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Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:15 PM Jun 2020

Helluva headline day for Biden.

Frankly, as much as many activists probably don't want to hear it, having Biden say he doesn't support defunding the police is probably the best optics at the moment of either candidate. I think there's merit to the message of reallocating funds - but if you're having to explain that defunding the police doesn't mean abolishing the police, the slogan isn't a seller.

But I think there's merit there.

The good news is that Biden has walked this line really favorable and it's going to be difficult for the Trump campaign to get him mixed up in it.

But Biden can still advance a pretty proactive police reform agenda without getting bogged down in trying to defend the semantics.



I do like the idea of settling in on de-militarize the police.

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Helluva headline day for Biden. (Original Post) Drunken Irishman Jun 2020 OP
Jill will explain it to him. OAITW r.2.0 Jun 2020 #1
+1 Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2020 #12
Well stated! SheltieLover Jun 2020 #13
I Agree DarthDem Jun 2020 #2
& as someone posted.. BLOTUS is "defunding the police" by Not Cha Jun 2020 #3
Someone should make an ad! SheltieLover Jun 2020 #14
Great point! nt crickets Jun 2020 #16
Yup. I was confident he'd handle it soothsayer Jun 2020 #4
Indeed. A clear and concise response. BannonsLiver Jun 2020 #5
Indeed +. It's impressive & quite reassuring. Budi Jun 2020 #9
Biden comes off as the reasonable moderate here between Trump and the Left. OrlandoDem2 Jun 2020 #6
Joe won't let Trump own simple phrases. OAITW r.2.0 Jun 2020 #17
Biden has the assist of The Congressional Black Caucus Budi Jun 2020 #7
I'm glad Biden is making this distinction, not that it will matter to his opponents. There's a.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2020 #8
I like this one Gothmog Jun 2020 #10
This is so misnamed. It's reimagining or reengineering Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2020 #11
Here's the crazy thing. Joe is the caretaker. Watch who he picks as VP. OAITW r.2.0 Jun 2020 #15
The whole trouble will be with murielm99 Jun 2020 #18
There are remedies.....nt OAITW r.2.0 Jun 2020 #19
If we take the Senate, much will be riding on Clarence Thomas DFW Jun 2020 #20
De-militarize the police is good, as is reform the police,... brush Jun 2020 #21
Demilitarizing the police, weeding out the racists and bigots, brer cat Jun 2020 #22

OAITW r.2.0

(31,731 posts)
1. Jill will explain it to him.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:20 PM
Jun 2020

He's my President now and I await normalcy in our Executive Branch. And a minority Republican Party in the Senate. And a whole new perspective of organized crime in the DOJ. Every Republican judicial appointment must be reviewed to see if Kompromat is in play. If so, gotta resign,

DarthDem

(5,449 posts)
2. I Agree
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:22 PM
Jun 2020

He's handled this - and pretty much everything else - very, very well. Frankly his campaign is doing a masterful job.

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
4. Yup. I was confident he'd handle it
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:24 PM
Jun 2020

Wasn’t his gaffe (not that it’s a gaffe, just clumsy).

And I still think it’s useful in that it’s creating all this dialogue.

Maybe we can stop fretting over the phrase now.

OrlandoDem2

(3,210 posts)
6. Biden comes off as the reasonable moderate here between Trump and the Left.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:27 PM
Jun 2020

All he has to do is say he is against defunding the police.

Trump is an extremist on one side and there are those who call for “defunding the police” on the other. Nevermind the nuance of the phrase which most don’t understand.

 

Budi

(15,325 posts)
7. Biden has the assist of The Congressional Black Caucus
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:31 PM
Jun 2020

They are already on it & they are leading the way to reform.
Those who say Defund the Police without saynig what they'll replace it with is foolish.

Biden & his CBC will define it for us.
He will allow them to set the base standard of this sorely needed policy reform.

I trust our Democrats on this one.



https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13564486

Tarheel_Dem

(31,454 posts)
8. I'm glad Biden is making this distinction, not that it will matter to his opponents. There's a....
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:31 PM
Jun 2020

reason why Biden has demonstrated an ability to attract voters of many stripes, it's because he's not viewed as extreme. And let's face it, Biden's foes aren't going to take the time to distinguish between "defund the police" and "abolish the police".

 

Laura PourMeADrink

(42,770 posts)
11. This is so misnamed. It's reimagining or reengineering
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:38 PM
Jun 2020

That Biden or his campaign doesn't realize that is scary. If so, he definitely needs new campaign blood.

OAITW r.2.0

(31,731 posts)
15. Here's the crazy thing. Joe is the caretaker. Watch who he picks as VP.
Mon Jun 8, 2020, 11:58 PM
Jun 2020

That will be the Insider for Democratic President in 2024.

The point is, under Biden, a Democratic House and Senate are going to pass mind blowing legislation.

DEA and CPB are going to flatline.

DOJ is going to go after Organized Crime. Interior is going after BS exploitation contracts. There's going to be a shitload of new transparency. A factory of DOJ lawyers will need to be established.

Oh, and fix the voting problem....every vote counts.

murielm99

(32,820 posts)
18. The whole trouble will be with
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 12:50 AM
Jun 2020

the Supreme Court. A lot of that mind blowing legislation will be sent to the SC, time after time. I hope it can survive this politicized branch of government.

DFW

(59,877 posts)
20. If we take the Senate, much will be riding on Clarence Thomas
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 01:15 AM
Jun 2020

RBG will retire and be replaced by a Justice of (hopefully!!) equal views and stature. Breyer might decide to go the same route. But that will only continue the status quo. To flip the ideological tilt of the Court to the left, at least ONE of the right wing Justices must depart and make way for a more decent replacement.

Roberts, Alito, Gorsuch and Kavanaugh aren't going anywhere, and only Roberts has shown the slightest bit of flexibility in the face of rigid right wing ideology. In the face of a more liberal majority, this tendency will either be encouraged or (just as possible) nudge him back into his right-wing comfort zone. Clarence Thomas has been around a long while. I have no idea how his health is, but maybe he will some day decide to step down. Of course, he will do so knowing perfectly well that his departure will alter the court's balance, so he may decide to follow RBG's example and hold on by sheer will power. Or he could do so in the next few months, thereby eliminating Biden's chances of replacing him. In that case, McTurtle will shamelessly immediately confirm whoever "Trump (more likely, Leonard Leo)" nominates, tossing his grudge argument on Merrick Garland out the window for political expediency.

Always beware of Opus Dei. Alito and Thomas are members. If Roberts is or not, I couldn't find a definitive reference, but check them out: scary stuff! These are NOT nice people.

http://churchandstate.org.uk/2019/03/opus-deis-influence-on-the-u-s-judiciary/

 

brush

(61,033 posts)
21. De-militarize the police is good, as is reform the police,...
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 01:49 AM
Jun 2020

or police the police. Defund the police most certainly plays into the hands of trump and the repugs—gives them too much ammo for ads.

brer cat

(27,444 posts)
22. Demilitarizing the police, weeding out the racists and bigots,
Tue Jun 9, 2020, 06:39 AM
Jun 2020

putting more funding into the community, etc. are all good steps. Defunding the police is a terrible slogan, easy to turn against us, and I'm glad Biden is moving away from it.

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