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MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:42 PM Jun 2020

What would happen if trump's military fired live rounds into protesters?

Would Congress call emergency session? Nothing would be done by DOJ except covering and gaslighting. What would be the consequences? The firing on the peaceful protesters, clearing of St. John's... milley is just another trump lap dog, and a disgrace. No consequences for milley following trump's order to clear a path to St. John's, or maybe it was milley's order... Seriously, what would be the consequences of live rounds? As far as I can tell, there would be no consequences. Shadow force set loose in DC... There are calls for identification, if there is refusal to comply, then what? Nothing. I've never been more frightened for those out protesting.

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What would happen if trump's military fired live rounds into protesters? (Original Post) MerryBlooms Jun 2020 OP
Could you BE any more transparent? ZZenith Jun 2020 #1
I don't know, maybe. MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #4
Whoops! Sorry - wrong thread. ZZenith Jun 2020 #7
We've heard that song before... Wounded Bear Jun 2020 #2
It's hard to stop crying today. MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #5
Beat me to it - GMTA. The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #20
This might bring a few of those Republican Senators out of their hidey holes leftieNanner Jun 2020 #3
Me too. It's so hard today. Looking at all the pictures and the MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #9
Yeah, they must really be reading/following the play book on how to make a totalitarian state. RKP5637 Jun 2020 #13
trump or one of his cronies seem to be in daily contact with Putin or his surrogates. MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #33
They think they are going to get positions of power if tRump and Putin bring down the US. n/t RKP5637 Jun 2020 #49
It appears we are already in the firm grip of putin. These daily MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #50
Susan would raise her concern level slightly. gibraltar72 Jun 2020 #43
From 'eh' to 'meh'? MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #48
As bad as things are, don't think that will happen. However, it's not impossible. Hoyt Jun 2020 #6
I'm so scared for the people in the streets, never felt this sort of fear before. MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #10
To answer your question, that would be the end of Trump PJMcK Jun 2020 #8
It would make a horrible movie-of-the-week. MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #11
It is possible - hopefully not probable people Jun 2020 #14
When guardsmen killed civilians at Kent State in 1970 it was accepted. former9thward Jun 2020 #19
Yes, this is why I'm asking what the consequences or action MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #24
The stain remains to this day PJMcK Jun 2020 #30
tRump would break out the champagne to toast with Barr. Seriously, I doubt RKP5637 Jun 2020 #12
There is global outcry already, and I'm relieved to see it, but MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #17
I don't quite get why he has all of these special soldiers/police whatever at the WH. RKP5637 Jun 2020 #22
And, they've blocked access to St. John's. MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #27
He'd get away with it Nature Man Jun 2020 #15
Yes, that's my fear. I don't know why today my fear is so intense, MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #18
We could call on the UN I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #16
I hadn't considered the UN stepping in... Can you imagine seeing MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #21
The US Ambassador would just veto any attempt DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2020 #35
The UN could still issue a statement condemning such a horrific action though, yes? MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #37
The General Assembly could I believe DetroitLegalBeagle Jun 2020 #39
Thank you for the information, really appreciate it. MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #41
They'll just club them senseless, tear gas them, tase them, shoot them with non-lethal rounds, sop Jun 2020 #23
Well if UN people get tortured I_UndergroundPanther Jun 2020 #26
Most of your list is already being deployed Wednesdays Jun 2020 #28
All the pictures of the horrible injuries of police firing rubber bullets into the faces MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #29
They've blinded a few. sop Jun 2020 #36
Yes, I read an article about a reporter being fired on and she lost an eye. MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #38
The GOP would offer up thoughts and prayers. tinrobot Jun 2020 #25
I believe they'd continue to duck and dodge and claim to be late for lunch. MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #32
Same thing that happened after May 4th, 1970 DeminPennswoods Jun 2020 #31
Yes, exactly. MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #34
this country would blow up gopiscrap Jun 2020 #40
Legally though, I don't know what would happen next, that's what I'm wondering... MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #44
Our cities would explode, the rightwing militias would celebrate. beachbumbob Jun 2020 #42
So, we're left with hoping trump doesn't escalate his crimes against us. MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #45
Did you notice that the Con spoke about Second Amendment Rights? n/t malaise Jun 2020 #46
Yes, white people grab your guns! MerryBlooms Jun 2020 #47

leftieNanner

(15,080 posts)
3. This might bring a few of those Republican Senators out of their hidey holes
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:45 PM
Jun 2020

It's all very frightening.

I'm more worried about Barr's personal Police Force without any insignias or badges.

I hope we don't find out.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
9. Me too. It's so hard today. Looking at all the pictures and the
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:50 PM
Jun 2020

funeral for Mr. Floyd. So many tears and my chest hurts.

RKP5637

(67,102 posts)
13. Yeah, they must really be reading/following the play book on how to make a totalitarian state.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:57 PM
Jun 2020

I'm sure Putin is coaching tRump and Barr.,

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
33. trump or one of his cronies seem to be in daily contact with Putin or his surrogates.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:25 PM
Jun 2020

The GOP continues to be silent and complicit.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
50. It appears we are already in the firm grip of putin. These daily
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 11:11 PM
Jun 2020

consults are evidence of darker days to come. Nothing stopping them, and the GOP continues marches by insisting they don't have time, because they're late for lunch.

