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mnmoderatedem

(3,724 posts)
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 06:46 AM Jun 2020

it appears trump's shameless stunt is backfiring

I mean, from his perspective, the whole purpose of the photo op was to shore up support from evangelicals whose support is crucial and appeared to be waning. The somewhat anecdotal evidence seems to indicate it is not sitting well with religious leaders.

Let's hope this is another nail in the November coffin. I'm optimistic.

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it appears trump's shameless stunt is backfiring (Original Post) mnmoderatedem Jun 2020 OP
The rest are silent True Blue American Jun 2020 #1
For one, he picked the wrong church Freddie Jun 2020 #2
Well, exactly. To him, one church is just like another, since he has never set foot in Nay Jun 2020 #6
Thanks for sharing that about the Episcopal Church, Cha Jun 2020 #10
A liberal denomination... 2naSalit Jun 2020 #11
I'm just wondering DENVERPOPS Jun 2020 #25
Some close up photos show 2naSalit Jun 2020 #32
He found the one the Gideons left in his bunker. Midnight Writer Jun 2020 #34
I think that's why he did it... cbdo2007 Jun 2020 #17
Yes it is Freddie Jun 2020 #18
You don't understand the evangelical mind LiberalLovinLug Jun 2020 #29
And Wilton Gregory is fairly liberal as Catholic archbishops go Sympthsical Jun 2020 #31
with the condemnation.... quickesst Jun 2020 #3
We need it to be trending that the church he is posing in front of believes strongly in equality!!! cbdo2007 Jun 2020 #20
this should be.... quickesst Jun 2020 #22
+1 crickets Jun 2020 #28
Instant Karma thecrow Jun 2020 #4
it's gonna get him lagomorph777 Jun 2020 #7
Overheard in Walmart yesterday two young white guys talking in the next aisle. I hope those doc03 Jun 2020 #5
Walmart warriors. yardwork Jun 2020 #9
Mouth melitia. nt 2naSalit Jun 2020 #12
The Methmouth Militia. backscatter712 Jun 2020 #15
Meal Team 6 Canoe52 Jun 2020 #35
I hope So! I predicted it Cha Jun 2020 #8
+1 2naSalit Jun 2020 #13
He's shoring up support, but not for votes Johnny2X2X Jun 2020 #14
The whole time he was pulling that shit... backscatter712 Jun 2020 #16
Notice how much trouble he had holding it rpannier Jun 2020 #43
Donnie may have cheered up some Evangelicals, BUT Vogon_Glory Jun 2020 #19
Let this be his pivotal moment. Did he literally walk there and say nothing? Alex4Martinez Jun 2020 #21
Yes karin_sj Jun 2020 #37
Maybe he's seeing troubling internal numbers... manhattan123 Jun 2020 #23
His supporters say he is supporting religious freedom. keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #24
He should be supporting constitutional and human rights. Karadeniz Jun 2020 #30
DUH! shockey80 Jun 2020 #26
Even Pat Roberston is upset obamanut2012 Jun 2020 #27
After the White House released the 'triumphal' video of his trip to the photo-op SeattleVet Jun 2020 #33
I love all of these. crickets Jun 2020 #39
And why shouldn't it backfire? louis-t Jun 2020 #36
K&R crickets Jun 2020 #38
THEY KEY IS TO NOT LET UP ON HIM blakstoneranger Jun 2020 #40
Isn't the whole republican party like that now Beringia Jun 2020 #42
I don't get it. "Ooh, he's holding a Bible!!" Beartracks Jun 2020 #41
He made sure to go to a shut down church. keithbvadu2 Jun 2020 #44

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
2. For one, he picked the wrong church
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:08 AM
Jun 2020

The Episcopal Church is a liberal denomination. Their basic beliefs are the exact opposite of what he stands for. The national church is LIVID over him using their church as a photo op. Especially now that we know peaceful protesters, ***including a priest***, were teargassed to make way for this stunt. There’s still quite a few of us Mainline Protestants left and we're all pissed off about using one of our churches as a prop without permission.

