Muslims in NYC make a statement. (Photo)

[Whovian]

[spanone]

1. k&r...

[limpyhobbler]

2. k/r.

[Junkdrawer]

3. Compare that with CNN's front page....

and tell me that CNN/Fox (is there a difference these days?) isn't trying to stir the pot.

[Igel]

4. Compare these two sentences.

"Muslims in NYC make statement."

"Muslims in Libya kill ambassador."

Quick--how many Muslims are implicated?

In the second, there's the temptation to say that what the writer must have meant was somehow all, and then to launch into a diatribe about how this is an over-generalization and perhaps only a score or two were involved. How dare we use a bare plural in a way that might be misleading.

Okay, we don't say things like "bare plural," but the outrage is the same. Not that the writer implied "all" or even "most."

Then we read the exact same construction and are told that "Muslims"--in this case, the smallest number necessary to use the plural--are making a statement. We insist on a different construction, however. Certainly we might misinterpret it to mean "all," but if we do, well, that's okay.

Numbers are good, and don't take up much room in titles. They also avoid confusion--unless we're saying there are just two Muslims in NYC.

[robinlynne]

17. The MSM writes 100 protestors routinely when there are thousands anyway. (the anti war protests for

example). so why go there at all?
The photo is beautiful, powerful, and unifying no matter how many people were there.

[M_M]

60. Shut Up and Appreciate

:eyeroll:

[xocet]

61. It is either 2*10^0 or 1.6*10^9....

The unspoken convention is as follows:

for good messages, the default answer is 2, whereas

for bad messages, the default answer is 1,600,000,000.

[smirkymonkey]

5. I miss NYC!

Moved to Boston from NYC a few months ago. I am beginning to regret it,

NY was such a true melting pot. Boston is so different.

[tilsammans]

26. Just curious . . .

How is Boston different from NYC? (I have roots in both places, and I used to live in the NYC Metro area.)

[smirkymonkey]

49. Boston is much more conservative.

I lived in the Upper West Side and worked in midtown. I never felt like I had to watch what I say in NY as I do here in Boston, especially at work.

In NYC people were open about being Liberal, seeing a Psychiatrst, taking psch meds, being gay, being pro-choice, being anti-racist, sexist, homophbic, etc. In short, you could speak your mind as a liberal without fear of reprisal.

Here in Boston, I feel like I constantly have to censor myself. At work it is especially pronounced. It's so repressed I feel that I can't express myself personally at all.

[tilsammans]

76. Wow, that's a shame

But I'm not all that surprised. Most of my teabag nutter Faux News fan relatives are from coastal Massachusetts.

Sometimes I wonder where all the liberals are. In the western part of the state?

[smirkymonkey]

79. I think it's even worse there. Cambridge is a bit better than Boston.

I lived here right after college and now I am back after about 17 years. It's changed quite a bit.

It seems to have become a little more conservative, but it has always been more conservative than NYC.

[polecat41]

74. I miss NYC, too!!

Yeah, I feel the same way (I live in Chicago now). My son went to B.U. & all we ate most of the time were lobsters, crabs ... & more lobsters. Not bad, since most of the dishes were tasty. But I sure missed the pastrami & rye, egg creams & real NYC pizzas. Plus, I still can't figure out why Bostonians act so high class. It's like they're from England or something. I felt inferior when I was talking to them. Maybe it's a Red Sox vs. NY Yankees thing - I don't know.

[smirkymonkey]

75. Welcome to DU Polecat411

I agree with you about Boston, there is definitely a type of English reserve and repression here. New Yorkers are so open and they are such charachters! (in a good way)

[Douglas Carpenter]

6. please k&r this. This is a good time for a bit of peace, love and understandikng

[freshwest]

8. K & R right here.

[DrewFlorida]

7. It's nice to see Muslims making it known that they don't support violence.

[Cha]

10. It's Important! All over the World.. Just like the Libyans

with their signs after Ambassador Stevens was assassinated.

I don't imagine true Christians support the christian fundies who started this violent hatred in the first place, either.

[theinquisitivechad]

9. K&R

Bless these women for trying to bring peace.

[calimary]

22. Truly. Some genuinely prayerful people. I believe their sincerity.

I know there are many more like them. I wish the world could see - including those with a peculiar form of religious myopia here in this country.

[liberallibral]

11. Very Nice to See... This needs more coverage from the mainstream PRESS!!!

[Nye Bevan]

12. These pictures are very nice, but I'd like to ask a question that is not intended to be offensive.

Did any Muslims do anything like this in the wake of 9/11?

