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kentuck

(111,243 posts)
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:20 PM May 2020

I do not personally support the violence, the looting, or the burning of private property.

I do not support those that resort to those tactics.

Anarchy is not the solution. Fear is not an acceptable method of protest, in my opinion.

This is just my own personal opinion. Perhaps there are some that agree with the more violent methods of protests? I believe they are counter-productive. They lose the support of the people in a very short time. Even if protesting murder, it is not acceptable.

Any group that engages in these tactics does not have my support. For what it's worth.

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I do not personally support the violence, the looting, or the burning of private property. (Original Post) kentuck May 2020 OP
So you're against the police, is what you're saying. WhiskeyGrinder May 2020 #1
Especially the police. kentuck May 2020 #10
Trevor Noah's take on it: Lars39 May 2020 #2
This is great. Delphinus May 2020 #22
He grew up in Apartheid Africa iirc Lars39 May 2020 #23
A better example of his point is Mohammad Bouazazi (sp?) the Tunisian merchant grantcart May 2020 #26
Smoke and mirrors. Act_of_Reparation May 2020 #3
so because a cop does that Skittles May 2020 #6
The correct answer could very well be "no", but why are cops doing that in the first place again? ck4829 May 2020 #8
Pro-tip Act_of_Reparation May 2020 #9
the people excusing arson Skittles May 2020 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles May 2020 #4
This unrest metastisized beyond identity politics days ago. Thomas Hurt May 2020 #5
I disagree, I support the looting ck4829 May 2020 #7
I can see why they do it, too. SharonClark May 2020 #11
And we can wag our fingers at it until the cows come home ck4829 May 2020 #15
How would you actively go of your way to stop it if you wanted to? LisaL May 2020 #13
Not going Rambo, that's for sure ck4829 May 2020 #17
In 1968 the economy was booming. Great legislation for women's rights, Medicare, empedocles May 2020 #16
The scene at the Footlocker was not a particularly proud moment BannonsLiver May 2020 #12
I don't think anyone supports the looting, burning or violence. Frustratedlady May 2020 #14
see post 7 Skittles May 2020 #19
Always the exception. Can't win them all, I guess. n/t Frustratedlady May 2020 #20
Well yeah !! They should all take a knee during a football game or something that'll get attention. uponit7771 May 2020 #21
Agree Meowmee May 2020 #24
I agree with you 100%. But having said that, I don't know what option is left... SKKY May 2020 #25
Neither do I but more to the point, from everything I have heard about him, grantcart May 2020 #27
The reporter in LA County was saying how the looters were prepared today, laying in wait in alleys diva77 May 2020 #28

kentuck

(111,243 posts)
10. Especially the police.
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:39 PM
May 2020

But I am not as young or passionate as I once was...

I believe the police should be held accountable. I remember the Black Panthers. They had similar tactics. However, it is important not to lose the support of the masses, in my opinion.

Also, I am not sure of the intentions of some of the protestors. I am not so sure they agree with my sentiments or the sentiments of many Democrats.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
26. A better example of his point is Mohammad Bouazazi (sp?) the Tunisian merchant
Sun May 31, 2020, 08:56 PM
May 2020

Who set himself on fire and awakened a whole region.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
3. Smoke and mirrors.
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:25 PM
May 2020

While we're "debating" positions no reasonable person actually holds, the cops are stepping on someone else's neck.

ck4829

(35,129 posts)
8. The correct answer could very well be "no", but why are cops doing that in the first place again?
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:38 PM
May 2020

The first part of your question does not exist purely in the realm of the hypothetical, but it exists in the real, and it SHOULDN'T.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
9. Pro-tip
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:39 PM
May 2020

One of those "positions no reasonable person actually holds" I mentioned is "it's fine for someone to commit arson."

It is not fine for someone to commit arson. Nobody actually thinks it is fine for someone to commit arson. The trouble with wringing our hands over it, however, is twofold: 1) when adjacent to murder, arson is objectively the lesser crime, and 2) said arson is a predictable reaction to a breakdown in social order caused by police tossing public trust into the fucking toilet.

Arson is a symptom, not the disease. You want to stop the fires, then fix the fucking police.

