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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:26 PM Jun 2020

What should happen to Confederate Statues?


46 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited
Take them down and destroy them
18 (39%)
Leave them in place
1 (2%)
Move them to a history museum
25 (54%)
Let the people vandalize them
1 (2%)
OTHER
1 (2%)
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What should happen to Confederate Statues? (Original Post) milestogo Jun 2020 OP
Move everything to Stone Mountain (Tucker GA) ...... JustFiveMoreMinutes Jun 2020 #1
Oh, Hell No. :) I'm for sandblasting that crud off the side of the mountain and replacing it with Hoyt Jun 2020 #9
Sandblasting won't get er dun. maxsolomon Jun 2020 #28
I'm ready to contribute. In 1920s they sold silver coins to finance the damn carving. Why not now? Hoyt Jun 2020 #36
I'm in. maxsolomon Jun 2020 #38
That would be a problem right now, but who knows what the future holds. Hoyt Jun 2020 #39
Take them to the appropriate civil war battleground museums, but... hlthe2b Jun 2020 #2
I think its important to preserve history - because there are always people who want to erase it. milestogo Jun 2020 #3
+1 demmiblue Jun 2020 #10
What history though? Caliman73 Jun 2020 #13
The same reasoning the Taliban destroyed two Buddhist statues in Afghanistan. Lochloosa Jun 2020 #20
So the Taliban destroyed statues which predated Islam by a hundreds of years... Caliman73 Jun 2020 #29
I agree about putting them in a museum, but they are part of history. Not our Civil War history Lochloosa Jun 2020 #32
They are part of the history of Racism in America, which persists to this day. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #34
Lol. What a pivot! History of the 20s and 30s? Solomon Jun 2020 #44
Yup.... Alacritous Crier Jun 2020 #21
You make a good point. Statues that were erected after the war to honor Blue_true Jun 2020 #30
almost zero of these statues have any historical value Voltaire2 Jun 2020 #26
Urinals? nt Atticus Jun 2020 #4
Put them in museums, in a special gallery dubbed Aristus Jun 2020 #5
THats what ive been saying their losers why do they want to continue to revisit that they lossssssss ace3csusm Jun 2020 #12
Fucking trash them. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #6
This ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #25
Secretly bury them all like those terra cotta Chinese soldiers. yonder Jun 2020 #7
Museum (depending on the museum). demmiblue Jun 2020 #8
Historical and war museums would be a good place madville Jun 2020 #11
I am torn on this issue. Laelth Jun 2020 #14
Is The History Not Well Documented? ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #27
They serve as a living reminder of a racist past. Laelth Jun 2020 #46
We sent our's to a local confederate veterans group LeftInTX Jun 2020 #15
I dunno, what did we do to all the Benedict Arnold statues? PaulRevere08 Jun 2020 #16
There is one, to my knowledge. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #37
Take them to the Noah's Ark place in KY mtngirl47 Jun 2020 #17
My head says museum, my heart says destroy. Maru Kitteh Jun 2020 #18
Blow them up, melt them down. hunter Jun 2020 #19
I can't find a clip of it... Hong Kong Cavalier Jun 2020 #22
I would most like to see them destroyed on live TV. Archetypist Jun 2020 #23
If they take down the statues that means everyone has to read books to find out that they lost. tenderfoot Jun 2020 #24
They aren't history DBoon Jun 2020 #31
I was going to say destroy them, but then on further reflection, instead, maybe sell and get our SWBTATTReg Jun 2020 #33
Let's not pretend it didn't happen. But we needn't glorify the thugs in public spaces struggle4progress Jun 2020 #35
They were traitors, get rid of them BlueJac Jun 2020 #40
Smash them to pieces, and put a few of the pieces on display in a museum fishwax Jun 2020 #41
Leave them right where they are. RichardRay Jun 2020 #42
Please rethink the idea of confederate museums MoonlitKnight Jun 2020 #43
Melt them JustGene Jun 2020 #45
I have mixed feelings. leftyladyfrommo Jun 2020 #47
I don't need to see statues of Hitler MoonlitKnight Jun 2020 #48
Why statues of losers? Put up Grant and Sherman statues in every city in the South, as a reminder Baclava Jun 2020 #49
Tear them down. Melt them down. SoonerPride Jun 2020 #50
turn them into plowshares onethatcares Jun 2020 #51
They don't belong in prominent public places ibegurpard Jun 2020 #52

JustFiveMoreMinutes

(2,133 posts)
1. Move everything to Stone Mountain (Tucker GA) ......
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:29 PM
Jun 2020

... since they'll never change the carving on the Mountain Face...

Might as well as make it a Confederate Museum.

Might want to move the Ark there as well.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. Oh, Hell No. :) I'm for sandblasting that crud off the side of the mountain and replacing it with
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:38 PM
Jun 2020

John Lewis, MLK, and all the Civil Rights icons from Georgia.


