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StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 09:33 PM Jun 2020

"White Shield!"

This is both over-the-top depressing and extraordinarily inspiring at the same time ...

The fact that this is necessary and that it actually works makes me wanna hollah while the fact that our white allies are willing to literally throw their bodies between us and danger makes me wanna hug all of them.


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"White Shield!" (Original Post) StarfishSaver Jun 2020 OP
That is telling. n/t 5X Jun 2020 #1
"THUGS! LOOTERS! RIOTERS!" *white people take point* "Playful scamps... sport celebration, right?" ck4829 Jun 2020 #2
... StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #3
brilliant idea AlexSFCA Jun 2020 #4
Do you understand now, why they didn't want a "community organizer" for president? Cracklin Charlie Jun 2020 #13
Wow, the fact that this actually works proves racism Ohioboy Jun 2020 #5
Exactly StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #6
Police behavior changed? BobTheSubgenius Jun 2020 #7
Unfortunately, plenty of people are surprised by this StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #8
I know white privilege exists Ohioboy Jun 2020 #15
Did you see the video of the police harassing the young black man in front of his apartment? StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #17
Did not see that, but I'm sure it happens all the time Ohioboy Jun 2020 #18
I can't count how many times I've needed to have a white person vouch for me StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #20
Hopefully, the more people understand, the better it may get. Ohioboy Jun 2020 #22
If the protesters were not diverse, it would have been a blood bath, These cops need Demsrule86 Jun 2020 #9
That's the point. The white supremacists have DELIBERATELY infiltrated police departments all over BComplex Jun 2020 #31
What the police think when they see the white shield: LAWYERS! betsuni Jun 2020 #10
When you think you have seen it all, there is more...always more..Add "White Shield" to the story.. Stuart G Jun 2020 #11
I can certainly understand how complex Collimator Jun 2020 #12
Exactly StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #14
It is over the top depressing for me. Blue_true Jun 2020 #16
The problem is the dehumanization of black people, particularly men, by police StarfishSaver Jun 2020 #19
I don't disagree with what you wrote. Like Hillary said, "Laws don't change what is in a person's Blue_true Jun 2020 #27
Some people feel such a void within themselves. . . Collimator Jun 2020 #24
I agree with you. Blue_true Jun 2020 #29
Saw a video clip of some cop Collimator Jun 2020 #34
Whoever took the video should have filed a complaint and showed the video on local Blue_true Jun 2020 #35
No question that man doesn't deserve the badge. Collimator Jun 2020 #36
Wonder twin, white privilege powers, ACTIVATE! spudspud Jun 2020 #21
"both over-the-top depressing and extraordinarily inspiring" Jarqui Jun 2020 #23
Exactly!!! greytdemocrat Jun 2020 #25
Same here, such a graphic example of reality. Tears in my eyes, so poignant. JudyM Jun 2020 #32
The multi-racial composition of these protests make me smile Gothmog Jun 2020 #26
I know! I love that about these protests! It's everyone that is sane, regardless of color! BComplex Jun 2020 #33
Terrific that they're organized, a resistance fighting unit. nt Hortensis Jun 2020 #28
Heard that from the protests in Columbus, too Maeve Jun 2020 #30
Wow is right. Hmm.. ananda Jun 2020 #37

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
4. brilliant idea
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 10:43 PM
Jun 2020

“white shield”. Never would have thought. It’s like we are witnessing civil rights movement in real time being filmed and broadcasted 24/7. White people have learned a lot in the past 2 weeks. I love it when racists reveal themselves online and then get fired. Now it’s time for all those police who did wrong and we have a recording - not only be immediately fired with no pension but prosecuted as well.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
13. Do you understand now, why they didn't want a "community organizer" for president?
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 11:35 PM
Jun 2020

The man was a great teacher.

Thanks, Obama!

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
8. Unfortunately, plenty of people are surprised by this
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 11:06 PM
Jun 2020

Too many people still deny that white privilege exists.

Ohioboy

(3,237 posts)
15. I know white privilege exists
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 11:37 PM
Jun 2020

I just didn't know it could be demonstrated in such a fashion. If the police literally change on the spot just from having a white person step up front, that needs to be studied and exposed.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
17. Did you see the video of the police harassing the young black man in front of his apartment?
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 11:47 PM
Jun 2020

He's picking up trash and a cop rolls up on him demanding ID that proves he lives there. He refuses to do it because he knew his rights. It escalates to the point that the cop threatens to tase him. Then a white guy shows up and says he's with the University, says the young man is a student whose work study job is to pick up trash. And they don't ask for ID or proof he's who he says he is. They just take his word for it.

That happens ALL the time.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
20. I can't count how many times I've needed to have a white person vouch for me
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 11:54 PM
Jun 2020

when some authority figure thought I didn't have a right to be doing whatever I happened to be doing or trying to do at the moment

Ohioboy

(3,237 posts)
22. Hopefully, the more people understand, the better it may get.
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 11:59 PM
Jun 2020

Please consider me an ally. I will speak out and try to understand as much as I can.

Demsrule86

(68,440 posts)
9. If the protesters were not diverse, it would have been a blood bath, These cops need
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 11:10 PM
Jun 2020

to go. Fucking unbelievable.

BComplex

(8,015 posts)
31. That's the point. The white supremacists have DELIBERATELY infiltrated police departments all over
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:42 PM
Jun 2020

the USA; every state, every city, every county sheriff's office...all of them. That is where the cleaning needs to start, and there needs to be a Board of black and brown people in every town that does background checks and interviews before a cop is hired for the next 5 to 10 years.