Skittles

(153,918 posts)
18. the people excusing arson
Sun May 31, 2020, 08:09 PM
May 2020

would sing a different tune if it was THEIR house or workplace being targeted.....firefighters should NOT have to risk their lives over someone's anger - PERIOD

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
5. This unrest metastisized beyond identity politics days ago.
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:31 PM
May 2020

This is now a tribal free for all of political ideologies and supposed "movements". This includes the cop tribe and anarchists and the social minded liberals and progressives and the christofascists and POC.

People are pissed about way more than Floyd's murder and Trump has never had a handle on this.

In his usual incompetent manner he is just screaming at his "subjects" to obey him through tweets and blaming others for his failure.

Whether you are on the right or the left or middle trying to find a political boogeyman to pin this on is largely a waste of time.

ck4829

(35,129 posts)
7. I disagree, I support the looting
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:35 PM
May 2020

Well, not *really*. I would discourage it but I'm not going to actively go out of my way to stop it.

I can see why they do it.

As long as police are trained and equipped more to fight an invading military rather than serve and protect the neighborhoods of black Americans and as long as black Americans are politically and socially disenfranchised to the degree they are, we will have problems like this.

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
11. I can see why they do it, too.
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:43 PM
May 2020

Some people gather to protest injustice and police brutality and other people go for the shoes and electronics.
They are not the same.

ck4829

(35,129 posts)
15. And we can wag our fingers at it until the cows come home
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:50 PM
May 2020

There are inequalities in America.

Either way, they're going to be addressed.

empedocles

(15,751 posts)
16. In 1968 the economy was booming. Great legislation for women's rights, Medicare,
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:52 PM
May 2020

Medicaid, etc., etc., were passed. Economic opportunity was real.

There were, of course, many very legitimate complaints.

However, there were 'riots', etc., and 'the Center' was lost.

Awful and unpopular Nixon was elected. The'cons won the WH for 20 of the next 24 years. [Carter won in '76 by default, of Watergate a crashing economy, and inflation, but could not undo the damage, especially of the gold window thing]. Far right, known to be mentally incompetent reagan won in '80. Only in '92, was Clinton, a weak bush economy, and 24% of the popular vote Perot, enabled to win.

Moral of the story, 'riots' however righteous, are disastrous.

BannonsLiver

(16,676 posts)
12. The scene at the Footlocker was not a particularly proud moment
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:47 PM
May 2020

I could care less about Footlocker’s inventory, but the imagery will undoubtedly find itself in lots of nasty race baiting GOP ads in the very near future.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
14. I don't think anyone supports the looting, burning or violence.
Sun May 31, 2020, 07:50 PM
May 2020

However, I understand the protests.

I think the outside influence, including from the White House, are the ones that we should have been focused on from the get-go. Now, it is out of control.

We are in a dangerous situation for a variety of reasons, including the pandemic. All that has spilled out of that (stress, job loss, lives lost, money lost, minds lost), and the uncertainty of the future caused people to explode once the Floyd video came out. It was the final straw.

If we'd had a leader that was reasonable, even if he had been a Republican, maybe this situation wouldn't be so dire. I'm elderly and have never seen a situation America couldn't work its way out of, but this is a whole `nother story.


Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
24. Agree
Sun May 31, 2020, 08:44 PM
May 2020

I don’t support any of it. There shouldn’t be any live demonstrations now due to covid. Nothing good will come of this. I hope it all stops asap.

SKKY

(11,901 posts)
25. I agree with you 100%. But having said that, I don't know what option is left...
Sun May 31, 2020, 08:52 PM
May 2020

...when emotions are running high like they are. You hope cooler head prevail, but how much is too much? My sense is that we've just found out how much is too much.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
27. Neither do I but more to the point, from everything I have heard about him,
Sun May 31, 2020, 08:58 PM
May 2020

Neither would Mr. Floyd.

diva77

(7,755 posts)
28. The reporter in LA County was saying how the looters were prepared today, laying in wait in alleys
Sun May 31, 2020, 09:11 PM
May 2020

behind stores with break-in tools, black attire & hoodies and smoke bombs to obscure their identity if a camera was nearby. Their numbers are up too. They were organized and started after peaceful protests were well in motion.

I do not support the looting and violence in any way shape or form. Mom and Pop businesses suffering from covid lockdown were completely obliterated today.

I just hope we don't end up with some private military mercenary intervention

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