Nay

(12,051 posts)
6. Well, exactly. To him, one church is just like another, since he has never set foot in
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:16 AM
Jun 2020

any church in order to learn anything, but only for optics and ads. But will the evangelicals have the brains to realize this? Who knows.

DENVERPOPS

(8,809 posts)
25. I'm just wondering
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:34 PM
Jun 2020

where the hell they got a bible......Certainly not from anyone in his Administration, that's for sure.......

Did anyone check the book he is holding? Probably not a bible, but a collection of Hitler's writings......
Or directives from Putin...........

2naSalit

(86,528 posts)
32. Some close up photos show
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 03:26 PM
Jun 2020

it as a bible but it probably was stolen from a chapel in the WH. It isn't like czarina wanders around with one in her purse all the time being Jewish and all.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
17. I think that's why he did it...
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 09:48 AM
Jun 2020

To the conservatives, they think any church is better than none. Most of them don't know anything about Episcopals or what we believe.

But to liberals and especially Episcopalians, we see this as a further invasion into our lives and beliefs. I'm tearing up writing this right now. He knew he was inflicting extra damage with this, by using a liberal church which many fundamentalists don't believe is right, for the back drop of his "stunt".

It is extremely upsetting.

Freddie

(9,259 posts)
18. Yes it is
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 10:01 AM
Jun 2020

I’m ELCA and our national Bishop, Elizabeth Eaton, put out a statement strongly condemning his actions. Using one of OUR churches as your photo op (and hurting people along the way!) is execrable. Like everything else he does.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,171 posts)
29. You don't understand the evangelical mind
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 01:29 PM
Jun 2020

I grew up with it.
The fundamentalist evangelicals who are his voters, believe their denomination of Christianity is THE ONLY one that God respects and they are the ones that He loves. Its not just unrepentant immoral sinners (Presidents excepted) that go to hell, its also the idol worshipping Catholics, the weird Mormons, and especially the liberal worldly denominations like United and Episcopal churches.
They will not be outraged Trump used this church as a backdrop. They will only see it as Trump intended, as a symbol of Christian Faith. Fundie evangelicals are well practised in the art of hypocrisy and separating their own doctrine from reality if it suits them.

Sympthsical

(9,071 posts)
31. And Wilton Gregory is fairly liberal as Catholic archbishops go
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 02:43 PM
Jun 2020

I’ve always liked the man. He confirmed me when he was an auxiliary bishop in Chicago. Very kind person. So pulling the shrine stunt in his diocese wasn’t so bright, either.

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
3. with the condemnation....
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:10 AM
Jun 2020

.... of drump's political stunt by religious leaders all the way up to the Pope, I have one thing to ask. For those who still support the drump administration, and claim to be Christian, how can you possibly attend church this Sunday with a clear conscience?

quickesst

(6,280 posts)
22. this should be....
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 10:48 AM
Jun 2020

....a main focus also.

I’m a priest. The police forced me off church grounds for Trump’s photo op.
This sacred space became a battleground.

By Gini Gerbasi
Gini Gerbasi is the Rector of St. John’s Episcopal Church, in Georgetown. She is a 2007 graduate of Wesley Theological Seminary, and has both a BA and JD from William and Mary.
June 3, 2020 at 5:27 a.m. CDT

When I arrived in front of St. John’s Episcopal Church in Lafayette Square on Monday, bringing granola bars and cases of water, the mood was upbeat. I couldn’t have imagined the grotesque scene that would unfold hours later — that the police would shove us out of the way with riot shields, pepper balls and smoke canisters, to clear a path for President Trump.
More at:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/06/03/priest-stjohns-church-trump/

doc03

(35,325 posts)
5. Overheard in Walmart yesterday two young white guys talking in the next aisle. I hope those
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:59 AM
Jun 2020

n----gs show up at my place I have two ARs waiting for them. They were loud too like they wanted someone to confront them.

Johnny2X2X

(19,037 posts)
14. He's shoring up support, but not for votes
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 09:29 AM
Jun 2020

He needs this 25% to support his next terrible and despotic set of actions. If they think he’s acting as a Devine messenger they’ll support what ever atrocity he inflicts on the country next.

