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Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 01:56 PM Jun 2020

John Kelly responds to Trump saying he fired Mattis: "The president did not fire him..."





Kaitlan Collins
@kaitlancollins

John Kelly on Trump's tweets claiming he fired Mattis:

“The president did not fire him. He did not ask for his resignation. The president has clearly forgotten how it actually happened or is confused
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John Kelly responds to Trump saying he fired Mattis: "The president did not fire him..." (Original Post) Mrs. Overall Jun 2020 OP
Drip, Drip, Drip nt leftieNanner Jun 2020 #1
"Wherefore Art Thou, My Generals?" brooklynite Jun 2020 #3
Or is lying. thucythucy Jun 2020 #2
+1000 sinkingfeeling Jun 2020 #34
Can't these people just say "he is lying?" SoonerPride Jun 2020 #4
Trump's own words GusBob Jun 2020 #5
OMG! Now Kelly! grumpyduck Jun 2020 #6
LOL. Obama didn't fire Mattis either. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #7
Looks like the military ScratchCat Jun 2020 #8
Maybe they'll dump him at the convention? sop Jun 2020 #10
Only when the "GOP money men" conclude ScratchCat Jun 2020 #15
Some would say the GOP is at that point now. sop Jun 2020 #16
I'm not sure the "GOP money men" exist except as part of a larger gang erronis Jun 2020 #27
"Revenge is a dish best served cold." sop Jun 2020 #9
I do not like John Kelly. Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 #11
Is it just me, or did that have the rhythm of "Green Eggs And Spam"? erronis Jun 2020 #31
Theodore Geisel lives! nt Tommy_Carcetti Jun 2020 #32
Just Another Disgruntled Former Employee. jayfish Jun 2020 #12
Here we go... agingdem Jun 2020 #13
I with the "supposedly" distinguished .. stopdiggin Jun 2020 #21
DAMN YOU GUYS!!!!! MyOwnPeace Jun 2020 #30
Trump also didn't name him "Mad Dog" Renew Deal Jun 2020 #14
Yep. Trump lies about everything. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #23
He is not confused. SamKnause Jun 2020 #17
John Kelly can go to Hell PJMcK Jun 2020 #18
POS stopdiggin Jun 2020 #22
First, the Marines (Mattis and Kelly) storm the beaches.... Sogo Jun 2020 #19
you were around him enough to know that he's probably just fucking lying, general fishwax Jun 2020 #20
Mattis resigned in protest because of trump's actions on Syria mnmoderatedem Jun 2020 #24
Third alternative: tRump knows exactly what happened & is lying for political gain at expense of US. Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2020 #25
The word you are looking for, Mr. Kelly... Grins Jun 2020 #26
The President Forgot? JGug1 Jun 2020 #28
Confused? tRump is full of it. Just say it. SammyWinstonJack Jun 2020 #29
the illegal occupant of the White House didn't forget anything, he LIED as he has done for 3 1/2 iluvtennis Jun 2020 #33
Or cannabis_flower Jun 2020 #35
ASSFACE is "confused" and a LIAR. Cha Jun 2020 #36
You wanna help, sir? Mr. Ected Jun 2020 #37

SoonerPride

(12,286 posts)
4. Can't these people just say "he is lying?"
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:00 PM
Jun 2020

Why all the deference and excuse making?

He’s forgotten
He’s confused


No. Fuck that.

He is a goddamned liar. Full stop.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,656 posts)
7. LOL. Obama didn't fire Mattis either.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:04 PM
Jun 2020

His Lardship also forgets that he was the one who hired Mattis in the first place, praised him lavishly and loved his nickname, "Mad Dog," which Trump didn't give him - another lie - but which Mattis has had (and hasn't liked) since about 2004. Funny how Trump hires all the best people and loves and praises them - as long as they praise him. The minute they stray, they become horrible, incompetent people.

ScratchCat

(1,977 posts)
8. Looks like the military
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:05 PM
Jun 2020

is done with Trump. Maybe his suggestion to use them to combat unarmed American citizens was the last straw for the brass?

The likelihood that Trump exits the WH before November is growing stronger by the day.

ScratchCat

(1,977 posts)
15. Only when the "GOP money men" conclude
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jun 2020

that Trump's presence has a good chance of causing significant "down ballot harm", do they drop him. I say this because the GOP didn't expect him to win and actually likes "playing defense" better than trying to govern - so it it was just Trump losing, that's one thing. If a dozen Senators and several Governors are looking at defeat, that is a much larger problem.

erronis

(15,216 posts)
27. I'm not sure the "GOP money men" exist except as part of a larger gang
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 04:09 PM
Jun 2020

There is a lot of money going to different groups that can disrupt normal US governance.

One of those disruptive groups is, of course, the (r)epuglicons. Federal, state, and probably local.

The figurehead for disruption is djt who is no more a repuglicon than a thinking/caring human.

We all know about other disruptives such as the NRA, the Federalist Society, K-Street brown-nosers.