But, until then, I guess the park is as good a place as any. The damn place was owned by an honest to dog KKK Grand Wizzard -- or whatever they call themselves -- before selling it to the state.

I have never understood why anyone goes to that park -- well, anyone other than ignorant white wingers. It's a blight.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
36. I'm ready to contribute. In 1920s they sold silver coins to finance the damn carving. Why not now?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jun 2020

hlthe2b

(102,723 posts)
2. Take them to the appropriate civil war battleground museums, but...
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:30 PM
Jun 2020

they should face similar statutes of union counterparts.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
3. I think its important to preserve history - because there are always people who want to erase it.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jun 2020

That said, these statues don't have to be in everyone's face every day.

Caliman73

(11,764 posts)
13. What history though?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:46 PM
Jun 2020

Most of those statues were put up in the 1920's during the time when Jim Crow was in full swing, and it was done with the intent to keep Southern Black people "in their place" by showing them that White Confederate sympathizers were in power.

Most of the historical statues were placed about a decade after the war, in placed designated as battlegrounds.

We need to be careful which history we are preserving.

If those statues are put on display with full context, then okay, but I think those statues were actually meant to distort history.

Lochloosa

(16,107 posts)
20. The same reasoning the Taliban destroyed two Buddhist statues in Afghanistan.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:53 PM
Jun 2020

All history is not always pretty, but it is history and everyone can learn from it.

Caliman73

(11,764 posts)
29. So the Taliban destroyed statues which predated Islam by a hundreds of years...
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:04 PM
Jun 2020

Because they distorted history?

I think you need to go back and rethink your answer.


Taliban destroyed those statues and many others because they wanted to destroy the history of other cultures in their desire to establish a caliphate as per their sect of Islam.


The monuments put up by DoC and other racist groups have little actual cultural or historical value, except to point out America's continued struggle with White Supremacy and Racism.

Again, if they were to be displayed in such a context in a museum about race and American racism, then fine. They have no historical or cultural value outside of that context.

Lochloosa

(16,107 posts)
32. I agree about putting them in a museum, but they are part of history. Not our Civil War history
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:12 PM
Jun 2020

but the history of the 20's, 30's etc.

I would classify them more a part of our Civil Rights history also and should be part of that.

Caliman73

(11,764 posts)
34. They are part of the history of Racism in America, which persists to this day.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:21 PM
Jun 2020

They should be labeled as such.

Not general civil rights or any other less up front category. "The history of Racism in America".

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
30. You make a good point. Statues that were erected after the war to honor
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:04 PM
Jun 2020

confederate figures should be preserved in a museum, but taken from public parks and squares.

Statues that were erected out of racist sentiment long after the way should be taken down and either destroyed or sold. If people want to put them up on private property, so be it, as long as they can't be viewed from a public facility or roadway.

Voltaire2

(13,475 posts)
26. almost zero of these statues have any historical value
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jun 2020

most were put up in modern times, like the 60s.

ProfessorGAC

(65,702 posts)
25. This
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:03 PM
Jun 2020

The historical facts are well documented.
Statues of traitorous failures add nothing to the historical record.

yonder

(9,692 posts)
7. Secretly bury them all like those terra cotta Chinese soldiers.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:37 PM
Jun 2020

If discovered in the future, let someone else try to make sense of it.

demmiblue

(36,999 posts)
8. Museum (depending on the museum).
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:37 PM
Jun 2020

It provides a good opportunity to spark discussions about our past, our present and our future.

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
14. I am torn on this issue.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jun 2020

I value history—the good, the bad, and the ugly.

But my ultimate answer is this. The fate of Confederate statues must be decided by the citizens of the cities and states in which they are located. I don’t think that I have the right to tell these cities and states what to do with their own public property.

-Laelth

ProfessorGAC

(65,702 posts)
27. Is The History Not Well Documented?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:04 PM
Jun 2020

Statues of treasonous losers add what to the established history?

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
46. They serve as a living reminder of a racist past.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:51 PM
Jun 2020

Such reminders are useful. I think a reminder that racism is STILL REAL can be productive. It’s better than HIDING a racist past and sweeping it under the rug, but, ultimately, I think it’s up to the citizens of the cities and states in which such monuments reside.

-Laelth

LeftInTX

(26,038 posts)
15. We sent our's to a local confederate veterans group
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:49 PM
Jun 2020

I think they have their own cemetery, but it was such as heated issue at the time, the destination location was kept secret.

Most states in the south have confederate cemeteries.

Many of these statue are owned by the Daughters of Confederate States and Sons of Confederate Veterans. Get the statues off public property and back into private hands where they belong.

PaulRevere08

(449 posts)
16. I dunno, what did we do to all the Benedict Arnold statues?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:50 PM
Jun 2020

Oh, right, we opted not to build statues to traitors.

