"Spare Us Your 'Mad Dog' Mattis Worship" Wow, Rolling Stone has some insufferable writers.

[themaguffin]

It's bad enough the have Russia truther Matt Taibbi, but this too?

What the fuck? Nobody said anything about like Mattis, let alone worshipping him. Just because it gets a lot of attention, it doesn't make that true.

This really pisses me off, the coverage was warranted and the fact that it does not come from someone we celebrate is important too.

What the fucking fuck.

Fuck you Andy Kroll.

[link:https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/james-mattis-trump-mullen-allen-protests-white-house-constitution-police-1010164|

[KG]

1. I lulz'd

[agingdem]

2. He's right...

Mattis, Kelly et.al..they gave trump cover...where the hell were their voices when Trump was caging babies, stealing money for his detestable wall, issuing his Muslim ban...they were silent bc they agreed... only when their boss, a depraved sociopathic playground bully, took aim and fired insults at them did they resign, quit..whatever...what did Mattis say in his letter... something like find a yes-man to take my place because on this particular moronic point I don't agree with you (paraphrased)...Mattis isn't a hero for tepidly "speaking out"..he's a damn coward...

[themaguffin]

3. No, he's not "right." Nobody is dismissing the history.

[Blue_true]

19. The writer is right. People like Mattis are totally responsible for

the damage that Trump is doing to the country. They have disgraced themselves, IMO.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

4. Right now, if we shun the Mattises and Wills and Kristols of the country...

...for their past positions, we're only shooting ourselves in the foot.

Once things go back to normal, we can go back to disagreeing with these people.

Right now's the time to build a coalition, though.

People in Parliamentary governments probably get this better than we do.

[Mike 03]

8. Agree strongly

General Mattis actually did do some good while he was there. This is amply documented in Trump and his Generals by Peter Bergen. Mattis had a policy of ignoring Trump's orders, and told others to do likewise. Also, there is good backstory on Mattis in Woodward's book Fear.

Let's not toss the baby out with the bathwater.

[agingdem]

9. Mattis is not a never-trumper like

Kristol, Schmidt and Nicole Wallace have been from the onset...Mattis and Kelly were supposed to be the grownups in the room..think about that...why would supposedly distinguished retired generals take a job essentially babysitting if they weren't in line with Trump in the first place? and yes Mattis is speaking out now...thank you very much...but can we stop praising him for doing the right thing?

[HotTeaBag]

5. I get what you're saying, but it sort of feels like everyday

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there's another 'fuck Moore, fuck Mattis, fuck Kornacki, fuck Wilson, fuck Taibbi, fuck Sykes, fuck AOC, fuck Scaramucci, fuck Bernie, fuck Romney, fuck...".

At this rate all we're going to be left agreeing to like (until we're not) is Joy Reid - all of the people that we are turning our noses up at hate Trump as much as we do and want him gone. They also have power and/or influence (we have our votes but not much more) - Mattis is revered by the Marines and the military in general, and when he or Kelly speak out it gets A LOT of notice.

Holding everyone up to purity tests at this point is extremely counterproductive in my opinion if the goal is to get Trump as far away from the White House as possible.

[Silent3]

7. +1 n/t

[DrToast]

6. Taibbi is no longer with RS

[BannonsLiver]

10. I don't know why anyone would take RS seriously.

How many times has Justin Bieber and the Jonas Brothers been on the cover? It’s a shell of what it was in the 60s-80s.

[themaguffin]

11. What does that have to do with anything? They have always had Biebers on the cover.

[BannonsLiver]

12. A lot. The magazine is shit.

Have you picked up a copy in the last 25 years? Look, I’m not trying to get crossways with a Belieber, or Jonas Bro’s. fan, so no offense, but RS sucks and has for a long time.

[themaguffin]

13. That's not the fucking point. Jesus Christ.

[Blue_true]

20. The publication has had some very good writers.

I suspect that is the case now. Even recently it has done insightful journalism that we can't get for other media outside of the Washington Post and the Atlantic.

[gratuitous]

14. The old saw is that the newest converts are the loudest choir singers

It's heartening to see some Republicans and conservatives have reached their limit with this administration. While their pasts do not cut any ice with me, their voices may carry some weight and credibility with other conservatives. I decline to get invested in the conversion experiences of folks like Gen. Mattis, but I hope their words have an influence on others who still carry Trump's banner. The United States will continue to be sickened by the poisonous policies of this administration until it is fully out of the corridors of power.

[crickets]

15. Well said. Cuts right through the BS. nt

[uponit7771]

16. They're not converts that's the issue. They'll go back to supporting someone like Trump but not so

... overtly racist and self serving and economically one sided as soon as Trump is gone.

[Blue_true]

22. Bingo. That are starting to turn on him because he is making it harder

for them to have their way with government via his narcissism and incompetence.

[flotsam]

17. Yaah...No

We oppose him now? Not good enough.I could leave it there but the republic has been under attack since 2016 and last week you got it? Fuck off and die in disgrace-that is as much as you desrve.

[Blue_true]

23. I am pretty much where you are.

I admire Admiral McCraven, because he has been calling that orange asshole out since Day 1. People like Mattis, I can do without.

[betsuni]

18. It's that melodramatic black-or-white thinking.

If someone has been a Republican, it doesn't matter what they do now, they are bad. Everything is good or bad. Moral/pure or evil/corrupt. So encouraging a Republican who hates Trump is "worship." Why incremental progress is a big sin. And if you correct the same sort of person on disinformation or conspiracy theories they're repeating about Democrats, they reply, "Why do you think (Democrat's name) is perfect?"

And the rule of always assigning bad motivations to Democrats. That they are incapable of using Trump's enemies to accomplish a Democratic victory this year without being compromised, they'll mindlessly let themselves be influenced, "dragged to the right" or turn into Republicans or whatever.

It only helps Republicans.

[JI7]

21. In the end it seems like their goal is to help Republicans/Trump

They seem upset that Trump is being attacked or criticized.

So they prefer McConnell ?