A MN state official just confirmed that they have evidence

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

of white supremacist activities and posters appearing in Minneapolis during the protests.

[Budi]

1. So the Fa did it. Not the AntiFa. They better tell Barr!

[Claustrum]

7. It could also be that both groups attended the protests

Just because one group is confirmed doesn't mean the other group didn't.

But I get it, Barr and Trump were always lying. We all knew it.

[Hortensis]

43. Fascistic RWers have given term false connotations of

"the real fascists" to project their crimes on the left.

We know RW white supremacists and other agents who need to defeat liberalism and the Democratic Party are behind the setting of hundreds of fires all over the nation. We have no big problem in this nation that isn't directly attributable to the extremists who've taken over our right, and now of course the foreign enemies colluding with them.

[LeftInTX]

11. Antifa doesn't put up signs

[backscatter712]

67. The real Antifa, as opposed to poseurs or RW provocateurs, tend to restrain themselves.

They're not the idiots just throwing bricks at cops for grins.

They're the ones who are doing things like waving people away from broken storefronts & stopping looters, or who are putting up a shield wall against charging riot cops so others can get away.

[LeftInTX]

68. Not according to the Anti Defamation League

These violent counter-protesters are often part of “antifa” (short for “antifascist”), a loose collection of groups, networks and individuals who believe in active, aggressive opposition to far right-wing movements. Their ideology is rooted in the assumption that the Nazi party would never have been able to come to power in Germany if people had more aggressively fought them in the streets in the 1920s and 30s. Most antifa come from the anarchist movement or from the far left, though since the 2016 presidential election, some people with more mainstream political backgrounds have also joined their ranks.

Another concern is the misapplication of the label “antifa” to include all counter-protesters, rather than limiting it to those who proactively seek physical confrontations with their perceived fascist adversaries. It is critical to understand how antifa fit within the larger counter-protest efforts. Doing so allows law enforcement to focus their resources on the minority who engage in violence without curtailing the civil rights of the majority of peaceful individuals who just want their voices to be heard.

All forms of antifa violence are problematic. Additionally, violence plays into the “victimhood” narrative of white supremacists and other right-wing extremists and can even be used for recruiting purposes. Images of these “free speech” protesters being beaten by black-clad and bandana-masked antifa provide right wing extremists with a powerful propaganda tool.

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa

[maxsolomon]

73. There's this thing call Black Bloc. It's different than Antifa.

There is probably overlap, but Black Bloc is not focused on fighting Fascists. They are Anarchists, and typically young and idealistic. Black Bloc doesn't loot. The 2 skinny white gals you've seen video of, spray painting, being confronted by Af-Am protestors, and wearing all black? Black Bloc.

They did most of the smashing at the WTO in Seattle, back in the hazy mists of time. 1999. Those kids are now in their 40s, but there will always be young people discovering Punk Rock and Anarchy.

I vastly prefer that to Brown Shirts and MSSAs.

[ancianita]

16. Barr IS the Fa going after the antifa. He just officially announced it to the world.

[Grokenstein]

30. He's in for a hell of a surprise.

Historically speaking, fa tends to make early gains because the civilized world can't believe they're such utter garbage--but then antifa jumps up and crushes their guts out of their mouths.

[KatyaR]

52. Wouldn't that be the ProFa?

I'd say LaDiDa, but that seems inappropriate right now....

[EleanorR]

2. K & R

I have good friend living there and she's hearing the same.

[raging moderate]

3. So now will Barr move against these white supremacist groups?

Or is he going to start wearing a swastika?

[Salviati]

18. Start?

[yuiyoshida]

20. Surprised that Trump hasn't sported one

He could and no one would stop him. Protests outside the WhiteHouse and he is talking about vicious attack dogs on the lawn.. smh.

[Jamastiene]

4. In other words, this is an ongoing investigation and everyone needs

to wait and see what they, for sure, do and do not find, re: whether or not white supremacists groups are causing trouble.

