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Idiot fire-chief fired (Original Post) packman Jun 2020 OP
Good riddance! tulipsandroses Jun 2020 #1
He's white. yuiyoshida Jun 2020 #47
I am always amazed at people who are so proud of being nasty and stupid The Velveteen Ocelot Jun 2020 #2
yep... proud of being nasty MissMillie Jun 2020 #19
ugh. someone printed that stupid shirt. He purchased it. He wore it with a smile. Demovictory9 Jun 2020 #3
He wasn't fired. He was removed from a position on a State commission. Caliman73 Jun 2020 #4
"Performative Penance" stillcool Jun 2020 #12
One of those officers "had a criminal record" .. UpInArms Jun 2020 #50
Wonder if he's still wearing that same smug, stupid expression? Cirque du So-What Jun 2020 #5
:) Looks more clueless to me. What's more common than just Hortensis Jun 2020 #10
What is it with these people? PSPS Jun 2020 #6
Looks to me more like Ted than Al. soldierant Jun 2020 #27
It is absolutely horrifying to know that some people think this way. Laelth Jun 2020 #7
Extreme hubris. Probably raised that way. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #8
Volunteer or not, how apt is he to rush to minority neighborhoods? LakeArenal Jun 2020 #11
We can safely assume there's some prejudice in their work decisions. KY_EnviroGuy Jun 2020 #18
From the article Botany Jun 2020 #9
Has the gall to bring in God Traildogbob Jun 2020 #15
How Could He Not Mean To Offend? ProfessorGAC Jun 2020 #24
Of course. That's what fauxpologies are all about. crickets Jun 2020 #32
"I did not mean [to upset] anyone" Grokenstein Jun 2020 #44
He looks so proud to be so stupid. Hulk Jun 2020 #13
bet it wiped the smirk off his face. barbtries Jun 2020 #14
Hydrogen and stupidity......... lastlib Jun 2020 #16
Old MAD Magazine back cover from the 1960's PCIntern Jun 2020 #17
😆 lol griloco Jun 2020 #21
His name is Martin Hess?!!? Not too surprising then. kas125 Jun 2020 #20
... Major Nikon Jun 2020 #22
+1 geardaddy Jun 2020 #35
SHEAR STUPIDITY! louzke9 Jun 2020 #23
Charming Cletus. Just charming. Now go to the unemployment line asshole. Evolve Dammit Jun 2020 #25
So then... we'll see him as a new FOX commentator? Talitha Jun 2020 #26
How disgusting! mwb970 Jun 2020 #28
Some good news. Ferrets are Cool Jun 2020 #29
I think we should encourage all racists to wear t-shirts William Seger Jun 2020 #30
Trump told them it's cool to be a racist now. lunatica Jun 2020 #31
Good riddance to another right-wing nut job. n/t PatrickforO Jun 2020 #33
Good riddance to this piece of trash. nt Sloumeau Jun 2020 #34
Emboldened by the virus in the WH no doubt. MontanaMama Jun 2020 #36
Another deplorable. Hassler Jun 2020 #37
JHC.. The STUPID BURNS! Cha Jun 2020 #38
So much for the sincerity of those who mouth: Collimator Jun 2020 #39
Yeah, I wonder how well this went over with the friends, families & fellow social warriors, not The_REAL_Ecumenist Jun 2020 #40
The definintion of a deplorable LiberalLovinLug Jun 2020 #41
It couldn't have happened to a bigger asshole! BigDemVoter Jun 2020 #42
K&R Niagara Jun 2020 #43
Good riddance to the asshole Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2020 #45
I'm guessing it was an unpaid position. 3Hotdogs Jun 2020 #46
Proof that no amount of emergency response training..... jaxexpat Jun 2020 #48
Firefighters has a vetting problem just like the police Dukkha Jun 2020 #49

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
2. I am always amazed at people who are so proud of being nasty and stupid
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:33 AM
Jun 2020

that they advertise it on t-shirts or social media. But at least we can easily identify them.

MissMillie

(38,553 posts)
19. yep... proud of being nasty
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 12:44 PM
Jun 2020

and you're right about being able to identify them.

I worry much more about those who somehow don't show up on the radar.

Demovictory9

(32,449 posts)
3. ugh. someone printed that stupid shirt. He purchased it. He wore it with a smile.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:34 AM
Jun 2020

along that timeline...there was time to reconsider

Caliman73

(11,736 posts)
4. He wasn't fired. He was removed from a position on a State commission.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:34 AM
Jun 2020

It is good that he was removed, but he is still the chief of the volunteer fire fighters. His apology was the typical lame ass non-apology. "I didn't mean to offend anyone"? Well what do you think your stupid little t-shirt was communicating?

