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sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 05:30 PM Jun 2020

Stop Sharing Viral Photos Of Cops Kneeling With Protesters

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/shannonkeating/cops-kneeling-hugging-protesters-george-floyd-protests

On Tuesday, in downtown Manhattan, I watched a tense moment unfold between New Yorkers who’d taken to the streets in protest of police brutality and a large group of NYPD officers. Maybe about 20 to 30 protesters, outnumbered, were pushed up against the police line, chanting the names of George Floyd and Breonna Taylor. A looser web of onlookers, reporters, and photojournalists pooled around them, ready to bear witness to whatever happened next. “Remember who you are when you take off your uniform!” someone in the crowd yelled at the black officers in the line. The protesters were trying to engage the officers on a more personal level, encouraging them to stand down and and march beside them. When both sides of the line started raising their voices, organizers encouraged white allies to push to the front, and to use their bodies as shields from any potential police violence. In the middle of the fray, one black man who had been pleading with the police to understand his point of view offered a hug.

Seemingly out of nowhere, dozens of cameras started flashing and a large news video camera was hoisted over the heads in the crowd. Members of the media were quick to document what’s become an often-viral hallmark of the past decade of police brutality protests: imagery of white police officers embracing the black people they’ve been deployed to police.

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As the protests against police killings of black people continue to unfurl in staggering numbers across the country — and around the world — seemingly well-meaning white allies uncomfortable with the violent imagery of cops clashing with protesters are instead clogging their feeds with counterprogramming: photos of police officers kneeling with protesters or giving them hugs. If only everyone could just stop the “finger pointing,” put aside their differences, and recognize that we are all part of one race — the human race! — then perhaps, the thinking goes, we wouldn’t all be embroiled in yet another national uprising against state-sanctioned violence and bloodshed.

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The problem isn’t only one of context. Sharing images of police officers and protesters hugging it out suggests that antiblack racism and police brutality are best addressed with niceness, with one-on-one promises of understanding and care. But protesters aren’t out in the streets because they want individual police officers to be nicer to them. They’re angry that the US spends $100 billion annually on policing, making up anywhere from a third to 60% of entire local budgets — while health, education, housing, and other social services are frequently gutted. They’re angry that in cities like New York, it’s still legal for cops to use chokeholds, which have killed people like Eric Garner in police custody. They’re angry that, for decades, the military and police force have been infiltrated by covert white supremacists. They’re angry about qualified immunity, a legal doctrine which has long shielded officers from liability for using excessive force. They’re angry that police officers across the country are currently suiting up in state-of-the-art body armor and face visors while doctors and nurses on the frontlines of the coronavirus pandemic have been forced to do life-saving work in trash bags. They’re angry at a society that places more financial and symbolic value in policing than in funding our communities.




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Read the last paragraph.

They are not looking for a hug. They want an end to the systematic racism that is destroying their lives. The systematic racism in the PD, the courts, the police unions, in our government and in their daily lives.

Read the last paragraph. Read it and then read it again.
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Stop Sharing Viral Photos Of Cops Kneeling With Protesters (Original Post) sheshe2 Jun 2020 OP
Hope lives in many places. We have to be careful, but we have to see the hope too. Maru Kitteh Jun 2020 #1
++++ stillcool Jun 2020 #3
I agree with you, Maru. I want the light. sheshe2 Jun 2020 #7
At this point all police must be assumed Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #2
I don't think that's the right answer. There really ARE some good cops, and those are the ones we BComplex Jun 2020 #13
I would agree with you, Miguelito Loveless Jun 2020 #14
It's Copaganda. BlueTsunami2018 Jun 2020 #4
The same kneeling cops? matt819 Jun 2020 #10
ACAB. K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Jun 2020 #5
Fine with showing good and bad, as long as not misrepresented. People are smart enough to know what Hoyt Jun 2020 #6
If they get up from the kneel or release the hug and proceed to bash heads 15 minutes later cayugafalls Jun 2020 #8
Correct. nt sheshe2 Jun 2020 #9
+1, uponit7771 Jun 2020 #11
K and R Mosby Jun 2020 #12

Maru Kitteh

(28,340 posts)
1. Hope lives in many places. We have to be careful, but we have to see the hope too.
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 05:33 PM
Jun 2020

There are cracks in everything. That's how the light gets in.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,465 posts)
2. At this point all police must be assumed
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 05:34 PM
Jun 2020

hostile until substantive and systemic reform, including aggressive prosecution and punishment of criminal police officers.