The police that are already on the job need to be reviewed in this same manner.

Stuart G

(38,403 posts)
11. When you think you have seen it all, there is more...always more..Add "White Shield" to the story..
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 11:19 PM
Jun 2020

I think there will be more, but I know not what that will be..

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
12. I can certainly understand how complex
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 11:24 PM
Jun 2020

a person's feeling could be when confronted with such reality.

The whole "white shield/white savior" thing is incredibly insulting as well as knowing the fact that the police would suffer more serious social disapproval if they hurt white people.

So, while the white people standing before the police may have faced some physical danger, they probably knew on some instinctive level that there were not in as much danger as the average black person in a similar situation.

The behavior of the people forming a line in front of their fellow human beings is wonderful. The social reality of the situation is horrible.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
14. Exactly
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 11:36 PM
Jun 2020

White privilege is real. These white people didn't create it and it's not their fault they benefit from it. But I give them so much credit for recognizing they have it and using it for good.

This is both heartbreaking and heart warming.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
16. It is over the top depressing for me.
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 11:44 PM
Jun 2020

I believe the answer lay in rigorous sensitivity training in the academy and constant monitoring on the job. The problem has a racial component, but there are also other issues at play, one of the cops at George Floyd's murder looked Black, I have seen video with Black cops beating protesters - there is something wrong with how cops view people that are in opposition to them, either a person who demands to know why a stop was done, or a peaceful protester who insists that a public square is just that, a public square that he or she has a right to be in.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
19. The problem is the dehumanization of black people, particularly men, by police
Sat Jun 6, 2020, 11:50 PM
Jun 2020

And sometimes black police officers go right along with it. If this were simply a case of "us against them," police would regularly beat the crap out of white people, too.

You can't train that out of people, at least not in the short term.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
27. I don't disagree with what you wrote. Like Hillary said, "Laws don't change what is in a person's
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:26 AM
Jun 2020

heart". So maybe the core of the solution starts with the type of people that are selected to train to become police officers. Their are police officers that follow the "protect and serve" mantra each day, forces need 100% of that type and not the testosterone splashing assholes that we regularly see today.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
24. Some people feel such a void within themselves. . .
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 02:03 AM
Jun 2020

. . .That they gravitate to the main sort of "power" that our culture understands--power over others. A friend of mine believes that there is a certain psychological type that keeps showing up in police officers. One may not be able to expect perfection, but surely something can be done to screen for certain personality types before handing people a badge and a gun.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
29. I agree with you.
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:33 AM
Jun 2020

I actually believe that I can detect the arrogant police officers by how they ride around in their cars, it's just the posture they take, how they hold the steering wheel. I have seen good police officers work, like one that I saw get out of her cruiser in a violent lightning storm to try to get a handicapped Black man who was out in the open to safe shelter - those cops get overlooked and their work undone by the macho idiots that abuse or kill the public.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
34. Saw a video clip of some cop
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 04:36 PM
Jun 2020

refusing to give one young woman her insulin. She and her friends were very civil and respectful in their tone. They kept saying "Go ahead and inspect the bag, but please give her the insulin", or "If you need to confiscate the bag, we understand, but I need my insulin."

One young woman made the point that her friend's diabetes could kill her and the cop's response was, "I know what diabetes is." I'm not going to exaggerate his tone in an attempt to mock him; he wasn't dripping with sarcasm or anything when he said that. But I get the impression that he was insulted when they tried to explain the seriousness of the young woman's condition to him.

You know what diabetes is, pal? Then why not give her the insulin that she needs? Because you're a cop and the idea of having the power to deny someone their needed medication gives you a little thrill. If you were an honorable person with a real respect for the badge you would feel a sense of responsibility to make certain that she had her medicine. But you got actual satisfaction from denying their pleas.

Aren't you the big, powerful law enforcer? (Now THAT was sarcasm.)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
35. Whoever took the video should have filed a complaint and showed the video on local
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 06:56 PM
Jun 2020

television. That guy sounds like someone who should not have a police badge.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
36. No question that man doesn't deserve the badge.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 08:30 AM
Jun 2020

One can only hope that someone did file a complaint and that it was taken seriously. Over this past week, I have read and seen so much media content on what is happening around the country that I cannot identify the source of the information that I shared.

Jarqui

(10,118 posts)
23. "both over-the-top depressing and extraordinarily inspiring"
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:22 AM
Jun 2020

That captures my reaction.

I'm grateful to those who stepped up to protect but dismayed it was required.

BComplex

(8,015 posts)
33. I know! I love that about these protests! It's everyone that is sane, regardless of color!
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 12:50 PM
Jun 2020

I know there would even be more of us out there if we could be. I sure would!

Maeve

(42,269 posts)
30. Heard that from the protests in Columbus, too
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 11:37 AM
Jun 2020

"White people to the front!" when they were facing off across Broad Street last week.

And no, I did not go down myself--I am a part-time caretaker for my 89-yr old mom and limit my exposure to crowds to protect her. There in spirit only

ananda

(28,827 posts)
37. Wow is right. Hmm..
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 08:48 AM
Jun 2020

We already know the role of agent provacateurs in provoking riots and looting.

That the police are also provacative is a national disgrace,
and that is why policing must change for the better.

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