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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPaul Krugman on a Trump military coup and GOP cheerleaders
The modern G.O.P., however, is nothing like that. Many of its leading figures people like Senator Tom Cotton are every bit as authoritarian and anti-democratic as Trump himself.
The rest, with hardly any exceptions, are loyal apparatchiks, intimidated into obedience by an angry base. This base gets its information from Fox and Facebook and basically lives in an alternate reality, in which protesters demonstrating peacefully against police brutality are actually a radical horde that will begin a violent insurrection any minute now.
The point is that todays Republican Party wouldnt object to a Trumpian power grab, even if it amounted to a military coup. On the contrary, the party would cheer it on.
[link:https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/04/opinion/trump-nixon.html|
Emphasis mine
You can certainly see this in how the cowardly fascist fuckers are trying to duck any questions about Trump shitting all over the constitution at the moment.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)They became convinced some time ago. This is conservative David Frum, who told us what was happening and warned of the enormous battle for power that was already underway. And that many others had been observing and warning of.
The danger isn't only from the right. It's augmented by weakness on the left among people believe the scoundrels who tell them they have nothing good to vote for. Polls show dangerous percentages of extremely stupid people are willing to kick over the democracy table to see if what came next would be any better. Maybe a wonderful new socialist world, who knows?
We do know. What would come next is an authoritarian RW government that is already extremely powerful and entrenched. And that George Floyd's police murder and the military rolling against citizens who object is merely a little preview of that brave new world.
empedocles
(15,751 posts)Maybe not. 6 months to go.
Trueblue Texan
(2,429 posts)...but let's not confuse people about an economic system, such as socialism and a political system, such as democracy. Two different types of systems. I think confusion about these concepts has fueled a lot of problems in our political culture.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)ABANDONING DEMOCRACY. You know, to abandon government of, by and for the people because they had been deceived into believing government OF, BY and FOR the people, had failed the people.
Of course, we know representative government's great weakness is those people who fail their duty to inform themselves and vote even marginally responsibly.
When Benjamin Franklin famously said the convention had created a democracy, "if you can keep it," he wasn't warning about capitalism but about the people whose behaviors decide the success and failure of EVERY form of government.
PatrickforO
(14,572 posts)It is quite profound. And it has certainly been proven true over the last three and a half years.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Their goal is self-enrichment; the corrosion of the rule of law is the necessary means. As a shrewd local observer explained to me on a visit to Hungary in early 2016, The main benefit of controlling a modern bureaucratic state is not the power to persecute the innocent. It is the power to protect the guilty.
SamKnause
(13,101 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,001 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)has been coopted by an organized band of Nihilists.
lark
(23,097 posts)They are co-conspirators in the destruction of the American working class/poor and our ideals..
Old Crow
(2,212 posts)panfluteman
(2,065 posts)And has resorted, first to cheating and voter suppression in elections, and now to strong arm authoritarian tactics.
Lonestarblue
(9,981 posts)Trump is known for pushing further and further to see what he can get away with. This experiment showed him that the current military leaders in his administration would go along with his wishes, even when they knew them to be wrong. I truly think that Trump was hoping for a Tiananmen Square situation so he could show how strong he is. Human lives mean nothing to Trump.
It was not until Mattis and other former military leaders spoke out that there was any pushback to Trumps plan to use the US military for political purposes. I truly believe it was a trial run for November. We can only hope that former military leaders speaking out against Trump will have an impact on current military leaders to take a step back from this precipice.
Texin
(2,596 posts)It'll work -- for a while. But they would be well to recall how that all worked in South African during Apartheid. It'll hold -- for a while. It did hold for about a hot minute, but after the oppressed minority population rose up in violence against the minority white population they lost their stranglehold on power. They saw the lands they had seized during their colonial ventures during the late nineteenth century reclaimed by the indigenous population, but not before burning the colonialists' properties to the ground and retaking what belonged to them to begin with.
The same will happen here. And the rethugs would also do well to remember that this population is well armed. Not everyone with a gun (including semi-automatic weapons) are right wing tRumpists.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)The military is not on your side. Others in the military are starting to communicate it is the Constitution that comes first.
Poiuyt
(18,123 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)appropriate yet, its use sabotages itself. They are using many classic fascistic tactics to gain power, and I'm with you of course in believing that left unchecked it would become dreadfully appropriate.
Fwiw, David Frum has gotten around this in his new book by creating a new word "fascoid," (not faschioid, and I'm imagining him brooding over pronounciation problem ). I haven't read it, but it clearly focuses a lot more on the very dangerous direction the Repub leaders are heading in this century.
Fascism has a natural partnership with business, but religious right extremists are determined to take control also. Who would win ultimate control? Secular money or Christian nationalists with money? My guess is a possible fascistic theocracy. There's a great deal of overlap of both among the wealthy and those who serve them, like Pence, Barr, Pompeo, Kavanaugh, Gorsuch and on and on and on. Inferior status for women is intrinsic to archconservative fascism, whether secular or religious. But how would at least 150M nonwhite and mixed-race people figure in for all these predominately white male supremacists?
And would it even become or remain a fascist state if religion lost and the wealthy didn't need to control the labor supply as in the past. Or would the nation we were born to ultimately be replaced with a brutal authoritarian state that allowed millions of unnecessary and unwanted people to live and die off as long as they obeyed when required and didn't cause trouble?
jaxexpat
(6,820 posts)Make them fight for every mm.
Javaman
(62,521 posts)The future of the gop...
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