On this day in 1944 ANTIFA thugs attacked some 'very good people' on the beaches of Normandy

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[jmg257]

1. Sheesh how many times are we gonna see this same stupid comparison?

Antifa DOES NOT EQUAL US forces fighting in WW2.

Were we fighting facist? Sure!
Antifa is not US forces fighting in Germany. or France, or Belgium, or Africa, or Italy, or the Pacific. We wanted to overturn Hitler's govt, not our own.

Antifa, short for anti-fascist, is an amorphous movement of people who are opposed to fascism. They do not comprise an organized group, do not have a visible leadership, and acknowledge that they are secretive, so it is impossible to know how many people even count themselves as members. Anti-fascists lean strongly toward the left of the political spectrum, and many of them refer to themselves as socialists, anarchists, communists, or anti-capitalists.

[Thomas Hurt]

2. While you are correct, I think the issue is this...

we should neither beatify or demonize them. Why is that happening and why are we not determining whether they are really good allies?

IMO Trump is a modern fascist and his base are largely christofascists who fully intend to install a christian theocracy here. They have been trying since the Reagan admin.

Antifa wants to resist that, more power to them, as long as they are not violent.

[jmg257]

7. As long as they are not violent, or anarchists...then fine.

As long as they’re promoting peaceful protest against injustice and fascists fine.

Want to slap some white supremacy asshole - fine. But anarchy? Screw that.

[zipplewrath]

3. Neither does Antifa

Antifa doesn't want to over throw the US government. I'll admit they aren't always their biggest fans though.

[jmg257]

8. Do you have their charter or whatever? Curious

Just what they want.

[11 Bravo]

14. Umm, they're ANARCHISTS. Pretty sure they don't have a fucking charter. Also:

[jmg257]

15. Ha - Shirley not when it comes to anarchists - fuck em.

[11 Bravo]

17. Now you've gone too far!

[Squinch]

10. Have you ever met anyone from antifa? Have you ever seen a publication from them?

Have you ever heard of a friend of a friend who was a member? Have you ever gotten any information about them that didn't originate with the right wing?

If so, please share it. If not, how do we know what "antifa wants?"

[jmg257]

16. Thanks - just asked for another one. I did read one, and other info provided here. Always curious.

Antifa, short for anti-fascist, is an amorphous movement of people who are opposed to fascism. They do not comprise an organized group, do not have a visible leadership, and acknowledge that they are secretive, so it is impossible to know how many people even count themselves as members. Anti-fascists lean strongly toward the left of the political spectrum, and many of them refer to themselves as socialists, anarchists, communists, or anti-capitalists.

Antifa, short for anti-fascist, is an amorphous movement of people who are opposed to fascism. They do not comprise an organized group, do not have a visible leadership, and acknowledge that they are secretive, so it is impossible to know how many people even count themselves as members. Anti-fascists lean strongly toward the left of the political spectrum, and many of them refer to themselves as socialists, anarchists, communists, or anti-capitalists. The positions of various antifa groups can also be difficult to define, but many of them support oppressed community members and protest against amassing of wealth by corporations.

Some antifa movements date their origins to the battle against European fascism in the 1920s and ’30s. The BBC cited Mark Bray, the author of “Antifa: The Anti-Fascist Handbook,” as an authority in noting that “[Bray] says the modern American Antifa movement began in the 1980s with a group called Anti-Racist Action. Its members confronted neo-Nazi skinheads at punk gigs in the American Midwest and elsewhere. By the early 2000s the Antifa movement was mostly dormant — until the rise of Donald Trump and the alt-right.”

Antifa groups are not monolithic and employ a range of tactics. Many condemn the use of violence, but according to BBC News, some groups engage in aggressive confrontations, especially with far-right groups on the streets. Extreme factions have carried pepper spray, bricks, knives, and chains with them.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-antifa-terrorist/

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1en7RmfNttXrBKDv7f2dqDNyh8i7ZrXvL/view

[Squinch]

19. But the original questions still apply. Have you ever met, or

heard about, or heard about someone who heard about, anyone who was a member of antifa?