Caliman73

(11,764 posts)
37. There is one, to my knowledge.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:24 PM
Jun 2020

A boot, I believe dedicated to the actions before the treason.

Arnold was a good field commander who helped win some important battles for the Americans. He felt that he was overlooked for command and thus decided to turn coat.

Nothing glorifying him though and he is only thought of as a traitor now, as should the confederates.

mtngirl47

(994 posts)
17. Take them to the Noah's Ark place in KY
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:52 PM
Jun 2020

That way they can all go see their religious stuff and confederate stuff in one place

Hong Kong Cavalier

(4,573 posts)
22. I can't find a clip of it...
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:55 PM
Jun 2020

But in the Season 9 episode of M*A*S*H called "Depressing News" Hawkeye builds a 'monument' out of an excess of tongue depressors the camp receives.

And then when the Stars and Stripes comes to do an article and take a picture of it for morale, he uses a roll of Primacord that a departing wounded soldier gives him to blow it up.

Wrap 'em all in Primacord and light the fuse (from a safe distance, of course.)

We could sell pay-per-view tickets for it, even. Move 'em all to an abandoned quarry and blow 'em up.

Archetypist

(218 posts)
23. I would most like to see them destroyed on live TV.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:59 PM
Jun 2020

Then make a museum showing video clips of that. I would settle for a museum that houses the statues in interpretive exhibits. I just feel they need to cease to exist as physical objects. The same way the swastika was taken down all over Germany.

DBoon

(22,475 posts)
31. They aren't history
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:11 PM
Jun 2020

most of them are in place to intimidate African Americans. The statues don't actually commemorate a past event - they are meant to put people in their place.

They serve no civilized purpose.

SWBTATTReg

(22,388 posts)
33. I was going to say destroy them, but then on further reflection, instead, maybe sell and get our
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:17 PM
Jun 2020

public dollars back (if government owned) and use the proceeds solely for good, scholarships to kids, etc., but if privately owned, then the statues need to be removed from public grounds/public display by the owners (Daughters of the Confederacy, whomever, to do as they chose, kind of like what happened earlier when a wave of these statues were removed recently (last five years or so).

Like the nazi memorabilia, a lot was destroyed, some went into museums so future generations can understand for themselves the disgusting attributes of the Nazi regime. There's always going to be a market for such items unfortunately. At least get some money out of it.

This is a hard question to answer, such as the one question that has been asked in the past, what to do w/ all of the Nazi medical research that went on in prison / labor camps? Most, if not all of the answers I have seen on this (medical research derived from such sources) is to destroy that work, which I agree w/.

Things have a habit of being rediscovered again and again if they are worth it, thus any so called 'medical' advances made by the Nazi medical research will be discovered again. I say this because a lot of discoveries made of various things seem to come in groups, e.g., multiple groups at the same time discovered things etc., so I don't worry anymore that such gee whiz advances are super critical, they're not.

Destroying the statues seem to rank censorship in a fashion, and I don't condone censorship, but at least get some good out of these items, but don't display in a public place, there are other far more valuable things or far more better people to display than these hateful items.

However, if voices cry out for these hateful items to be destroyed, I won't stop them. I want my friends to be satisfied and happy w/ how these hateful symbols of our country's past are handled, and if being destroyed is what they want, then be it.

fishwax

(29,154 posts)
41. Smash them to pieces, and put a few of the pieces on display in a museum
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:37 PM
Jun 2020

with pictures and context of their racist origins and slavery-defending inspirations, so that this dark history isn't lost.

RichardRay

(2,611 posts)
42. Leave them right where they are.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:42 PM
Jun 2020

To each one, add a large, clear sign describing who the person was, and including information on how the statue got there. At the bottom put an apology.

MoonlitKnight

(1,584 posts)
43. Please rethink the idea of confederate museums
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:42 PM
Jun 2020

Do we have a Benedict Arnold museum?
If anything it would be like WW2 museums that show the criminality of traitors. Like Holocaust museums and the ones in Europe like in Warsaw that show the Nazi and Soviet atrocities so we never forget. And they don’t have statues.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,886 posts)
47. I have mixed feelings.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:58 PM
Jun 2020

These were not people to be glorified but it's dangerous to rewrite history. We need to remember the mistakes of the past. Erasing them leaves us vulnerable to making them all over again.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
49. Why statues of losers? Put up Grant and Sherman statues in every city in the South, as a reminder
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:32 PM
Jun 2020

... of who won the war, they should never forget to never repeat it

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
50. Tear them down. Melt them down.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:35 PM
Jun 2020

No trophies for racists and traitors.

No putting that shit in museums either.

Melt them down.

ibegurpard

(16,685 posts)
52. They don't belong in prominent public places
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:07 PM
Jun 2020

And should be removed.
I'm not comfortable with their destruction however. In a museum with context explaining their notoriety perhaps?

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