BComplex

(8,049 posts)
13. I don't think that's the right answer. There really ARE some good cops, and those are the ones we
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 05:57 PM
Jun 2020

want to keep and encourage. You can't say "all cops are bad" anymore than they can say "all African Americans are bad". Life doesn't ever work that way. Never has. Still won't, because it just isn't true.

What needs to happen, is white people in particular need to start jamming city halls and county sheriff's departments and highway patrol offices across this country, and let them know we aren't going to put up with these abusive tactics, and we want the laws changed, and we want body cameras on every single cop. Cameras that are always on, if the cop is at work. We need to organize, and have people in every county in the country who are supported by a state wide organization with lawyers and politicians who get it. We need to trace the background and email and history of every officer to insure they are not with some racist group.

There have to be huge changes made in the mindset of policing departments everywhere, and I really feel like ESPECIALLY white activists need to step up and make the most noise about it, and let elected officials know we're going to judge their help in this at the ballot box.

The perception of some racists is that everyone who is white agrees with them. The protests for the past 11 days totally disproves that!! Decent people in this country of every race and color want to feel safe with those who are supposed to protect all of us, and if ANY LEO abuses his/her power with any person, they do it to all of us.

I'm so hoppin' mad right now at white people (I'm white) who are fighting these protests...all of them who are against these protests. I'm just so friggin' ashamed of stupid, racist, hateful white people. I'm so over it!!!

We need a nationwide network and a unified, coordinated approach to the laws and practices, and we need to keep at it until it's made right.

Miguelito Loveless

(4,465 posts)
14. I would agree with you,
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 11:09 PM
Jun 2020

in theory, but I have too much real world experience with the police (and I am white).

Aside from encounters where they showed their true character, from threatening me as a robbery victim, a child sexual assault victim, and finally even killing my mother (drunk undercover narc doing 70 in a 40, on duty). I just this week saw them murder a man while dozens of people watched, and then assault a man casually, and leave him to bleed to death on the sidewalk, again, while dozens of people watched.

They had ZERO fucks to give that people had just watched them commit murder and attempted murder.

I do not know what causes me to lose more sleep: The causal murder, or the rage-filled savagery when they lose all reason and gleefully beat a person to death.

And with the Buffalo cop, I though I had seen the evilest cop ever, until today, when 57 of his fellow officers quit their goon squad because they didn't think the two cops had done anything wrong, and the Union rep said the old man obviously fell.

These people have the power of life and death, liberty and freedom over us, so I don't think it unreasonable to hold them accountable. Yet almost every day, the police murder people, or lie them into prison. With impunity and no fear of consequence. And it didn't just start happening now, it has been going on for a century or more.

The benefit of a doubt has been rescinded. Law enforcement in this country must be reformed. Until it is, the public needs to treat them like the pariah they are.

BlueTsunami2018

(3,491 posts)
4. It's Copaganda.
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 05:38 PM
Jun 2020

There are tons of pictures and videos of cops kneeling and marching with protestors and then they turn around and violently break up the protests later.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
10. The same kneeling cops?
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 05:50 PM
Jun 2020

The fist bump in cops?

The hugging cops?

The cops who talk to the demonstrators?

Are those the ones swinging the batons?

Yes, it is beyond imagination that demonstrations protesting police brutality are met with ... police brutality. But it’s not wrong to acknowledge the few who aren’t engaging in brutality. Cops for whom protecting and serving is integral to their jobs and their lives.

Will one hug or one fist bump or one shared kneeling change everything? Probably not. But if it makes a difference to the cop and to the demonstrator and the community they live in, that’s not a bad thing.

And, no, it doesn’t excuse the knock-down of that older guy in Buffalo or the Battle of Lafayette Park or the temple university beat-down or the continuing brutalities across the country.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
6. Fine with showing good and bad, as long as not misrepresented. People are smart enough to know what
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 05:39 PM
Jun 2020

is going on. Some don't care, some just want to see change.

cayugafalls

(5,640 posts)
8. If they get up from the kneel or release the hug and proceed to bash heads 15 minutes later
Fri Jun 5, 2020, 05:46 PM
Jun 2020

What's the point?

The problem is systemic racism and a culture of violence. Hugging it out is not going to cure anything.

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