Protest on the sidewalk only, and quietly so as not to inconvenience anyone? And, "All lives matter"? Why don't you go for the trifecta and talk about how Floyd had a criminal record or "why aren't we talking about Black on Black crime?"

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
12. "Performative Penance"
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 12:12 PM
Jun 2020

I didn't know this description of the non-apology-apology, but saw it the other day.

UpInArms

(51,282 posts)
50. One of those officers "had a criminal record" ..
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 08:36 AM
Jun 2020

Why is that not a part of the discussion?

One of the officers charged in George Floyd's killing was hired despite having a criminal record and slew of traffic violations

State court records show that from 2001 to 2018, he also racked up more than a dozen criminal charges and traffic citations. They show that he was convicted of seven total charges.

While the online court database doesn’t include the incident reports behind the criminal complaints, it does indicate the nature of the charges and their results.

Four of the charges were related to traffic violations, including speeding and obstructing traffic. Two were parking-metre violations.

In several instances, Lane also faced criminal charges.

In October 2001, when Lane was 18, he was charged with two counts of obstructing legal process, damaging property, unlawful assembly, and disorderly conduct. He was convicted of one count of obstructing legal process and one charge of damaging property.

Almost six years later, in March 2007, Lane faced misdemeanour charges of hosting a noisy party or gathering and disorderly conduct. He was found guilty of the noisy-gathering charge.

In Lane’s application to be a police cadet, sections that included his criminal and traffic history, as well as whether he had been fired from any jobs, were redacted.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
10. :) Looks more clueless to me. What's more common than just
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 12:00 PM
Jun 2020

going with the rest of the crowd and not thinking things through? Hell, even not thinking at all if no one else seems to feel it's needed? Especially in small towns where chatting about the news always includes wondering what's wrong with all those people "out there."

This reminds me that too-strong RWers were called reactionaries long before science discovered conservative brains sent new information for emotional reaction first, before sending it on for cognitive evaluation. Should they still be inclined.

PSPS

(13,593 posts)
6. What is it with these people?
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:37 AM
Jun 2020

He obviously thinks it's "funny" and I guess it is in an adolescent way. But he's an adult. Why do these adults get stuck in their adolescence like this? Are they adopting their values from media stereotypes like Al Bundy? (As you can tell by my dated reference, I've given up watching any television programs a long time ago when it all became the same as ... well, Al Bundy!)

Laelth

(32,017 posts)
7. It is absolutely horrifying to know that some people think this way.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:39 AM
Jun 2020

Regrettably, one of them lives right next to me here in rural Texas.

-Laelth

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
8. Extreme hubris. Probably raised that way.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:52 AM
Jun 2020

People aren't usually this smug about being an asshole unless it's ingrained from their youth:

Quote:

"Due to my post I have upset a lot of people and I am sorry for that by all means I did not mean [to upset] anyone," Hess wrote. "A peaceful protest is fine as long as no one gets hurt we need to remember that all lives matter we are all the same color in god's eyes so I guess all I can do is say I am sorry and did not mean any disrespect to anyone or any group."


Without knowing the conditions of his position on that commission, I'm not convinced this is much of a smackdown. For a volunteer fire chief, sometimes those aren't much more than honorary, perhaps with a stipend and expenses paid for meetings.

KY.......

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
18. We can safely assume there's some prejudice in their work decisions.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 12:39 PM
Jun 2020

Regardless, that's against the fireman's creed and he should be removed from the service. Unfortunately, none of these disciplinary actions will remove the core racism and in fact probably just hardens them.

Check out how the demographics have changed in just 10 years (from Wikipedia on Gilmer County, WV):

2000 census
As of the census of 2000, there were 7,160 people, 2,768 households, and 1,862 families living in the county. The population density was 21 people per square mile. There were 3,621 housing units at an average density of 11 per square mile. The racial makeup of the county was 97.33% White, 0.91% Black or African American, 0.20% Native American, 0.57% Asian.... 0.70% of the population were Hispanic or Latino.

As of the 2010 United States Census, there were 8,693 people, 2,753 households, and 1,806 families living in the county. The population density was 25.7 inhabitants per square mile. There were 3,448 housing units at an average density of 10.2 per square mile. The racial makeup of the county was 82.5% white, 12.3% black or African American, 0.5% American Indian, 0.4% Asian, 0.1% Pacific islander, 2.4% from other races, and 1.7% from two or more races. Those of Hispanic or Latino origin made up 5.7% of the population.

So, in ten years it goes from under 3% non-white to over 17% non-white.

No excuse for it but that may explain much of the resentment. Likely overheard: "Them blacks and feriners are moving in to take us over".

There's an interesting read on this event here: https://www.weirtondailytimes.com/news/local-news/2020/06/photo-leads-to-removal/

(note the comments below that article)

KY........