Some people are saying they have backtracked from what the said the other day, but in reality, they are just still investigating it.

[Thekaspervote]

34. No, there is abundant proof it's white supremacist groups

This is just one of dozens of videos proving who’s behind the looting and burning

Link to tweet

?s=21

[Jamastiene]

37. I was talking about earlier reports that said Minn. mayor and governor turned around

and said the opposite of what they had said earlier about white supremacists being the main instigators. They said one thing then said another. I still think it is the white supremacist hate groups doing the damage and causing the trouble.

[madville]

41. The original claim by the twin cities mayors was that white supremacists and

out of state instigators could be "behind the protests". They quickly backtracked on that one within a day. I've been watching live feeds for two days, looks like a diverse group of people under the age of 30 doing most of the peaceful protesting and violent destruction and looting.

Their original claim just made them look silly in my opinion.

[reACTIONary]

55. In my opinion also. nt

[Celerity]

39. Snopes says that tweet's claim is unproven

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/officer-jacob-pederson-protests/

I ABSOLUTELY believe much if not most, of the burning and random violence is false flags perpetrated the RW, but that specific claim in the tweet, unless/until proven true, is not a good example.

[Maraya1969]

40. It doesn't say it's not true. And I can't find a photo of that cop on their website

I thought most police websites lists their active duty police, unless they are undercover. I can't find any photos at their site.

At this point I don't trust the police so when they say it isn't him I'd like them to show some proof.

[Celerity]

42. they only said it is unproven, not that it is definitively not him

cheers

[suegeo]

49. The guy with the umbrella is Qanon

Here's my speculation about the symbolism present in the video above.

Umbrella = storm = qanon.

Although some claim people are using umbrellas to avoid drone tracking.

More speculation. Pizza box guy represents pizzagate.

Fever pit of wingnuts using symbolism to agitate.

[LiberalArkie]

61. Pizzabox guy has extremely good sense of balance.

[EllieBC]

5. K&R!!!

[UncleTomsEvilBrother]

6. I'm certainly not,...

...trying to kill the messenger or derail the thread, but any word on arresting the remaining officers? After all, the murder of George Floyd is why we're all here.

[still_one]

9. +++

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

10. The case has been turned over to the state Attorney General, Keith Ellison,

who couldn't comment on particulars today (this just happened a few hours ago). Two of the three officers are said to be out of the state, so obviously that will slow the arrest process somewhat. We should know more tomorrow. Ellison sounded like he's loaded for bear, though.

[roamer65]

35. Found an article on the two of the four murderers that have left MN.

Sounds like it’s Tou Thao and Thomas Lane.

Lane has just disappeared.

https://www.startribune.com/a-deeper-look-at-the-four-officers-fired-after-george-floyd-death/570885592/

[Upthevibe]

47. roamer65....Thanks for posting this article...n/t

[roamer65]

48. NP.

[Upthevibe]

13. UncleTomsEvilBrother....

You know what, actually "the murder of George Floyd ISN'T why I'm here! I'm here to discuss everything that's been going on. What an odd comment.....

[herding cats]

17. No, it's not.

While it was a horrific event and another uncalled for death of a black man in police custody, it was yet one more in an extremely long line of such events. A blindingly, mind numbingly, decades and decades long line which just keeps getting longer.

That's what all this is really about. George Floyd's murder was a catalyst, but it's most definitely not the cause.

[Crunchy Frog]

23. You seemed eager enough to talk about it a couple days ago.

Before the looting and violence started being attributed to outside infiltrators.

[Upthevibe]

12. The Velvetten Ocelot...

Good......On MSNBC or CNN today one of the reporters (And it happened so fast it was all I could do to just job it down) said that dt had retweeted from someone who adheres to the "Q" beliefs. Here is what Q is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QAnon

[Budi]

14. Wow. Qanon..

Wiki SNIP

The conspiracy theory, mainly disseminated by supporters of President Trump under the names The Storm and The Great Awakening

QAnon's precepts and vocabulary are closely related to the religious concepts of millenarianism and apocalypticism, leading it to be sometimes construed as an emerging religious movement—has been widely characterized as "baseless", "unhinged",and "evidence-free". Its proponents have been called "a deranged conspiracy cult"and "some of the Internet's most outré Trump fans".
More....

