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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy do some here call Lindsey Graham "Miss Lindsey?"
He does not strike me as being effeminate.
SiliconValley_Dem
(1,656 posts)Archae
(46,345 posts)But not effeminate.
Funtatlaguy
(10,886 posts)ms liberty
(8,595 posts)There may be some blue haired old ladies in Charleston or Savannah who think he's just a confirmed batchelor, but that's only because thinking the alternative would give them the vapours.
HipChick
(25,485 posts)has hanging over his head..
Known secret in DC and his home state...
It's all over Twitter now too..
SharonAnn
(13,778 posts)Gay doesn't necessarily mean overtly effeminate.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)when they are being employed against people we don't approve of.
MissB
(15,812 posts)msongs
(67,440 posts)frogmarch
(12,158 posts)I thought Democrats were better than that.
cayugafalls
(5,643 posts)We should be better than that...
Ms. Toad
(34,087 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)Lucinda
(31,170 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Calling, say, Ivanaka a bitch is literally the same intent as someone calling Warren a bitch. No different. Misogynistic language isn't "purified" if it's being used against a wingnut. It is still bigoted language.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Disappointing.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,430 posts)Lots of people on DU are fans of fatphobic talk, too.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)As evidenced by numerous comments in this thread.
crickets
(25,983 posts)FreeState
(10,580 posts)MLAA
(17,319 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)You just proved the point.
MLAA
(17,319 posts)PJMcK
(22,048 posts)Well played, Archae!
(wink)
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herding cats
(19,567 posts)It's because some folks assume he's gay and somehow bashing that makes them feel bigger. As if there's not enough to poke at Graham for at this point.
It disgust me.
Yeah, I went there.
marble falls
(57,182 posts)NRaleighLiberal
(60,019 posts)JustGene
(421 posts)blm
(113,086 posts)I first heard it on vacation in Pawleys Island in 1999.
Every time he casts a vote against gay rights it renews debate amongst activists in the state if they should out him or not. Outing is just not done there.
herding cats
(19,567 posts)This is 2020, More than two decade later. One would think we can discuss such issues without using slurs now. The world and the US have changed. Either we evolve or we succumb to the talking points of our opposition.
Can we agree on that?
blm
(113,086 posts)of the nickname that predates DU.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Just because someone LGBT says it, doesn't make it any better.
blm
(113,086 posts)Nowhere did I say it is not a slur.
I also dont presume to tell members of the LGBT community how they should address others.
Happy Hoosier
(7,385 posts)He does strike me that way, though I don't call him that, because that smacks of gay-baiting IMO.
Archetypist
(218 posts)There's plenty to critique people for on policy alone.
The empressof all
(29,098 posts)Even among some Progressives...Calling a Man "woman like" is the Greatest Insult. Probably even worse than being called Fat...
JustGene
(421 posts)BamaRefugee
(3,487 posts)If its ok with them.
FreeState
(10,580 posts)Its part of our cultures historic vernacular and its offensive.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,448 posts)Doesnt make him gay, though, as someone rightly pointed out up thread. I dont call him that name you mentioned in the OP. Its in poor taste.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Some can be gentle derision, like references here to what Trump eats and what that is doing to him.
Some are vile. They question a person's sexual orientation, truthfulness without justification.
Some are borderline, but when aimed at some people, most likely are ok. An example is questioning the true religious faith of Trump's spirature adviser, or that of Falwell at Liberty University, or Franklin Graham, ect.
Shaddox
(384 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)And if you are, why?
And, Graham is a man and IDs as male, so he isn't "Blanche Dubois." It is appalling you think that's okay.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Theres elements of truth in the nicks.
Personally I do find Lindsey Graham overly groomed and metrosexual. His own homophobic reluctance to come out of the closet ensured the appellation
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Wow.
JFC.
NYC Liberal
(20,136 posts)political opponents and then turn around and denounce the same bigotry coming from others.
themaguffin
(3,826 posts)He's hurting gay Americans and many others as well.
People are letting him know that they know.
Behind the Aegis
(53,980 posts)Heterosexism and homophobia are all too frequent among those where it should not be.
Kaleva
(36,340 posts)Over at that site, it's meant as a homophobic slur.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)BECAUSE IT IS A HOMOPHOBIC AND MISOGYNISTIC SLUR!
Kaleva
(36,340 posts)octoberlib
(14,971 posts)obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)People they consider enemies and the other, especially when they are closeted men.
It is disgusting, and should be alerted on every time, and posters doing it after being called out for it should be banned. Period.
Same for calling RW women bitches.
RandiFan1290
(6,242 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,402 posts)With the departure of so much of the diversity of this site in the past ten years, and especially during the 2016 primary season, it's turned into far more of a "boys club" than it's been in a long, long time.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)JHB
(37,161 posts)He always imitated Graham with an exaggerated Southern Belle voice
Buckeye_Democrat
(14,856 posts)I 'member it.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)became the nickname. He would get offended by Obama's tan suit or something equally ridiculous. Miss Pittypat was Scarlett O'Hara's aunt in Atlanta or from South Carolina, who got the vapors over anything. I think that was the nature of the slur, not sexuality.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)Aunt Pittypat was a woman. Graham is a man.
You cannot toss logic out because you don't think it is gross to call him this. Lots of fellow LGBT in this thread with me saying it is. IT IS.
Ilsa
(61,698 posts)Just my thoughts:
The character Pittypat, elderly with a antebellum mindset, was concerned more with social perceptions vs facing a changing world. Her endorsement of behavior was wishy-washy. That was a truth in a fictional story, and that wishy-washyness wrapped in a southern demeanor and gender divisions described LG perfectly. That's not misogynism. I wish I could think of a well known male fictional character with her characteristics to compare Graham to, which I would do, but no one comes to mind.
I'll be more sensitive to these perceptions and comparisons in the future, and I apologize for the aggravation I've caused.
ms liberty
(8,595 posts)Here in the Carolinas, and not by straight people, but by members of the LGBTQ community. He has mannerisms that I have heard described as "prissy and pissy Miss Lindsey" (by a gay friend) which I would say has a somewhat different meaning than effeminate, which doesn't describe him, IMO. I would agree with the "prissy and pissy" as a description of his personality, but I don't use those kind of terms because I'm not a gay man in the Carolinas, and it's not a good look for an ally of any minority to use slurs in discussions. I don't necessarily fault anyone who does though; and I don't think it's my job to police the language of my gay friends, so they get no grief from me about it. My straight friends would hear a discussion of better terms and phrases to use.
obamanut2012
(26,137 posts)I know many of my fellow LGBT who use sexist language, who throw around "faggot" and "twink" as slurs. They are not excused from this, and neither are you, for not condemining their slurs, but shrugging them away.
ms liberty
(8,595 posts)At least no one who would use them in front of me, so don't associate me or my friends with those; that one's on you and your friends. It's not my job to stop you, you can be as judgmental, inflexible and rigid as you choose about whatever you want, and you're making judgments on a lot of people you don't know in this thread. And all without any knowledge of the circumstances or context of those whose responses you condemn. How much glass in that house you're in right now? Are you so pure that you should be casting so many stones?
blm
(113,086 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,081 posts)irisblue
(33,021 posts)LiberalFighter
(51,081 posts)irisblue
(33,021 posts)Still a slur.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Has nothing to do with gay or not gay, but I don't use the expression because many see it as a slur.