[SmileyRose]

13. yes

[Nye Bevan]

14. I didn't see those pictures. If you have a link I would appreciate it (nt)

[Douglas Carpenter]

18. here is one from Iran - there are countless others in which a 10 second google search will find

af few more:



a bunch more

http://www.google.com/search?q=muslims+mourning+9%2F11&hl=en&rlz=1T4ADFA_enGU474GU474&tbm=isch&tbo=u&biw=1280&bih=588&oq=muslims+mourning+9%2F11&gs_l=img.12...13460.21260.0.23140.29.20.0.0.0.1.830.2580.5-2j2.4.0...0.0...1c.1._NonyXdacsg

[Nye Bevan]

19. Thanks! Nice pictures (nt)

[CitizenPatriot]

27. thank you!

There was a website set up after 9/11 with messages of love and peace from around the world, and global citizens saying no war please. I remember the pictures like it was yesterday, but not the name of the site.

[morningfog]

16. There were a lot who showed great resepect. Muslims died on 9/11 too.

I don't know how you missed the supportive and sympathetic muslims at the time.

[fascisthunter]

65. the poster is a pro-Israeli extremist

and pretty bigoted towards Muslims.

[defacto7]

28. Why be offended?

You are offering this person a gift. When knowledge is needed, offer a peaceful gift that fills that void. You don't need to throw offence.

Be a teacher and educate, not an punisher who spreads offence.

[treestar]

36. +1

It would have been easy just to inform but for some reason people insist on making themselves into victims. It's weird.

[Posteritatis]

58. Said information's been flying around for a decade plus by now, too.

Also, the question was one of those standard, tired "I'm going to treat a billion people as a monolith and actually pretend I doubt any of them said anything" just-curious-but-really-believe-my-answer-anyway lines.

[pangaia]

21. Yes, thousands.

[Piazza Riforma]

23. Of course you didn't mean to be offensive but you buy into the

"Where are the Muslim protests against terror?" tripe.

NOBODY has the right to demand that law abiding Muslims account for extremists or "prove their loyalty" which is exactly what the people who ask this are implying.

[Posteritatis]

32. Absolutely. (nt)

[defacto7]

33. What?

By simply asking a question, you turn it into...

Buying into something... and some implication that you say is "exactly" what the people who ask this question imply. You are just pulling that out of your own mind; it's your own anger. Thin air... No, it only implies that a question needs to be answered. No more, No less.

What really bothers me about these religious wars is all the anger and punishing nature being thrown back and forth. When are people just going to listen to each other and stop making up false implications out of neurosis?

Forget the "eye for an eye", or a "life for a life"....

start with "an answer for a question". Maybe we will begin to understand each other.

[Violet_Crumble]

43. There are questions, and then there's 'questions'....

I thought this one was a bit strange as a response to a positive story about Muslims. If I didn't know better, I'd have wondered if it wasn't an attempt to find some negative thing about Muslims to counter the good in the OP....

[cali]

41. thank you, thank you, thank you

as I looked at the photo, my first though was "how sad. now these people have to prove they aren't bad?"

And welcome to DU! We need you.

[JI7]

24. you do know some of the victims were Muslim on 9/11 ?

[Posteritatis]

31. How can you be here eight years and still not know the answer to something like that? (nt)

[defacto7]

34. why does everyone need to be as informed as you?

[Posteritatis]

57. I don't see this as the sort of thing one needs to be particularly informed to know

Genuinely being unsure that there were Muslims upset about 9/11 is staggering, frightening ignorance.

There's not the tiniest shred of an excuse for any marginally politically engaged person to have to ask that sort of question about something like that. None.

[defacto7]

64. I understand your point...

but not your extreme point of view and anger at another persons ability to perceive or remember or whatever. There are millions of people in the US who are blinded by misinformation, kept from proper news sources, shielded from reality even. We are surrounded by them.

To you it's staggering, to me it's unfortunate and needs to be addressed with information. I can't judge someone's question unless they offer objective information that leaves no doubt that it was intentionally provocative. Otherwise, I become the provocateur.

[fascisthunter]

66. the poster is anti-Muslim

that's why.

[Nye Bevan]

44. It must be very annoying for worldly, sophisticated, knowledgeable people like you,

to have to deal with questions from ignorant yahoos like me.

I bow in the face of your superiority.