[NoRoadUntravelled]

19. There are also New Agers promoting Trump.

They talk about increasing the vibrational frequency of the planet from 3D to 5D and that tRump is going to bring light into the planet because he is filled with light energy. These people channel space aliens from different galaxies and give people words of encouragement. Not kidding here.
I watched a couple of the You Tube videos. The comments were eye opening. People believe that tRump is speaking to them in code. They seem to take random events such as the exact time on the clock or the number of seconds into a video presentation as signs of affirmation that tRump and the space aliens will save the world.
They're all about the peace and love thing. It's just that tRump is the main character in their "Salvation of the Earth" scenario.

[HipChick]

22. I've been posting about this for a while.

I'm very active in that community...and been seeing it a lot. They believe Trump is an advanced being from another planet..

[Upthevibe]

45. HipChick.....

I would have considered myself a "new-ager" (I prefer "new-thought" because of the negative connotation) because of what my spiritual beliefs are (meditation, positive thinking, NORMAL things) but I have one friend that I've posted about on DU before and she doesn't even know who QAnon is. Having said that, she believes the whole Bill Gates is killing people with his vaccinations (she's an anti-vaxxer), Hollywood and other politicians (she knows better than to mention names to me) are running child sex trafficking ring, and other things that are just off the charts. At one point I told her in a conversation that this topic is off limits for me.

I've known her for over 20 years and she recently moved back to her home state (Arizona) last summer. She's been a wonderful friend, is a very good person, is bright in many way but has NO CRITICAL THINKING SKILLS what-so-ever. Whenever I ask her what her source is she'll say something like either she read it somewhere or heard it somewhere and then she'll change the subject or dodge the question. And, she follows people like David Icke, David Wilcock, and I think a guy named Brian Rose (who are MAJOR conspiracy theorists -I've heard some of what they have to say and it's frightening).

Here's an article about dt retweeting something from "Q":
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-tweets-qanon-conspiracy-theory-message-amid-unrest?ref=home&via=twitte

[LeftInTX]

36. God gawd...not another fringe

When does it end????

[DBoon]

44. Some people need to lay off the LSD

[Upthevibe]

46. NoRoadUntravelled...

You are absolutely correct. My name here on DU (UptheVibe) is a whole positive thinking concept and it's shocking how beliefs I've had have been hijacked and mangled....

[NoRoadUntravelled]

53. Same for me.

The really strange thing is that reasonable people I've known for years have become different people! Like night and day.
I've been practicing yoga, meditating and doing energy work for decades. I've never seen anything like this.
The whole Trump cult phenomenon has taken over every belief system and made it their own brand.

[wnylib]

63. Ever listen to George Nory on

Coast to Coast? It's on AM radio from about 1:00 am to 5:00 am Eastern time. Nory claims on the show to be politically neutral, but he is ultra RW. He is pals with Roger Stone and had him on as a guest a few times. Besides RW politics, the show is about anything and everything "out of the ordinary." Space aliens, UFO kidnappings, ghosts and hauntings, ancient aliens as sources of human life on earth and of ancient civilizations. Totally non-critical. Anything goes on that show. They have in-person meet-ups, a dating app to meet other "like minded" people for romance, etc.

That program might well be the source of blurring reality with insanity and New Age beliefs. I used to work overnight shift and would catch this program on my nights off when I couldn't sleep. I listened for laughs until some of the subtle racism toward AA's and overt BS about Native Americans turned me off too much to listen.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

64. I've never listened to the show but I know of it.

What you say about the blurring of reality with insanity and New Age beliefs makes a great deal of sense to me based on what I've seen with people that I know.
Thanks.

[wnylib]

66. I recommend listening to the show

to get an idea of what it presents, and how. In my opinion, it exists solely to influence the gullible and the borderline sanity types to RW politics.