PJMcK

(22,025 posts)
8. To answer your question, that would be the end of Trump
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:49 PM
Jun 2020

There is no way the vast majority of Americans would accept American soldiers killing American civilians. None.

Further, do you think any soldier would obey an illegal order?!

Your scenario would make for a great movie-of-the-week. But it's not realistic.

Remember, there are far more nefarious ways for Trump's cadre to seize and maintain power...

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
11. It would make a horrible movie-of-the-week.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:52 PM
Jun 2020

None of the crap trump and his cronies pull is realistic, but it's happening every day.

former9thward

(31,970 posts)
19. When guardsmen killed civilians at Kent State in 1970 it was accepted.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:04 PM
Jun 2020

And Nixon was reelected in a landslide.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
24. Yes, this is why I'm asking what the consequences or action
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:14 PM
Jun 2020

would be taken. Would that fall to Congress to meet and is there anything they could do other than condemn the violence against American citizens?

RKP5637

(67,102 posts)
12. tRump would break out the champagne to toast with Barr. Seriously, I doubt
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:55 PM
Jun 2020

something like this would happen. The global outcry would be tremendous.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
17. There is global outcry already, and I'm relieved to see it, but
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:02 PM
Jun 2020

the violent rhetoric from trump has only increased. I used to doubt it would happen again, but now I just don't know.

RKP5637

(67,102 posts)
22. I don't quite get why he has all of these special soldiers/police whatever at the WH.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:12 PM
Jun 2020

It's really strange ... and with no identification. Maybe he's going to make them his special palace guards with special uniforms so he can brag about it to Kim and Putin. ... how much lower can it go.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
27. And, they've blocked access to St. John's.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:19 PM
Jun 2020

If lawmakers can't force identification of trump's stormtroopers, then what? I don't know where this is heading, but it's so frightening. And yes, so low, but I don't ask 'What next?', or 'How low can they go?', anymore, because the next hour they'll crawl under the low bar and we're thrown into yet another surreal episode.

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
16. We could call on the UN
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 05:59 PM
Jun 2020

To send peacekeepers here.
They already know many people live in shocking poverty in America.

They know abusive shit is happening here.
Someone could ask for intervention.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
21. I hadn't considered the UN stepping in... Can you imagine seeing
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:11 PM
Jun 2020

UN peacekeepers in DC? Now that would be a sight to really send trump into his bunker!

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,919 posts)
35. The US Ambassador would just veto any attempt
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:31 PM
Jun 2020

The US has permanent veto power on the Security Council. It cannot be overruled. The UN will never physically intervene in any of the 5 Permanent Security Council members affairs.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
37. The UN could still issue a statement condemning such a horrific action though, yes?
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:38 PM
Jun 2020

Do you think they would, or would it be up to each individual country's leader to make their own statements? I heard Trudeau's recent statement... Measured, but left no doubt Canada's condemnation.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(1,919 posts)
39. The General Assembly could I believe
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:49 PM
Jun 2020

I know the Permanent members can veto anything that comes up in the Security Council, but I don't think that power extends to the General Assembly. Likely because the General Assembly cannot pass anything binding on countries. Anything binding or in the realm of security or peacekeeping operations must go through the Security Council.

sop

(10,146 posts)
23. They'll just club them senseless, tear gas them, tase them, shoot them with non-lethal rounds,
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:14 PM
Jun 2020

drive over them with police vehicles, trample them with horses, sic police dogs on them, hover large helicopters overhead, hit them with shields, slam them into the ground, arrest them by the thousands, toss them in jail, fine them.....

Why bother killing them?

I_UndergroundPanther

(12,463 posts)
26. Well if UN people get tortured
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:18 PM
Jun 2020

The world will step up and clean out the republican mess. Trump will have many countries ready to kick republican ass.

And he will have no place to hide and will be taken to the hague,and face real justice along with republicans that aid and abet him. They are not only threats to our country only btw.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
29. All the pictures of the horrible injuries of police firing rubber bullets into the faces
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:22 PM
Jun 2020

of protesters and even media... They are aiming for faces and I believe, and want to kill.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
32. I believe they'd continue to duck and dodge and claim to be late for lunch.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 06:24 PM
Jun 2020

The cowards wouldn't even admit they'd seen trump's church stunt.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
44. Legally though, I don't know what would happen next, that's what I'm wondering...
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 08:21 PM
Jun 2020

Civil lawsuits, maybe? DOJ has basically declared an enemy of the state. I don't know if Congress has the power to do anything except meet and condemn his actions. Forget about coward GOP reps and sens condemning trump and his militia in DC, so it would be party lines. We saw Our military, park police, and whatever the heck those DOJ militia guys are, clearing Lafayette Park for trump's photo op, and then that coward milley scapegoating and blubbering... milley is there to do trump's bidding... No one tear gassed and fired 'non lethal weapons' on our US citizens without orders. It just all seems hopeless and incredibly frightening.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
45. So, we're left with hoping trump doesn't escalate his crimes against us.
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 08:24 PM
Jun 2020

November seems so far away. omg.

MerryBlooms

(11,761 posts)
47. Yes, white people grab your guns!
Thu Jun 4, 2020, 08:29 PM
Jun 2020

He's such a horrible creature. Each day worse than the one before.

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