Is this the start of a Civil War?

[cilla4progress]

Anyone?

[vrguy]

1. Yes.

N/t

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. No.

Anybody remember the '60s?

[bdamomma]

21. History

repeating itself, but it does not help having a imbecile hiding out in a bunker and a deadly pandemic.

I read earlier from another DU poster that Bannon and Miller are probably happy about the events.

[JI7]

3. no

[NRaleighLiberal]

4. my view is that a cold civil war has been brewing for some time.

It is certainly heating up in a hurry. trump seems to want to be both the kerosene and the match.

[coti]

5. No nt

[drray23]

6. Not really.

We had mass demonstrations before, some of them turning violent for decades now. After Rodney King got murdered, entire neighborhoods were looted in LA.

The fact thus keeps happening means we have not made any progress when it comes to the way minorities are treated by the police.

[xmas74]

29. Rodney King wasn't murdered. Nt

[icymist]

7. This is 1968 all over again.

Except for the difference is we didn't have a president encouraging the violence and expressing conspiracy theories.

[ornotna]

8. No n/t

[Loki Liesmith]

9. No.

It’ll be over in a few days. Until the next time.

[BigMin28]

24. Or until Chauvin is acquitted

nt

[Loki Liesmith]

27. That may be the "next time"

[Voltaire2]

10. No. That started when those Bundy Nazis

stood down federal marshals in Texas. The fascists are already at war with us. We are just starting to figure that out.

[Ahpook]

30. Still blown away by that whole thing

I think one of them got shot down, but by and large they got away with all those shenanigans.

[Voltaire2]

40. One got shot in Oregon.

And the rest were basically let go.

[Amishman]

44. was enforcement wants to get paid and go home safe, not tangle with armed zealots

No sane person wants to get in a fight with someone who believes they are right and righteous.

[Jamastiene]

11. It could be, but instead, I'm thinking it is the start of fascist America, officially.

I mean, if you are anti-fascist, you are now considered a terrorist.

So, civil war? Nah.

Fascist and still very bad, living under that oppression, probably for the rest of our lives, it sure seems that way to me. It seems more like fascism and complete lock down and authoritarian control of every facet of our lives, than civil war to me.

Civil war would mean those of us who are against fascism had rights. Being labeled a terrorist by our own country, our own government takes away all of our rights and freedom. We are literally going to be forced labor and mindless drones for them now. No right to speak our minds. No right to do anything at all that we want. All the while, Trump's white supremacist pricks will have complete control over us and ALL rights and privileges of being Americans in good standing while we are considered the enemy, terrorists.

Think about it. To be labeled as a terrorist because some cop doesn't like our looks or whatever frivolous reason they choose, we could be sent to Gitmo, tortured, you name it. Civil War would almost be easier. At least then, we could be free enough to fight back without being whisked away to some torture chamber with Trump's Nazi/KKK goon worshipers ready to rape and torture us with no right to even call a lawyer, much less ever get out and be free again.

I don't like either option, but between fascism and a chance to fight back, I'd rather have a chance. I don't have much left in my life anyhow, though, and my health is not good. So, I don't know how much of a physical fighter I can be. I can help other ways. I just need to have a buddy system with someone not living in a fucking blood red state so I can see how I might can help the side I want to be on.

I sure despise the thought that I am finally at a point in my life where I am starting over and fascism is going to be the rule of law. I resent that, to be honest. I spent the last 30 years, all of my adult life, as a caregiver for a quadriplegic family member who was a veteran. I resent the thought of living out the rest of my life under fucking Nazis and the KKK doing whatever the fuck they want to me. My family member would be appalled and disgusted beyond words. America is supposed to be anti-fascist. It is supposed to be a free country.

When they get everything in place and start in on their shit in full force, which is what I think they have planned, I might try to fight back anyhow, because fuck fascism.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

12. The country has been in a civil war since day 1.

[PSPS]

13. No, but it is the actions of the nazi right to try to start the one they've been hoping for.

It will fail, of course. Denazification of our society, government and the police will take time.

[customerserviceguy]

14. Perhaps

I expect that when Trump leaves office, he will try to break this nation into bits. I can envision a CSA 2.0 arising that consists of the rural areas of the United States, and there will be cities and their metropolitan areas that are islands within the sea of red.

Trump is much more effective than anyone in American history at dividing people, I expect that he will try to establish a dominant rural-based nation that would have economic power over metropolitan areas that would need to establish alliances with other such areas.

[roamer65]

37. I can see that happening if we don't jail him.

[greenman3610]

15. no

[Music Man]

16. No

It's a polarized time, but I have been told from people who lived through the 1960s how much worse that was.

Assassinations, bombings, Kent State, anger over a draft, campuses across the country being shut down due to protests. If THAT wasn't the start of a civil war, then we're not on the verge of it now.

There's a recency bias when people talk about how tough times are. The 2008 crash was the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression, but it was still no Great Depression. Covid-19 is a tragedy, but it's not the 1918 flu pandemic. Modern politicians are scurrilous, but have you read about politics of the 1800s?

We'll get through this and hopefully make progress on the underlying issues at hand.

[GreenEyedLefty]

43. Thank you.

[mokawanis]

17. nope

[bearsfootball516]

18. No.

[brooklynite]

19. No.

[madville]

20. Not even close

Our military is combat seasoned and very good at urban combat after Iraq, they would crush any serious organized insurrection within days. I don't see any organized, well equipped force acting against the government, that would require a ton of funding and arms, not to mention some form of leadership.

This is just looting and civil disobedience, people will lose interest when the chaos subsides and there's nothing left to easily steal or destroy in their area.

