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ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 03:00 PM Jun 2020

To Answer Bill Barr

Here is the attack description of capsaicin gasses on the body

The European Parliament Scientific and Technological Options Assessment (STOA) published in 1998 "An Appraisal of Technologies of Political Control"[10] with extensive information on pepper spray and tear gas. They write:

The effects of pepper spray are far more severe, including temporary blindness which lasts from 15–30 minutes, a burning sensation of the skin which lasts from 45 to 60 minutes, upper body spasms which force a person to bend forward and uncontrollable coughing making it difficult to breathe or speak for between 3 and 15 minutes.


This is how CS ("tear gas" supposedly) works.

and in turn, make people unable to function, as the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) explains.
Tear gases are considered lachrymator substances, meaning they cause a tearing effect of the eyes, and often times other uncomfortable symptoms. The most common types are Agent CS (chlorobenzylidenemalononitrile) and Agent CN (chloroacetophenone), although there are other compounds considered to be tear gases as well. Often grouped with tear gas is Agent OC (oleoresin capsicum), or pepper spray, or its synthetic form known as PAVA spray, according to the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU).

Agent OC and PAVA work on pain and temperature receptors in your body to incite a pain response, ACLU explains. Even small amounts can penetrate your skin and enter mucus membranes to cause severe and drawn-out pain that may last a half hour. Tear gas chemical compounds, like OC, dissolve and become a painful acidic liquid when they come into contact with water, sweat, or oil on a person’s skin or mucus membranes, the ACLU says. The moisture in the respiratory tract and mucus membranes makes these areas especially sensitive to these agents.


In other words, they both are lachrymatory, they both trigger pain receptors on contact with non-epidermal tissues, they both have the potential for long term effects.

And the immediate dissociation of pepper gasses make them harsher, short term than CS or CN.

Billy, you used a chemical agent on U.S. citizens who were just standing there. And, you idiotic parsing of words proves your stupidity because OC is, in fact, a chemical agent!
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To Answer Bill Barr (Original Post) ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 OP
Kick and recommend. bronxiteforever Jun 2020 #1
Thank you, Professor! SheltieLover Jun 2020 #2
Billy Barr Swerved Into My Lane ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #3
Yes, you do win! SheltieLover Jun 2020 #4
you do great info! Thanks stillcool Jun 2020 #5
Although I Already Knew The Answer... ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #6
K&R ck4829 Jun 2020 #7
Too bad he did not Scarsdale Jun 2020 #8
What, did he think they were throwing nachos at us? relayerbob Jun 2020 #9
Yeah, if it isn't painful and irritating, why are they using it on people in the first place?? Leghorn21 Jun 2020 #15
Attorney Barr then went on to explain bullets aren't projectiles and knives aren't blades. johnthewoodworker Jun 2020 #10
I remember some fux mouthpiece saying waterboarding wasn't so bad. Let's have Barr get gassed erronis Jun 2020 #11
Based Upon These Cites... ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #12
That was all-mouth, all-chickenshit Sean Hannity I think. yonder Jun 2020 #14
K&R gademocrat7 Jun 2020 #13
DAMN! BadGimp Jun 2020 #16
Science! Blecht Jun 2020 #17
Thanks ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #18
Once a scientist, always a scientist! (NT) Blecht Jun 2020 #19

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
3. Billy Barr Swerved Into My Lane
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 03:16 PM
Jun 2020

I want him to stay out of my lane!
He knows nothing. I'm an expert in organic chemistry. I win.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
6. Although I Already Knew The Answer...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 03:36 PM
Jun 2020

...it took me 15 seconds to find those 2 snips.
Both suggest capsaicin gasses are worse than CN/CS, and I wasn't even looking for that.
I was just looking for one cite each that show they all work the same way.
I got bonus info!

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
8. Too bad he did not
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 04:13 PM
Jun 2020

get close enough to get sprayed himself. Hypocrite. Supposed to be religious, yet condones torture for others. Fake Christian. Fits in well with this disaster of an administration.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
15. Yeah, if it isn't painful and irritating, why are they using it on people in the first place??
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:17 PM
Jun 2020

Why not throw nachos, french fries and sugar cookies at protestors ya FKN LYIN SCUMBUCKET

erronis

(15,241 posts)
11. I remember some fux mouthpiece saying waterboarding wasn't so bad. Let's have Barr get gassed
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 04:44 PM
Jun 2020

to prove his point.

Of course the fux mouthpiece declined to test out the waterboard.

And bilious barr will say that these measures aren't for people like his opus-dei elevated self.

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
12. Based Upon These Cites...
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 05:05 PM
Jun 2020

...we need to make sure it's OC. You know, not "tear gas" or a "chemical agent" but worse!

Blecht

(3,803 posts)
17. Science!
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 06:03 PM
Jun 2020

More people should try it!

Great post, nicely sourced.

(Kudos from one physical scientist to another.)

ProfessorGAC

(65,013 posts)
18. Thanks
Sun Jun 7, 2020, 06:13 PM
Jun 2020

I'm retired now, but after graduating at 19, going right to work & grad school for 4 years, then working 38 more I did my piece. Well I did go back at company request to get an MBA they paid for. That was the 90s.
So, does that make me an ex-scientist, or am I a scientist emeritus?
Have a good evening!

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