Botany

(70,501 posts)
9. From the article
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:58 AM
Jun 2020

Governor Jim Justice confirmed that he has removed Martin Hess from the West Virginia State Fire Commission after he became aware of multiple social media posts on his profile.

One such post includes an image of a blood splattered truck with the caption "Just drove through Minneapolis, didn't see any protesters," reported WOWK.

snip

Hess later issued an apology on his Facebook page.

"Due to my post I have upset a lot of people and I am sorry for that by all means I did not mean [to upset] anyone," Hess wrote. "A peaceful protest is fine as long as no one gets hurt we need to remember that all lives matter we are all the same color in god's eyes so I guess all I can do is say I am sorry and did not mean any disrespect to anyone or any group."

Traildogbob

(8,724 posts)
15. Has the gall to bring in God
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 12:26 PM
Jun 2020

In his lawyer written apology. About as meaningful as a trump apology......,wait.....what? Never gave any? What church does he attend that laughes at splattering anyone in a homicidal drive through? More God Blessin MurKKKa. Jesus Fuckin Christ!

ProfessorGAC

(65,006 posts)
24. How Could He Not Mean To Offend?
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 01:10 PM
Jun 2020

Given the message on those shirts, one would only wear them to offend.
He knew what he was doing.

crickets

(25,963 posts)
32. Of course. That's what fauxpologies are all about.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 01:41 PM
Jun 2020

Use the word 'if' right after 'sorry' [in this case he managed to avoid it; I credit his lawyers] and immediately pivot to talk about the feelings of the person/s wronged rather than take responsibility for the action that made the apology necessary. This guy doubles down by almost blaming protestors for the shirt being made, as though it was really a necessary public service message after all, dontcha know. Make 'we are all in this together' noises, nice touch to mention god at the very end. There! Fauxpology accomplished.

I have to say the verbiage on this one is not as egregious as some, but still. Ugh.

Grokenstein

(5,722 posts)
44. "I did not mean [to upset] anyone"
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 09:42 PM
Jun 2020

Like fun he didn't.
The shitweasel even throws in a dash of ALL LIVES MATTER because he can't help himself.

 

Hulk

(6,699 posts)
13. He looks so proud to be so stupid.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 12:14 PM
Jun 2020

What a complete dumb ass. And he was the "Fire Chief"? Wow....doesn't say much for their fire department. Just sad that these dumb assholes can see this as "funny". Some "greg gutfield"/"dennis miller""jesse waters" humor. These fuckers are sick.

barbtries

(28,788 posts)
14. bet it wiped the smirk off his face.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 12:20 PM
Jun 2020

i'm encouraged that he was fired. Racists should not be in public service jobs.

louzke9

(296 posts)
23. SHEAR STUPIDITY!
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 12:59 PM
Jun 2020

Yes protestors should not block traffic. HOWEVER, you let the police handle this. You don't take the law into your own hands by running people down with your car.

William Seger

(10,778 posts)
30. I think we should encourage all racists to wear t-shirts
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 01:33 PM
Jun 2020

... if not MAGA caps -- no guesswork required when they self-identify.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
31. Trump told them it's cool to be a racist now.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 01:36 PM
Jun 2020

Let’s hope they didn’t burn all their bridges when they came out from under the rock, so they can find their way back.

MontanaMama

(23,310 posts)
36. Emboldened by the virus in the WH no doubt.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 02:19 PM
Jun 2020

These people won’t change. The best we can do is outnumber them and make sure they know this crap isn’t acceptable. It must not be rewarded.

The_REAL_Ecumenist

(719 posts)
40. Yeah, I wonder how well this went over with the friends, families & fellow social warriors, not
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 07:37 PM
Jun 2020

to mention most of good people of Charlottesville Va, the US & the WORLD when we remember ALL those good & decent folks who've literally DIED after being run over by troglodytes driving vehicles, powered by stupidity & hatred, beginning with HEATHER HEYER, ,who was mown down by a black Charger used as a murder weapon by jimmie fields jr?

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
41. The definintion of a deplorable
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 08:33 PM
Jun 2020

Noticed the hair do of the female bouncing off the hood. Isn't that a popular hair style of many African American women?

jaxexpat

(6,820 posts)
48. Proof that no amount of emergency response training.....
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 06:11 AM
Jun 2020

will necessarily get your own head out of your own a--.

One hour seminar on public speaking for dummies and he thinks he's empowered, cutting edge, in sync, with hands on the pulse, keeper of the cool, etc.

Jobless maybe? Yeah, jobless. Wham, reality just made a clean hit.

Dukkha

(7,341 posts)
49. Firefighters has a vetting problem just like the police
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 08:27 AM
Jun 2020

The profession seems to attract a lot of uneducated right wing thugs mooching off taxpayers.

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