He knows he has their votes wrapped up, this is something else.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
16. The whole time he was pulling that shit...
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 09:45 AM
Jun 2020

I was wondering how he could touch that Bible without bursting into flames.

Vogon_Glory

(9,117 posts)
19. Donnie may have cheered up some Evangelicals, BUT
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 10:21 AM
Jun 2020

I’d say he p(xxx)ed off a lot of liturgical Christians. Tear-gassing the clergy was outrageous.

Alex4Martinez

(2,193 posts)
21. Let this be his pivotal moment. Did he literally walk there and say nothing?
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 10:26 AM
Jun 2020

I mean, it's all the worst and solid proof that it's a photo op and nothing more.

I can't bear to look at him so appreciate the run down on whether or not he even spoke.

Thanks!

karin_sj

(808 posts)
37. Yes
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:18 PM
Jun 2020

He stood there, holding up the Bible, and tried to look like a tough guy. He didn't say a word. It was so bizarre.

manhattan123

(302 posts)
23. Maybe he's seeing troubling internal numbers...
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 11:30 AM
Jun 2020

...but he keeps doing and saying things to prop up and please his base who, you would think, are going to vote for him anyway.

The Evangelicals are going to vote for him. The gun nuts are going to vote for him. His latest stunt just served to piss off other religious leaders and average Americans.

It all seems counterproductive.

keithbvadu2

(36,762 posts)
24. His supporters say he is supporting religious freedom.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 12:14 PM
Jun 2020

His supporters say he is supporting religious freedom.

Yeah! Right!

Kicking a priest and follower out of their church by gov't force is their idea of 'religious freedom'.

SeattleVet

(5,477 posts)
33. After the White House released the 'triumphal' video of his trip to the photo-op
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 04:07 PM
Jun 2020

people have been having a great time fixing it with a better music selection or creative editing:




Or adding a little Yakkity-Sax:




Or intercutting what's happening out of range of the WH camera:




crickets

(25,962 posts)
39. I love all of these.
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 07:42 PM
Jun 2020

This is pretty on point:




There is a string of them, each one having its own unique flavor.

louis-t

(23,291 posts)
36. And why shouldn't it backfire?
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 05:49 PM
Jun 2020

He has no common sense. He has the worst instincts of anyone I have ever seen. Every time he tries to prove what a genius he is, he makes a fool of himself. The more desperate he gets, the wilder his antics. With every fuckup, he proclaims success. I real feel the backlash will take him over the edge this time. I only hope he can control himself and not start murdering more people.

 

blakstoneranger

(333 posts)
40. THEY KEY IS TO NOT LET UP ON HIM
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 08:02 PM
Jun 2020

He's a lucky duck. He didn't get this far by being unlucky. Somebody is carrying him. No matter how far he falls, there's always someone there to catch him. I dont know why, maybe out of respect for his father. So we cannot let up, we have to keep the pressure on and not forget, HE IS NOT ABOVE CHEATING BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY. If all else fails, his base fails him, his billionair donors fail him, he will resort to using russians or any other country to help rig this election and then claim the election is rigged as a cover. He may even find a way to manipulate the electoral college. who knows, but if all else fails, he will cheat!! He is the type who doesn't care how he wins, as long as he wins--winning at any cost.

Beartracks

(12,809 posts)
41. I don't get it. "Ooh, he's holding a Bible!!"
Wed Jun 3, 2020, 09:20 PM
Jun 2020

"OMG!! He's standing outside a church!! Squee!!!"

Really, does he expect that evangelicals are so impressionable that he doesn't even have to DO anything at a church, like pray, or provide solemn thoughts, or feed the poor, or throw some paper towels, or harangue folks in poverty for being losers? NOTHING? I mean, come on, this was the most photo-oppy of photo ops; it was literally like a magazine shoot. He just stood there in front of a backdrop with a prop in his hand so people could take his picture.

(I know, I know. Evangelicals CAN be pretty impressionable. But still... They're not stupid.

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