Question is: Where does this money come from?
- Rich US donors? Citizens who hate the country since it started taking care of its people?
- Non-national capitalists who couldn't care if a country collapses or not since they'll profit?
- State-sponsored interference with the ability to control money flows and have an enmity to the US?

sop

(10,137 posts)
9. "Revenge is a dish best served cold."
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:06 PM
Jun 2020

Trump trashed so many of his former administration officials on the way out, I'm sure many of them have been waiting for this moment for quite some time.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,157 posts)
11. I do not like John Kelly.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:09 PM
Jun 2020

Not before his time with Trump, during his time with Trump, or after Trump. He proved himself to be a shameless opportunist on more than one occasion.

However, notwithstanding that--I don't doubt him when it comes this issue.

I think he knows a whole hell of a lot about the bodies that are buried when it comes to Trump.

erronis

(15,216 posts)
31. Is it just me, or did that have the rhythm of "Green Eggs And Spam"?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 04:18 PM
Jun 2020

I do not like John Kelly.
I do not like him one bit.
I do not like him before Trump.
I do not like him after Trump.
But I will accept his word when he talks about this,
Because he can help find the skeletons that exist
that have been buried by these mobists.

jayfish

(10,038 posts)
12. Just Another Disgruntled Former Employee.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:09 PM
Jun 2020

Until current members of the administration comes out against Trump publicly and then resign this means jack squat.

agingdem

(7,827 posts)
13. Here we go...
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:13 PM
Jun 2020

Kelly and Mattis playing a game of CYA...each was complicit...don't forget John Kelly may have spent his tenure face-planting but he was very much on board with babies in cages, a border wall, the Muslim ban.....how did these two supposedly distinguished military men not get that working for this depraved sociopath would end in disaster?..at this juncture their "no way did we ever support trump's lunacy" is bullshit

stopdiggin

(11,285 posts)
21. I with the "supposedly" distinguished ..
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 03:08 PM
Jun 2020

In fact .. with pretty much everything you've said.
Shameless opportunists (and military command is certainly not immune) with little real regard for either their troops, or their country (IMO)
But people are great at rationalizing their own motivations and interests ...

Having said that .. even at this very late juncture .. I'll take anyone who is willing to come forward and tell what they know. Even if I'm holding my nose while doing it.

MyOwnPeace

(16,923 posts)
30. DAMN YOU GUYS!!!!!
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 04:15 PM
Jun 2020

You're BOTH right (it's two, two, two brains in one) ((Sorry, Wrigley!)).

They were both quite content to ride their "Rose Bowl Float" into the White House and accept whatever job BunkerBoy offered them - only to find out that they were being used for their title and history in service. At that point it seems that they were working to use their position to try to have some input into the "correct" way to achieve "the mission" - as they understood it to be.

Unfortunately, like so many others, they realized only too late that they were serving under a fool - a "volcano," as it were, who would just spew shit on anybody and everybody, no matter who and where you were.

Like SO many others, they get in line and tell tales about how BunkerBoy screwed them over - along with the United States of America.

Yes, ALL testimony against BunkerBoy helps, but the true mission must be to GET OUT THE VOTE! This time it matters (yeah, I know, it did last time too - but complacency set in and who would have EVER thought............).

Caliman73

(11,726 posts)
23. Yep. Trump lies about everything.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 03:18 PM
Jun 2020

Mad Dog was the name given by the Marines under his command, and it is considered a good thing even if Mattis didn't like it. The other name Chaos, was Mattis' call sign during Operation Iraqi Freedom, also not a pejorative.

Trump is usually ignorant of information, and he doesn't care.

PJMcK

(22,022 posts)
18. John Kelly can go to Hell
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 02:26 PM
Jun 2020

He can never be forgiven for his comments about Congreswoman, Frederica Wilson.

He said, "A congresswoman stood up, and in a long tradition of empty barrels making the most noise, stood up there in all of that and talked about how she was instrumental in getting the funding for that building."

He was wrong on the facts and his racism shone brightly. Of course, he never apologized.

stopdiggin

(11,285 posts)
22. POS
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 03:13 PM
Jun 2020

but of course he jumped at the chance to work for the biggest stinking pile that has ever held office.

Tells ya' somethin' right there ...

mnmoderatedem

(3,722 posts)
24. Mattis resigned in protest because of trump's actions on Syria
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 03:41 PM
Jun 2020

rump forced him to leave earlier than his designated leave date. rump probably references this to rationalize this latest lie of his.

Grins

(7,203 posts)
26. The word you are looking for, Mr. Kelly...
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 04:09 PM
Jun 2020

...is not “confused” nor “ forgotten “.

It is “LIAR!”

You are welcome.

JGug1

(320 posts)
28. The President Forgot?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 04:10 PM
Jun 2020

Kelly left out the third option that Trump is lying. Of course, it isn't really a lie because Trump believes what he is saying.

iluvtennis

(19,843 posts)
33. the illegal occupant of the White House didn't forget anything, he LIED as he has done for 3 1/2
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 04:21 PM
Jun 2020

years. Where are we at 18,000 lies and counting since January 2017.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
37. You wanna help, sir?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 04:57 PM
Jun 2020

Take off the gloves and then start punching.

These lightweight jabs at Trump only set him up to spike it back.

Hit him where it hurts. Lead us to the bodies. Drip. Drip. Drip.

Otherwise, you were a part of the problem and continue to be so.

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