Snopes is citing things that have been in the news. But where did those news pieces come from?

And if antifa exists, shouldn't ONE of them, just once, have admitted membership or been outed SOMEWHERE? SOMETIME?

Shouldn't even one person here on Democratic Underground have had come contact with them? Shouldn't someone anywhere know of them first hand?

[jmg257]

21. Nope - I dont know any - very unlikely I would way up here in the sticks. Point taken, though.

Yes - seems plenty here referring to Antifa - so I figure plenty here would know more?

[Squinch]

22. But even in the sticks, if it was truly an influential

terrorist group, isn't it very strange that you have never read about a terrorist action that was credibly attributed to them?

That no newspaper reporter anywhere has ever uncovered one of their cells or the names of any of their members or any of their plans for nefarious acts?

That even Snopes has nothing on them but generic stuff like the fact that they're amorphous and unorganized and secret and maybe they started way back in the 30s, but other than that nothing is really known?

[jmg257]

23. Makes sense - thanks for the insights!

[jmg257]

18. Heres some more info...

https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounders/who-are-antifa

Antifa: Definition and History:

The anti-fascist protest movement known as antifa gained new prominence in the United States after the white supremacist Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, VA, in August 2017. In Charlottesville and at many subsequent events held by white supremacists or right-wing extremists, antifa activists have aggressively confronted what they believe to be authoritarian movements and groups. While most counter-protestors tend to be peaceful, there have been several instances where encounters between antifa and the far-right have turned violent.
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Antifa is not a unified group; it is loose collection of local/regional groups and individuals. Their presence at a protest is intended to intimidate and dissuade racists, but the use of violent measures by some antifa against their adversaries can create a vicious, self-defeating cycle of attacks, counter-attacks and blame. This is why most established civil rights organizations criticize antifa tactics as dangerous and counterproductive.
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Antifa: Scope and Tactics:

Today's antifa argue they are the on-the-ground defense against individuals they believe are promoting fascism in the United States. However, antifa, who have many anti-police anarchists in their ranks, can also target law enforcement with both verbal and physical assaults because they believe the police are providing cover for white supremacists. They will sometimes chant against fascism and against law enforcement in the same breath.

[LeftInTX]

24. I know a few

One is a scary bully


The others are annoying. "You can't enter this meeting unless you denounce xxxxxx" ( It was a meeting for International Women's Day..Antifa is a part of it here. They are peaceful with regards to Women's Day, but I find their militancy off putting. We stopped going to the meetings and didn't participate.

[Music Man]

11. I understand your point that Antifa and the U.S. military are not one-to-one comparisons as entities

But as long as the ideology of fascism and Nazism is given oxygen, I will appreciate the sentiment that fighting it is inherently what good Americans do, be it from a formal military organization or an informal protest movement.

[jmg257]

13. Protests - great. All for it. Rioting, Anarchy, no way.

[MaryMagdaline]

4. K&R

[WyattKansas]

5. I remember seeing old labor union pamplets from the 50s and 60s that said what they were against.

FASCISM was clearly stated in their literature, along with communism and others.

It was once considered anti-American to be a fascist, yet the GOP wears it like a badge of honor today.

[greatauntoftriplets]

6. My father was one of them, though late to the party, on day 6.

He was mostly a Republican until 1981 when he fast regretted voting for Reagan the first time. For the next eight years of his life, he was a strong Democrat. To be fair to him, he was raised by Republican parents and grandparents.

[jmg257]

9. Think he would join Antifa?

Can guarantee my pop wouldn’t.

[TheBlackAdder]

12. Looks like Trump & Kayleign McEnany keep good company--all three seem to be vote fraudsters.

[CurtEastPoint]

20. Can't we just call her McNinny. I HATE HER STUPID FIRST NAME. SO pretentious and affected.

[dustyscamp]

25. Trump and Co would be complaining about these brave guys

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