.

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 07:40 PM

52. Bookmarking- MPR News piece

Thanks

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 08:51 PM

54. THANK YOU!!

The information we are getting is so garbled at this point. I am not buying Donny and Billy's "Antifa" line, but that appears to be what M$M is pushing big time.

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 08:58 PM

55. The pro-Trump KKK at work

n/t

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Response to scarletwoman (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2020, 09:32 PM

56. Thanks for posting this, scarletwoman. Keeping it kicked!

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