[Alameda]

52. Sorry, but I too find it amazing one could be so uninformed.

Many many Muslims offered sympathy, gave blood and more after 911, Were you so blinded by prejudice you missed it, were you in such a place as you could not find any information? Were you a child and unable to do a simple search? It's not at all difficult to find such information. You have been here for almost 8 years, posted over 7,000 messages, served on a jury 140 times, how could you have been here so long and missed it?

A simple Google search with the words "muslim offer of condolences after 911" would have found much information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactions_to_the_September_11_attacks#Islamic_world

[Nye Bevan]

53. Apology accepted (nt)

[blm]

69. I find it hard to believe that someone alive during that time NEVER SAW the outpouring of sympathy

from Muslim countries as well. Which was even more disgusting when Bush attacked some of those same Muslim countries in his speech. The pictures from Iran had posters saying they were ALL Americans that day. Fer chrissakes the RW spin really does dominate even some in the Democratic party as well as most media.

[judesedit]

15. Others agree or the girls wouldn't be calmly holding vigil for the Ambassador. He was also theirs.

They are Americans and America was built on freedom of speech and freedom of religion. I'm surprised there are no rednecks harrassing them. But maybe there are too many to harrass.

[proReality]

25. K&R n/t

[Whovian]

30. Me too.

[Douglas Carpenter]

29. PLEASE, knr

[defacto7]

35. K&R x 1000

Beautiful and thank you.

[j3161usa]

37. Whoa, She's hot!

[chknltl]

38. This is a beautiful lady doing a beautiful thing with other beautiful people.

Calling her "hot", is misogynistic, belittles what she is doing and belittles those with her. It belittles this forum too in my opinion.

Welcome to the DU

[CJCRANE]

73. She can wear whatever she wants on her head

that's her choice.

[chknltl]

77. Wowsers, earned the granite pizza....

....before I even got the chance to be offended by his(?) post!

I like your response CJCRANE.

May I add another who could wear whatever she liked on her head, Audry Hepburn

[Whovian]

39. A very juvenile response.

Unappreciated.

[eppur_se_muova]

42. Enjoy your stay ! nt

[Alameda]

54. Many do not like being "eyeballed"

to me it's a kind of rape. Eye Balling.......understand? I don't like to be "eyeballed". It's as if one's worth depends on how fuckable they seem. When anyone "eyeballs" me it really makes my blood boil.
There are some neighborhoods where you can get shot by the wrong look....."what are you looking at?"

[MineralMan]

55. What a terrible thing to post!

Time to type with both hands, and think with your other head, I think.

[Firebrand Gary]

40. KIcked and recommended.

[kentuck]

45. Kick

[undeterred]

46. Beautiful picture.

[Sekhmets Daughter]

48. Beautiful picture...

A few years ago I was watching a documentary entitled "Iran and the West" which began with the early history of Iran (Persia) and went through to the current year. There was an extremely moving segment of the thousands of Iranians who took to the streets after 9/11 to hold a candlelight vigil for the victims of 9/11....It was such a moving and yes, haunting, picture that the face of one particularly beautiful young woman with tears streaming down her face has remained in my mind's eye ever since.

Americans could learn much from those Iranians. 9/11 was just 13 years after the end of the Iraq - Iran war... a war in which we backed Saddam Hussein with more than just words.

[Astazia]

50. And what a statement...picture saying more than a thousand words ...

K & R awesome!

[Romulox]

51. Powerful image. K/R. nt

[porphyrian]

56. . n/t

[Zalatix]

59. Not surprised at all.

"There's good and bad in everyone" - Paul McCartney

[Tigress DEM]

62. Kindness, empathy, human traits ---- hopefully we'll continue to evolve

AND hopefully our evolution will be toward greater tolerance of our differences and an ability to peacefully co-exist.

We need a Department of Peace more than we need a War Department. We are too GOOD at war and too unwilling and unprepared for Peace.

[BOG PERSON]

63. muslims should really stop apologizing for the actions of other muslims

it's annoying

[4th law of robotics]

67. They must not have seen the video

I've heard that it was so horrific that it would force even peaceful, tolerant, and moderate muslims to murder innocent people.

That's why it had to be banned. It went so far beyond free speech because it literally forced sane adults to commit violent actions they otherwise would have been incapable of.

Right?

[onecent]

68. Awwwww this is incredible. Bless these people..

[flamingdem]

70. K&R

[nolabear]

71. K&R. What a sad, lovely photo.

[HappyMe]

78. k&r

[deaniac21]

80. They don't call it "the religion of peace" for nothing.