[CanonRay]

22. You never really know when revolutions start when you're in the middle of it.

and you certainly never know where it is going. But I'm getting more certain nothing is going to stop it.

[quaker bill]

23. withholding judgement

DJT talks but often does not produce much. When they start looking they are gonna find a bunch of his alt-right base where he thinks antifa is.

It is possible however that they really go after it and start the shooting as promised. This will not work out well for him.

[Hekate]

25. Weeks ago someone called it a Cold Civil War, which seems apropos. Recall that during the Cold War

...there was plenty of shooting here and there around the world -- skirmishes and police actuons and such. But it never became WW III and the nukes were never launched. So use that as a gauge for awhile longer.

[inwiththenew]

26. Hard to say

One of the true constants in historical inspection of events is that people at the time, or least most people, failed to fully grasp the significance of events that were transpiring often because they were a precursor to more things to come. We lack the perspective that someone 10,20,50 years from now will have on the last few years because we are living in them and don't know what's going to happen next.

[kurtcagle]

28. Not a Civil War

What this feels like to me is more like Nicolae Ceaușescu in 1989 Romania, who was the singularly corrupt president of the country under the Russians. When the Soviet Union collapsed, the Warsaw Pact nations, which had been run as puppet states under the Russians, no longer had the financial support to keep their citizens under control. There were massive protests in the capital and in many cases the police joined with the protesters themselves. Eventually, Ceaușescu resigned and a new democratic government was formed.

Trump believes that his supporters will rally to his cause but his attempts at fomenting revolution are failing.

[smirkymonkey]

38. I hope you are right.

And I hope Trump ends up like Ceausescu as well.

He is showing weakness, and I can't imagine that his cult is impressed with that.

[sakabatou]

31. No.

[cayugafalls]

32. No, this is a protest over the George Floyd murder that has been hijacked by

some bad actors. It is the beginning of some serious dialogue. Truth will prevail.

It may take time and people will need to stand together, but the dialogue has started and leaders across the country are listening.

We have to believe that our fight for truth will win out.

[roamer65]

33. I will answer your question after two events.

1. The conviction or acquittal of the 4 murderer cops.

2. The results of the November election.

These two events are major forks in the road of this nation.

[budkin]

34. Nope

How would that even work?

[roamer65]

35. Yugoslavia and the India-Pakistan partition.

A mix of the two events.

There would be secession by regions, along with political-based and ethnic cleansing.

The movement of people would end up like Partition Day, 1947.

[AntiFascist]

36. This is an uprising against bad actors among the police who seem to be immune to justice...

nothing more than that.

All eyes should be on the Attorney General of Minnesota and how well he does his job. Then, law makers should be making changes.

[Hekate]

39. By now you should know it is far more than that. White supremacists, Proud Boys, Black Bloc...

...Neo-Nazis, and all their ilk have infiltrated the crowds and done much of the damage. They seem to be very good at arson, very well organized.

This country is in deep shit.

[Celerity]

42. black bloc is just a tactic, it's non ideological, but more often used by the left & the anarchists

RW agents provocateur dressed in all black and masks are just mimicking black bloc memes for false flag purposes



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_bloc

A black bloc is a group of protesters who wear black clothing, ski masks, scarves, sunglasses, motorcycle helmets with padding, or other face-concealing and face-protecting items. The clothing is used to conceal wearers' identities and hinder criminal prosecution by making it difficult to distinguish between participants. It is also used to protect their faces and eyes from pepper spray, which is used by law enforcement during protests or civil unrest. The tactic allows the group to appear as one large unified mass. Black bloc participants are often associated with anarchism, anarcho-communism, libertarian socialism, anti-globalization movement or antifascism.

The tactic was developed in the 1980s in the European autonomist movement's protests against squatter evictions, nuclear power, and restrictions on abortion, as well as other influences. Black blocs gained broader media attention outside Europe during the 1999 Seattle WTO protests, when a black bloc damaged property of Gap, Starbucks, Old Navy, and other multinational retail locations in downtown Seattle.

The Black Bloc: Inside America’s Hard Left

[AntiFascist]

51. White supremacists will realize sooner or later that they won't be starting a race war...

Black Bloc and other leftists have appeared before in protests. They manage to bother the police but won't achieve anything like a civil war.

[Celerity]

41. it is but one of many steps along the way

there are 3 huge inflection points coming up (the election)

1. Rump loses, leaves office peacefully and the path is paused for now.

or

2. Rump wins, and even worse, the Rethugs hold the Senate and even worse still, they also pull back the House (the path is walked down even quicker then,, especially if they hold the Senate, and even more so, take back the House, and I then see a clear path (not inevitable at all though, but FAR more likely) to the dissolution of the union by 2035 to 2040 at the latest, 2025 to 2030 at the soonest)

or

3. Rump loses and refuses to leave office, declares the elections null and void, etc etc etc. (I have written about the etc etc etc many times) Then it comes down to what side the US Military classes to join. May they choose well and may they choose lawfully.

[Amishman]

45. no, but it might give Trump a chance at re-election

these riots scare the heck out of suburban moderates, who we need to show up and vote blue.

We need a lid on the violence, and fast. The positive peaceful protests are hardly getting any media attention in comparison.

[uponit7771]

48. Civil unrest has rarely helped the incumbent

[melm00se]

46. Better hope not

Why?

the US Civil War led to 618,000 deaths. This was 2% of the total US population at the time.

Extrapolating this out to today's population would mean more than 7.5 million dead.

Yippee...let's have a Civil War!

[uponit7771]

47. No, Putin continues to misunderstand US culture

[Dial H For Hero]

49. Nope.

[Buckeye_Democrat]

50. Not for me.

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Edit:
What kind of civil war?
A race war? No.