I haven't listened to it for over a year, but I think it's still on the air. Wednesday nights won't give a clear example of the program because it's his infomercial night when the same guy each week promotes a series of vitamins, minerals, and various concoctions only available through him. That guest promotes himself as a medical expert, but as far as I know, is not a doctor or nutritionist.

So Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, or Friday nights would be best to get an idea of what the program is like. It is very heavy on commercials. It's a call-in show for listeners to ask questions of the guest of the night. I have heard people claim to be descended from inter-planetary aliens. Others talk about shadow people and the Nephalim mentioned in Genesis.

RW political views are smoothly woven into the show by various comments from Nory and guests so that people don't realize the political garbage they are being fed.

[NoRoadUntravelled]

71. I'll check it out.

Thanks!

[wnylib]

72. Good. I think it will explain a lot

of the crazy political crap that goes on.

[Lucinda]

15. KNR

[quakerboy]

21. they are coming out of the woodwork

It would be very handy if they would all expose themselves. Police are usually very friendly with that sort.. They seem to fail to understand that the fascists hate them as much as anyone. Breaking that bond would be a great start towards a better country.

[roamer65]

24. Please start releasing names, AG Ellison.

We want the names.

[James48]

25. None of this thread

Links to ANY evidence or news source - just a bunch of hypothetical wind.

Please- of you make accusations of right wing involvement- at LEAST post something to back it up! I want to see it!

Thank you!

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

27. I reported what I heard during a press briefing by state officials on local tv.

If I can find the video I will post it, but I can assure you that I didn’t make it up.

[TXPaganBanker]

31. See post #29 for link to story

No one said "right wing" they said "white supremacist activities". However, if you want to equate them...

[Progressive Jones]

26. Is there a link to a news story? nt

[Gothmog]

28. Good

[TXPaganBanker]

29. Walz, mayors blame looting, violence on 'outsiders'; urge Twin Cities residents to observe Saturday

"Flanagan said ..., “In this moment we cannot because there are detractors, there are white supremacists, there are anarchists, there are people who are burning down the institutions that are core to our identity and who we are”."

"Harrington, the public safety commissioner, said at the mid-morning press briefing that he now has evidence of calls by right-wing extremists and white supremacists to come to Minnesota to foster unrest. “We have watched these groups grow both in brazenness and also grow in challenging approaches that we’ve had to adapt to,” he said."

https://www.minnpost.com/state-government/2020/05/walz-mayors-blame-looting-violence-on-outsiders-urge-twin-cities-residents-to-observe-saturday-night-curfew/

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

32. Video of press conference:

https://cbsloc.al/2Xiwbj3

Discussion of white supremacists at about 15:50 and again at about 20:00.

[Cha]

33. Good!

[Baitball Blogger]

38. Someone send the information to Barr!

[Blue Owl]

50. AKA Donald tRump's VERY FINE PEOPLE

Hear that, Donny Dipshit?

[orangecrush]

51. I am Jack's

[keithbvadu2]

54. Some of the rioters in different cities are light skinned....

Some of the rioters in different cities are light skinned….

Passing? …

https://imgur.com/gallery/E1Ik0Ra

https://imgur.com/gallery/6a8JxK7

[reACTIONary]

56. So are a lot of the peaceful protesters. nt

[keithbvadu2]

57. Yep. And they don't need sarcasm.

[reACTIONary]

58. Do you believe,I was being sarcastic? I was not trying to be...

... I've noticed that some of the posts about this situation seem to point out white protesters and assume something nefarious is afoot due to that fact.

[keithbvadu2]

59. No.

[reACTIONary]

62. I looked back at your post and saw the sarcasm label ...

.... sorry for the misunderstanding.

[Initech]

60. Denver seized a bunch of weapons from white supremacists as well.

Link to tweet

[AllyCat]

65. I want to believe this, but need a link

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

69. See post #32.

[AllyCat]

70. Thank you!